Mad Manatee Mentors, Part 2! CLOSED

jmkizer - 2013-01-31 8:58 AM

I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through this injury and I totally understand your frustration.  I'm glad that you are seeing a sports med guy.  I'm confident that he will get you all fixed up soon. 

You've already built to a long run of 10 miles and honestly, that is pretty darn good.  I'm not sure that did a long run much more than that before my first HIM.  This is only a minor set back.  Try not to let it get you down.

Things to think about:

• I think that you said that you are coached.  What did your coach say?
• In addition to the ice/stretch/roll routine, have you considered an epson salt-baking soda bath in tepid water (1 cup each epson salt and baking soda, soak 15+ minutes.  Note that you should not soak in hot water as that promotes inflammation.
• Are you seeing the doctor or PT specialist during this down week?
• If you are stir crazy (or cranky enough that you want to avoid loved ones!) and you have a yoga place nearby, you might do a drop in there for additional stretching.
• How long have you had your current bike?  What was your bike fitting experience with it?
• Have you ever run a half marathon before?  What is your running background?

 

JJ- - 2013-01-31 10:35 AM

 

 

• My coach and I are supposed to talk this afternoon
• I've read a lot of pro/con on epson salt bath but I'm up for anything
• I am seeing the Doc who is not a PT but does alot of PT stuff with me. He also does tissue work, graston stuf
• No yoga places around and since my IT band is very very inflamed he suggested I don't really do anything load bearing on lower body so some of the yoga poses wouldn't be good
• Bike is brand new (6 weeks), Fitted extensivly before and after purchasing the bike to make sure bike is correct
• Never ran a marthon. I have no running background at all. In April of 2012 I completed my first ever 5k race that I barely finished. (This is probably the problem, I really ramped up my mileage in October, November, December, January. My body was responding really well so my coach and I continued to increase however I think this probably led to the issue. Doc said that my other leg IT band is extremely tight as well and surprised I am not having a problem there. I also have never stretched before/after working out so this is a very big learning injury for me.

JJ- - 2013-01-31 11:35 PM

 

 

• My coach and I are supposed to talk this afternoon
• I've read a lot of pro/con on epson salt bath but I'm up for anything
• I am seeing the Doc who is not a PT but does alot of PT stuff with me. He also does tissue work, graston stuf
• No yoga places around and since my IT band is very very inflamed he suggested I don't really do anything load bearing on lower body so some of the yoga poses wouldn't be good
• Bike is brand new (6 weeks), Fitted extensivly before and after purchasing the bike to make sure bike is correct
• Never ran a marthon. I have no running background at all. In April of 2012 I completed my first ever 5k race that I barely finished. (This is probably the problem, I really ramped up my mileage in October, November, December, January. My body was responding really well so my coach and I continued to increase however I think this probably led to the issue. Doc said that my other leg IT band is extremely tight as well and surprised I am not having a problem there. I also have never stretched before/after working out so this is a very big learning injury for me.

bcraht - 2013-01-31 9:10 AM Huh.  Lookit that.  The Canucks beat the Avs again.  And I got to see it live and in person.  My mom volunteers for the 50/50 groups and gets free tickets now and again.  She couldn't go last night, so SO and I got to . 

rrrunner - 2013-01-31 11:03 AM

Hey hey now... easy on my Avs...

Well I did about an hour twenty on the drainer this morning to get my bike time to at least where it was for December (missed it by like 20 seconds ). The cool part, though, is that my time is about the same but my miles are higher! Yea!

