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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. |
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![]() Just my .02 I don't think I can agree. I know when I first got on here I asked some pretty basic questions that, had I searched, I would have found an answer. But this is beginner triathlete after all, and there are new folks coming in all the time. Many may not even know what to search for. My vote is to give them a break and let them post what we may think are basic questions that have been answered before I think avoiding the posts is a good idea if they are that annoying. |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's been said many times here that this site is called BeginnerTriathlete.com for a reason, part of which is that several topics come up repeatedly... it's important to newcomers that when they ask a question, that people respond to it, and are not told to go search the forums. This isn't a repository of triathlon information, it's an interactive site. (the preceding stolen from Marmadaddy, in response to a similar question that the OP here is asking) A good bit of what makes this site so great, and so welcoming to newcomers, is that there are lots of people more than willing to answer the same question 2, 3, more times. If the threads annoy you, don't click on them. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You know what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death
just a little perspective... Edited by madcow 2009-06-24 11:44 AM |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 11:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. So pretty much every day, someone posts "Why can't we just sticky answers to frequently asked questions, or just search the history and get our answers?" Well, if they'd just use the search feature they'd find the answer: marmadaddy - 2007-09-21 4:13 PM Phooey. It's a forum, not an article repository. The question asked isn't "How do people who were here 3 years ago count laps?". It's "How do YOU count laps". There's a big difference. For every person who actually posts the question on the forum, there are probably 10 or 20 reading the first page of the forum at that moment who are looking for the same information. And sometimes they're not just looking for a way to count laps. Sometimes they're looking for a bit of community around this small, odd sport of ours. When starting something like triathlon, it's a big mental boost to know that there are people out there who are at this moment in the exact same position as you, with the same questions. Knowing that there were people like you isn't the same. There's a world of difference between "come sit in the circle" vs. "go look in the library". The Forum Search feature is useful. (I used it to find the first version of this post from early 2006 when the subject was creating an FAQ.) For people who want to look for questions asked previously, it's great. But our forums are the gathering place for a community, and one of the things communities are very good for is passing on information to new people on a person to person basis. From a practical standpoint I'd hate to see people gather the courage to ask a question only to be told to do a search. How are they to know what constitutes an ok question? How many times can something be asked before it's no longer ok? Following the logic of "that's been asked already" you eventually end up with a situation where you only get a small set of cranky old coots arguing over the aero characteristics of the newest ultra-light carbon bottle holder. Beginners and new folks: there are no stupid questions, no questions that are not ok, no questions that have been asked too much already. Wondering about something related to triathlon? Ask away. That's what we're here for. Edited by the bear 2009-06-24 11:45 AM |
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![]() madcow - 2009-06-24 9:40 AM jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death
just a little perspective... snort |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2009-06-24 11:42 AM madcow - 2009-06-24 9:40 AM jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death just a little perspective... snort Eh, he beat me to it, but I had to search for the thread I wanted.... |
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![]() the bear - 2009-06-24 9:43 AM ChrisM - 2009-06-24 11:42 AM madcow - 2009-06-24 9:40 AM jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death just a little perspective... snort Eh, he beat me to it, but I had to search for the thread I wanted.... No, I think having marma's post in the thread is good. He says it better than I can (and he's the boss, so he's got that going for him) |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2009-06-24 12:46 PM the bear - 2009-06-24 9:43 AM ChrisM - 2009-06-24 11:42 AM madcow - 2009-06-24 9:40 AM jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death just a little perspective... snort Eh, he beat me to it, but I had to search for the thread I wanted.... No, I think having marma's post in the thread is good. He says it better than I can (and he's the boss, so he's got that going for him) yes... I tried to quote him, and screwed it up... the post bear found was the one I was referring to. At least I got the word "repository" correct. ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2009-06-24 9:38 AM It's been said many times here that this site is called BeginnerTriathlete.com for a reason, part of which is that several topics come up repeatedly... it's important to newcomers that when they ask a question, that people respond to it, and are not told to go search the forums. This isn't a repository of triathlon information, it's an interactive site. (the preceding stolen from Marmadaddy, in response to a similar question that the OP here is asking) A good bit of what makes this site so great, and so welcoming to newcomers, is that there are lots of people more than willing to answer the same question 2, 3, more times. If the threads annoy you, don't click on them. x2. However, I almost always read the "how do I" threads. There's almost always something in there from one of the "in the know" people that I hadn't known, or forgotten, or... Also, consider this: Topic title - "How do I get faster on the run?" with any one of the following: Post #1 - "I've been running for 2 months, 2x/week, about 10 miles total. My pace is xx:xx, I want to get faster. What do I do?" Post #2 - "I've been