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2005-10-27 8:26 AM

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Hooray, I guess, although the Jon Stewart in me is a little disappointed that we won't see the mockery that would have been her confirmation hearings.


2005-10-27 8:43 AM
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/27/D8DGDFR00.html

I am reminded why I have zero desire to be involved in politics...

Speaking of John Stewart, did you see the bit about Mike Brown and his emails with the dude in the Superdome? I was in tears.

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2005-10-27 8:50 AM
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What an embarassment it would have been to have her serve on the highest court in our land.
2005-10-27 9:47 AM
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So now the sacrificial lamb has been slaughtered.

Can't help but think that this was premeditated.  Difuses criticism from the left, and helps mid-term elections for the right by letting them distance themselves from the POTUS and his sagging polls.

Now it's time to roll out who the POTUS planned all along.
2005-10-27 9:50 AM
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dontracy - 2005-10-27 9:47 AM
Now it's time to roll out who the POTUS planned all along.


I kinda think it's gonna be Jon Stewart. Actually, I think he may nominate himself.
2005-10-27 9:54 AM
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Inside scoop.

The next nominee will be Hilda Mavers. She has been the presidents loyal gardiner for 17 years. She believes in strict application of lawn fertilizer and will not aerate from a bench. Insert "hoe" joke here ().


2005-10-27 10:17 AM
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dontracy - 2005-10-27 9:47 AM So now the sacrificial lamb has been slaughtered.

Can't help but think that this was premeditated.  Difuses criticism from the left, and helps mid-term elections for the right by letting them distance themselves from the POTUS and his sagging polls.

Now it's time to roll out who the POTUS planned all along.

Gee, Don, do you really think President Rove Bush is that cynical or masterful of a chess player? I think he was just shocked that he didn't have as much political capital as he was crowing about post-election.

Or maybe they recently discovered that Harriet was born Harry...

2005-10-27 10:28 AM
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Renee - Gee, Don, do you really think President Rove Bush is that cynical or masterful of a chess player?


It just didn't make sense to me, given the high quality of the Robert's nomination.

I think, by definition, anyone who becomes the POTUS is a masterful chess player.  I imagine if he's read anything at all it's Machiavelli.

2005-10-27 10:35 AM
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dontracy - 2005-10-27 10:28 AM

I think, by definition, anyone who becomes the POTUS is a masterful chess player.

Or their handlers are.

2005-10-27 10:38 AM
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Renee - Or their handlers are.


Right.

Can't remember if I read this in The Prince, or The Art of War:

Don't underestimate your enemies.


2005-10-27 10:43 AM
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Both I would imagine... but Machiavelli would take 5 pages to say it.

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2005-10-27 11:16 AM
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dontracy - 2005-10-27 10:47 AM So now the sacrificial lamb has been slaughtered.

Can't help but think that this was premeditated.  Difuses criticism from the left, and helps mid-term elections for the right by letting them distance themselves from the POTUS and his sagging polls.

Now it's time to roll out who the POTUS planned all along.

If this was the case, it was a very dangerous gamble. The confirmation of Michael Brown's imcompetence is right now being very publicly staged. The main, and arguably only, qualification both he and Harriet supposedly hold is abject loyalty to the administration.

Putting forward another obviously unqualified person for an even more important appointment while Congress is in the process of determining the cost in American lives, money and international standing of the last unqualified appointee seems designed to alienate and anger supporters in both Congress and the constituency.

The mantra has always been to never appear weak, at all costs. Literally, at all costs. Her withdrawal made the administration seem weaker than it's appeared in all previous dealings with Congress and the far right. There was a plan here, but something did not go according to plan. I'd love to hear Rove's first thoughts on her nomination.

Also, I'm not sure how much Congressional Republicans can distance themselves from the administration at this point. They've spent 6 years portraying themselves as being in lockstep. I'm going to be very interested in that aspect of the campaigns.

2005-10-27 11:16 AM
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dontracy - 2005-10-27 10:28 AM . I imagine if he's read anything at all it's Machiavelli.



I imagine if he's read anything at all it's Archie & Jughead.
2005-10-27 11:49 AM
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Of course, Miers was never a serious nominee. She gets her 15 minutes of press time and the POTUS gets to have the other party go on record as opposing a woman nominee. Now that the totally unqualified nominee is out, anyone else looks good, right?King's Gambit?
2005-10-27 11:50 AM
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Gatsby - 2005-10-27 11:49 AMOf course, Miers was never a serious nominee. She gets her 15 minutes of press time and the POTUS gets to have the other party go on record as opposing a woman nominee. Now that the totally unqualified nominee is out, anyone else looks good, right?King's Gambit?


Yeah...except both parties opposed the female nominee.
2005-10-27 11:52 AM
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marmadaddy -

If this was the case, it was a very dangerous gamble.



True. Even though this has played out the way I imagined it might when she was first nominated, it does seem a little incredible that they would take that kind of risk. (I try not to confuse my imagination with the realities of the world.)

