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2009-08-11 3:03 PM

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I did my first super sprint tri last weekend, joints are feeling good, so I signed up for a small local 5K this weekend.  This will be my first running race.  I just want the experience and to have an idea of what my race pace is.

I did around a 9 min. mile at the tri and have done relatively easy-paced training runs around 9:45-10 min. pace so I guess I'm shooting for sub 28 min?

Can anyone provide tips on how I should run the race and at what paces in order to negative split?  I don't really know what I'm doing.  Thanks for your help!


2009-08-11 3:09 PM
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Why not try for a 9 minute mile as you know you can do that. If you are still feeling good the last mile... speed it up some and haul butt the last mile.

The key and the hardest thing to do is to keep YOUR PACE for the first mile. Everyone gets so hyped up and sprints off the starting line, it's easy to get caught up in the madness.

Good luck!
2009-08-11 3:10 PM
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Wish I could help...I'm a 5K runner getting ready for her first sprint and am wondering what my tri 5K pace will be with legs that are tired from the bike. Laughing
2009-08-11 3:12 PM
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PinkPrincess - 2009-08-11 3:10 PM

Wish I could help...I'm a 5K runner getting ready for her first sprint and am wondering what my tri 5K pace will be with legs that are tired from the bike. Laughing


Have you done any ride to run bricks in your training? This will give you a good sense of what your pace will be. Although for the first .50 you have to just make your legs do what you know they can do.

I know for me, over the years, I have become faster running off the bike vs. just running a stand alone. Off the bike my legs are warmed up and ready to go.

2009-08-11 3:14 PM
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If you're hurting at one mile, you've gone out to fast....you want to the feel like your dieing at about mile 1.5 - 1.75 otherwise you're in for a world of hurt. Just hang on for dear life....its all about how much pain you can withstand. Its a great distance :-)
2009-08-11 3:19 PM
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PinkPrincess - 2009-08-11 3:10 PM Wish I could help...I'm a 5K runner getting ready for her first sprint and am wondering what my tri 5K pace will be with legs that are tired from the bike. Laughing
Have you done any ride to run bricks in your training? This will give you a good sense of what your pace will be. Although for the first .50 you have to just make your legs do what you know they can do. I know for me, over the years, I have become faster running off the bike vs. just running a stand alone. Off the bike my legs are warmed up and ready to go.


In the plans, chief.  I'm going to do a 10 mile bike/2 mile run tomorrow to see how it feels.



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2009-08-11 3:21 PM
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kind of OT, but advice for the OP, if I may

Get in a decent warm up before the race.  One of my best 5Ks was when I ran 5 mi to the starting line !  You don't need that long of a warm up, but an easy 20-30 min job will warm you up and get the blood flowing.

My guess is that you'll go sub 27
2009-08-11 3:32 PM
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trishie - 2009-08-11 4:21 PM kind of OT, but advice for the OP, if I may

Get in a decent warm up before the race.  One of my best 5Ks was when I ran 5 mi to the starting line !  You don't need that long of a warm up, but an easy 20-30 min job will warm you up and get the blood flowing.

My guess is that you'll go sub 27


x2 -- I ran a 5k and a 10k a month apart from each other.  I didn't properly warm up for the 5k.  I did for the 10k.  Notwithstanding the fact that the 10k is twice as long as the 5k, my pace for the 10k was 10 seconds/mile faster than my 5k pace. 
2009-08-11 3:39 PM
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Just a little advice. If it is a large run, get pretty close to the front of the pack. It always seems like race organizers tell you if you can't run a sub 7 min mile, then you should be at the back. I took that advice for my first 5K. Mile 2 and 3 were about 9 min/mi, but mile 1 was something like 13 min b/c I was nearly walking.

Also, getting around that many people, tends to tire you out a little more. Just my 2c. 
2009-08-11 4:56 PM
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running2far - 2009-08-11 3:14 PM If you're hurting at one mile, you've gone out to fast....you want to the feel like your dieing at about mile 1.5 - 1.75 otherwise you're in for a world of hurt. Just hang on for dear life....its all about how much pain you can withstand. Its a great distance :-)


I've always hated 5k races because they hurt from the first quarter mile.  Urrrgh.