I am definitely feeling yesterday's swim. Interestingly my right bicep is sore, my left bicep is slightly less sore but my left lat is sore

I'm about 3 months in to HIM training, with 8 weeks to go. I am noticing some muscle definition that I've not had before. Also all my clothes, even my skinny clothes, are loose. I hope my suits fit me for trial in a couple weeks

Someone, I think ChrisM, posted the following elevation graph of the Oceanside bike course and I'm including my elevation graph, again, from my ride a couple weeks ago. I'm a bit nervous about the Oceanside hills but know that being at sea level will work in my favor (that's favour for those of you across the pond) too to some extent  as well. Thoughts?

bcraht - 2013-01-31 10:10 AM Huh.  Lookit that.  The Canucks beat the Avs again.  And I got to see it live and in person.  My mom volunteers for the 50/50 groups and gets free tickets now and again.  She couldn't go last night, so SO and I got to . 

TriAya - 2013-01-31 9:59 AM

I'm curious as to what the cons of soaking in Epsom salts / baking soda would be. As far as I know the worst that happens is you get clean. As Janyne stated, though, definitely not hot or even warm. Lukewarm.

I should go take a look at your logs (if that info is there) but I'm also curious what "really ramped up" means for you in terms of numbers as well as running training structure and intensity. Did you occasionally (common patterns are 2-3 weeks on, 1 week slightly less or at least not increasing load in any way) take a pull-back period?

Stretching for PT, that is, in order to address a problem (and perhaps later to maintain solution)  is different than stretching as part of training, and it (actually either kind) doesn't necessarily take place after you work out (and is sometimes outright contraindicated before, depending).

My guess is if your IT band(s) are that inflamed, aquajogging is out of the question too, although it's certainly not load-bearing.

7 days at this point off your legs is unlikely to affect your training as a whole, especially since as you said you ramped up a lot and have already put in a lot of base for running. And it's not optional anyway, so I wouldn't worry.

Asalzwed - 2013-01-31 10:36 AM

Wait, I thought you were not doing the HIM and doing the Oly?

In terms of the hills? Shoot it's just hills. Lean into it a little. We do this stuff because it challenges us not because it's easy. You will be just fine. Just practice. 

JJ- - 2013-01-31 12:48 PM

Haven't really taken a pull back period since Middle of December

Summary of my logs:

Running

Oct 34 miles

Nov 55 miles

Dec 75 miles

Jan 70+ miles

 

jmkizer - 2013-01-31 11:54 AM

The week of January 14 stood out as having significantly more running volume.  What's the story there?

For your biking, is most of it outdoors or on a trainer or something else?  If on the trainer, new bike on the trainer or old bike?

Artemis - 2013-01-31 1:26 PM Oh! Forgot...I am 2.15 miles away from hitting 25 miles run for January.  Have a run scheduled tonight.  I know how far I have to go!

Artemis - 2013-01-31 12:26 PM Oh! Forgot...I am 2.15 miles away from hitting 25 miles run for January.  Have a run scheduled tonight.  I know how far I have to go!

Asalzwed - 2013-01-31 2:33 PM

Perfect! Great job! 30 for February? 

Asalzwed - 2013-01-31 1:08 PM I posted this in the other thread but oh my gosh! I am exhausted (additional information in blog!) Just wrapping up a big running month. I went snowboarding all day yesterday and then went to track practice. Our workout was 5 x 1200 @ 4:48 (that's 6:26 per mile pace.) Our splits were:

4:47 
4:48 
4:46 
4:47 
4:40 

We sped up and dropped 8 seconds off of that last rep. I was thinking that I was only going to do 3 or 4 reps since I was so tired from snowboarding but then they asked me to lead the 4th rep and by the time I finished that I figured I may as well finish out the workout. Little did I know they were going plaid on that last rep.

rrrunner - 2013-01-31 2:13 PM Oh, wanted to share some DS1 news with all y'all. So since we joined the gym DS1 has been going most every evening. Sometimes he hits the dreadmill, sometimes strength training and sometimes he swims. So the other night I casually gave him some basic information about swimming downhill, looking down, high elbows small kick etc. So this morning he told me he'd used my suggestions during his swim last night and he was amazed at the improvement in the effectiveness of his swim. He even said that the girl who is ALWAYS in the hot tub while he swims commented on his improved abilities.  I'll turn that kid into a triathlete yet...