It's fascinating, though.

Now you have Senator Kennedy, and others, criticising the POTUS for caving in to the right. Meaning what? Does Senator Kennedy think that Miers should have been confirmed? No. So then caving in to the right was a good thing, right? Well, apparently not.

So what's the message and spin from the left going to be on this? Will it be that the POTUS is simply a jughead? Maybe. But what do they do if he nominates someone in the mold of Roberts? That was not a nomination by a jughead.

This is going to be really interesting.


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2005-10-27 12:00 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-10-27 10:50 AM
Gatsby - 2005-10-27 11:49 AMOf course, Miers was never a serious nominee. She gets her 15 minutes of press time and the POTUS gets to have the other party go on record as opposing a woman nominee. Now that the totally unqualified nominee is out, anyone else looks good, right?King's Gambit?


Yeah...except both parties opposed the female nominee.
Good point.That's what makes me think this whole thing was a set up in the first place. I don't think Bush was serious when he nominated her. It's politics for crying out loud. Who knows what his motivation was for nominating her.I still think he was greasing the skids for someone else who may not appear very qualified after Roberts, but appears immensely qualified after Miers.
2005-10-27 12:16 PM
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Gatsby - 2005-10-27 11:49 AM

POTUS gets to have the other party go on record as opposing a woman nominee. Now that the totally unqualified nominee is out, anyone else looks good, right?King's Gambit?

The other party never opposed the woman nomineee - POTUS' party opposed her.

As for anyone else looking good in comparison, Bush does consider himself the master of low expectations (his quote).

2005-10-27 12:17 PM
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I think that Bush just overestimated his ability to get his way. Up until about 6 months ago he has pretty much had his way with congress and I get the feeling that he did not anticipate the opposition he would get from within his own party - that his "trust me, I know what I'm doing" line that had worked for him in the past would work for him again.

It was his own party that scuttled the nomination. On the day she was nominated Harry Reid was praising the fact that she was not a tradition nominee in that she didn't have any experience as a jurist. I thikn the left right now is taking pot-shots because 1) Its politics and that what you do, especially when the other side appears weak and 2) because they realize that the next nominee has to be someone to appease the far right that opposed Miers and will be much more "hard-core" conservative the Miers appears to be.
2005-10-27 12:19 PM
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Puppetmaster Karl Rove was in the hospital when this nomination was announced.
2005-10-27 1:06 PM
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Renee - 2005-10-27 1:19 PM Puppetmaster Karl Rove was in the hospital when this nomination was announced.

Which would make his first thoughts on her nomination even more interesting. Now there's a memo/email that's going to be the subject of a few chapters in political history books. Rove and his stewardship of the president's career have been the glue that melded the groups on the right into such an efficient machine while the left talked about maybe getting together for a playdate sometime.

Will the failed nomination of Harrient Miers be seen as foreshadowing of the consequences of Patrick Fitzgerald's yet to be announced decisions? This is some high drama. If the absence of Rove results in a couple more moves like this without any big successes then the mid-term elections are anyone's game.



2005-10-27 2:01 PM
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Any thoughts on the POTUS's nomination of Bernanke to head the Fed?
2005-10-27 2:11 PM
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I guess I'm wondering how Bernanke's nomination might fit in with the puzzle that was the Miers' nomination.

It seems, from what little I've read,
Bernanke was well received.  With the bookends of solid picks like Roberts and Bernanke, it makes the Miers' nomination all the more odd.


2005-10-27 3:03 PM
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I doubt that the Bernanke nomination does fit in with the Miers nomination. They likely came from two completely different teams in the WH. The only thing they have in common is the letterhead.

The SCOTUS vacancy is seen as an ideological opportunity. A lot of people factored this into their votes in 2004. It's an emotional hot button issue to many. The administration has until now been masterful in this milieu. I don't think there was a larger strategic plan here. I think Bush got his hat handed to him and he's now one PO'd POTUS.

The Fed chairmanship is a technical position for someone with a big brain and passable political skills. There's little political risk or opportunity in it. It's also much easier to divine what decisions will have to be made and how the nominee with approach those decisions. Most people also haven't got the foggiest idea what the Fed chairman (or the Fed itself for that matter) does. This was a technocratic decision. There were little to no politics involved.

And it would be totally foolish of the left to try to portray POTUS as a jughead. He's always won when they've tried that. Even if Rove is out, those left standing must have learned how to deal with that.  If they're going to demonize anyone, they'd be smarter to go after Delay and co. Those are the positions up for grabs next anyway.

2005-10-27 3:34 PM
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marmadaddy -

The SCOTUS vacancy is seen as an ideological opportunity.



The thing I don't understand is that the criticism has been that the Miers appointment was an exercise in hubris; the president deciding to just nominate a friend, just because he could, just because he is himself.

If he really was trying to satisfy the right he must have known that Miers would not fly.
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