2009-08-11 5:08 PM
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scottyr7 - 2009-08-11 3:39 PM Just a little advice. If it is a large run, get pretty close to the front of the pack. It always seems like race organizers tell you if you can't run a sub 7 min mile, then you should be at the back. I took that advice for my first 5K. Mile 2 and 3 were about 9 min/mi, but mile 1 was something like 13 min b/c I was nearly walking.

Also, getting around that many people, tends to tire you out a little more. Just my 2c. 

No, the race organizers understand what is going on.  The people who should be starting at the front of the pack are the ones running 5-6 minute miles, maybe 7 min/miles in small races.  If you run 9 minute miles, you're in the way of all those people who run 6, 7, and 8 minute miles when you start at the front.  It isn't fun for you and it isn't fun for them.  Doesn't mean you MUST start at the back with the 17 min/milers, but ask the people around you and keep moving forward/back until you start hearing some reasonable-to-your-expectations times.  We had a race with 4000 people and big, BIG, B-I-G pace banners and yet 100 yards into the race people who started at the front were walking, forcing 3700 other people to go around them. 

2009-08-11 5:13 PM
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It's your first 5K so play with it a bit. If you were at 9:00 pace for the tri, go out at 8:30 in the first mile of the 5K. Evaluate how you feel and either pick it up or slow it down from there. Do make sure to get at least 5 minutes of easy warmup not more than 15 minutes prior to the start. If you've trained with doing striders then do a few during your warmup, otherwise just take it easy to loosen up the muscles and get the HR elevated just a bit.

Have fun!
2009-08-11 5:15 PM
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If you're already running 9 or even 9:30 during a tri or training, you're probably capable of <9.  If your goal is to negative split the run, walk the first mile and VOILA! Instant negative split.  If your goal is to finish the race as fast as possible, go with something a little slower (5-10 seconds per mile maybe) than your "hard" efforts for the first mile (not to difficult if you seed yourself correctly) and pick it up as the traffic clears.  If you're worried your heart is going to burst out of your chest and you'll puke during the whole last mile, you're probably going about the right pace for a 5K. 

2009-08-11 5:16 PM
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I have heard various 5K race strategys and generally break down to either go out fast on the first mile and then try to hang on and take the pain, OR try to run an even pace and speed up at the end.  I prefer the later -- I have accidentally done the first where I start way too fast, and then from the half way point to the end is miserable.  I don't recommend this unless you are mentally prepared for the pain. 

So basically, my advice is try to not start too fast, but chances are you will run the first mile faster than you expect.  I don't recommend lining up near the front of the pack because its easy to get caught up in the excitement and start too fast.  Sounds like you can do a 9 min/mile pace or even a little faster.  I would say have a range for each mile, like from 8:45 to 9:15, which will accomodate any tough hills on the course, and then that last half mile just give it everything you got.  Have fun and let us know how it goes!

2009-08-11 9:45 PM
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running2far - 2009-08-11 3:14 PM If you're hurting at one mile, you've gone out to fast....you want to the feel like your dieing at about mile 1.5 - 1.75 otherwise you're in for a world of hurt. Just hang on for dear life....its all about how much pain you can withstand. Its a great distance :-)


I've always hated 5k races because they hurt from the first quarter mile. Urrrgh.


Same here. It's my least favorite distance by far.


2009-08-12 4:16 AM
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A 5k is usually very intense, so being warmed up before the start will help tremendously. Just make sure you give yourself enough time after the warm up to relax and hydrate a bit... maybe even filling up the energy reserves with a fruit or some energy bar (gels are usually too fast).

Since you know you can run a 9min pace, that's a good start. Aim for 9min/mile for the first two and then increase the speed slightly to finish strong.
2009-08-12 6:11 AM
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My standalone 5K time is, so far, not much quicker than the 5K leg of my tris -- quicker, but not 30s/mile quicker.  From what I've read, I believe this situation is fairly normal if your bike fitness is good.

Also bear in mind that the '5K' leg of some tris is anything but 5K.  I've done a few that were no way 5K -- more like 3 miles if that.  So be wary of judging your 5K time based on what you did in a tri, unless you're confident that the distance was correct.

If I knew I was going all out for my tris and knew I was going 9:00/mile, I'd probably go out around 8:45/mile in a standalone 5K, and try to hang on.

And yes, please seed yourself appropriately.  It makes the race better for everyone, yourself included.
2009-08-12 6:24 AM
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During a 5k run, don't they have chips that start your time when you go across the starting point or does the clock start when they tell the pack to go? 

2009-08-12 6:36 AM
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Pector55 - 2009-08-12 7:24 AM During a 5k run, don't they have chips that start your time when you go across the starting point or does the clock start when they tell the pack to go? 



In the races around here (which are pretty small), yes, your chip starts your time.  (And yes, this fact makes it even sillier for people not running AT LEAST <7min/mile to start at the very front.  Even in our small local races, the 'front line' is running well below 6min/mile.)
2009-08-12 6:38 AM
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Practice.... unless you practice negative spliting it is hard to do.  Also, given this is your first race don't get so hung up on times and methods, pick a goal and train so you can nail the pace.  Tons of plans to follow.


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Thanks all for your input. It's this Saturday so I don't really have time to "train" per se.  My goal is just to get through it at a pace that feels good and is relatively speedy (for me) and book it home in the end.  I def. do not plan to start in the front.  It'll be a small race so I'll shoot for somewhere in the middle and it will probably thin out pretty quickly.

I think I'm going to try to start out around a 9 min. pace and go from there.  I'll warm up beforehand.

Thanks for your help!  I'm looking forward to it.


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When I do a 5k in a tri, I am generally about 10% slower than a 5k race (and I have read others here that generally have the 10% slower).   Based on that formula, you might be able to run around 8:15/m for a standalone 5k if you push yourself.  90 seconds faster than your easy pace would probably be right around your threshold right now. 
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Already back at it?  Here's my two cents, my very impressive friend. 

(1) I don't know which race you are doing, but most 5Ks are what I call cattle chute starts.  Everyone gets packed in the starting area, the gun goes off, and away the mass of humanity goes.  I've seen you in action; don't be afraid to manuever yourself to the front of the chute.  In my first race this year, I was behind lots of folks because of my late arrival.  I ended up dodging jogging strollers.  You'll be timed on your chip, but if you spend the first half mile like you are on the beltway zooming in out of traffic, you'll get less out of the experience.

(2) In one of my races this year, I was standing in the chute making small talk with a guy who told me he was going to run about the time I wanted to run.  I paced off him for the first mile and a half.  Make a friend or two of people who look relatively experienced and you may find someone who will help you set your pace.  That's assuming you aren't wanting to go out on your own.

(3) I'll be very impressed with you if you can set yourself up to run a negative split.  I've had real trouble controlling my pace this year.  I just want to run hard from 'go'.  With lots of people running around you, that kind of control is challenging without slowing yourself down too much.  I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you.

Props to you for jumping right back in.  Sounds like you are pretty hooked.

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Lots of good advice here, especially about warming up and controlling the urge to go out too fast at the start.  My typical pace for training was pretty close to yours when I did a 5K earlier this year, so I will tell you what happened to me.  First, I consumed a large can of Red Bull.  Then, I ran the 1-mile fun run associated with the event at a really easy pace as my warm up.  Finished this about 5 minutes before the start of the 5K.  Did a little jumping around and some short sprints to keep the circulation going strong to my leg muscles.  The purpose of this is to tell your body to start sending more blood to your leg muscles, especially your quads, the biggest muscles in your body.  That way, your muscles have a rich blood supply to carry away the lactic acid and feed them oxygen starting right away.  I lined up about the second or third row back since there were only about 200 runners in this race.  I had to fight the urge to sprint when the gun sounded because everyone usually just takes off for the first 1/4 to 1/2 mile.  I let those people go and just kept a strong pace more or less playing it by ear to go with the flow.  By the end of the first mile, the field was spread out and I was able to concentrate on my own posture, cadence, and pace.  I kept picking out people ahead that looked just a tad slower to catch.  For the last 1/4 mile, I just kicked it as hard as I could with my heart jumping out of my chest crossing the line pale as a ghost, according to my wife.  Thought I was gonna' puke, but didn't.  My goal time was 26 minutes even.  I looked at my watch to see 24:30.  It was good for 3rd place in my 50-54 AG.  You can do this.

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