running for a year, 3-4x/week. Do I need start adding in tempo runs? What are strides?" Post #3 - "I've been running for 2 years, dropping from a 9:xx to a 8:xx pace. I ran a 5k recently and I felt like I couldn't get my body to go any faster, and finished in 26:52. I usually run 4x/week, with one day being strides. What do I need to change to get faster?" All three have the same topic of "how do I run faster", and each one will have vastly different recommendations. John |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2009-06-24 5:37 PM Just my .02 I don't think I can agree. I know when I first got on here I asked some pretty basic questions that, had I searched, I would have found an answer. But this is beginner triathlete after all, and there are new folks coming in all the time. Many may not even know what to search for. My vote is to give them a break and let them post what we may think are basic questions that have been answered before I think avoiding the posts is a good idea if they are that annoying. Totally agree, one of the great things about this forum is the great attitude people have to guys and gals coming online and asking "basic" previously asked questions. it's nice to be able to ask without the feeling you're going to be told to go look elsewhere, or do a search, answering someone directly gives them a more welcome feeling I think. my 0.02 pence. |
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![]() I figure that maybe a lot of newbies don't even KNOW that there's a search function. Sure, it's not hard to find, but I think it's just easier to type it out and wait for people to answer, ya know? Esp if you don't really know what you're looking for.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm very new to the site and prior to finding this site I conducted a lot of searches for questions and answers. I can find out how to get faster on Google. That's the purpose of the search engine. This site provides two services 1. Information 2. Interaction. You can't obtain interaction from a search engine. If I would have just utilized the search feature I would have never been able to meet some of the folks on here. What better way to get faster than to post a 'simple' questions and then get invited to a group run, ride, or swim. |
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![]() x2. However, I almost always read the "how do I" threads. There's almost always something in there from one of the "in the know" people that I hadn't known, or forgotten, or... Not to mention the fun of watching the speedy folks "debate" what the best way to do anything is...... ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2009-06-24 11:56 AM I figure that maybe a lot of newbies don't even KNOW that there's a search function. Sure, it's not hard to find, but I think it's just easier to type it out and wait for people to answer, ya know? Esp if you don't really know what you're looking for.
x2 on this. Plus the post from Marma is great. Maybe a person who recently joined can give some super insight on a question. This would be missed out on if a newbie used the search. I will tell you what annoys me, someone asking "why don't newbies use the search?" However you tricked me and titled your thread differently. See if you would have titled it the other way I would not have clicked on it.......'cause it would have annoyed me......see how that works ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll speak up as a newbie to the board (since it was probably my thread which prompted the OP to make the suggestion). I have used the search function and found that you get hundreds of posts on the same topic (and it is a little hard to find). It is very difficult to wade through all the information and get a clear answer to a question that may not be cookie cutter. It is sometimes easier just to ask - plus I want to interact with people not just read posts. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2009-06-24 11:47 AM ChrisM - 2009-06-24 12:46 PM the bear - 2009-06-24 9:43 AM ChrisM - 2009-06-24 11:42 AM madcow - 2009-06-24 9:40 AM jdevito20 - 2009-06-24 9:33 AM So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? Yeah, I know, I can just skip the posts and not read them, but for some reason they annoy me. You what is funny? I have been on BT for so long, that even this question has been asked to death just a little perspective... snort Eh, he beat me to it, but I had to search for the thread I wanted.... No, I think having marma's post in the thread is good. He says it better than I can (and he's the boss, so he's got that going for him) yes... I tried to quote him, and screwed it up... the post bear found was the one I was referring to. At least I got the word "repository" correct. ![]() Now that's funny. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree that there are always repeats on the posting, and to be honest - I've asked some dumb ones... Sleeveless/sleeve, disk?, nutrition, etc. However, I appreciated that even though I'm asking questions people have seen a thousand times already - I'm getting answers to MY question - and for me specifically. Recently I searched for something ... I can't remember what. I got the answer, but it's not the same as chatting with people about it... One of the great things about online forums is that you have the opportunity to ask - and perhaps even if you've searched it but the threads you found aren't quite answering your questions - you will always have people to answer you. |
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![]() | ![]() I am new to this, and very enthusiastic about it, as it is the most enthusiastic I've been about anything in quite a while. I found this site and have been learning quite a bit, and I have to say THANK YOU to all of the "veterans" that continue to post and address newcomers questions, it trully is very helpful. I hope to be able to reciprocate that for people in the future. This is an amazing community, I volunteered at a tri in May to see if it trully was what I wanted to spend my time training towards, and I was sold at number marking, and by the end I was ready to go. This site is helping me out tremendously with all of my inner questions, sometimes without me having to step out there and ask, other times, it's more fun to participate in an ongoing discussion with multiple people. That is a great part of this forum. As for this comment: So pretty much every day, someone posts "How can I get faster at the (swim/bike/run). I feel like this has been covered to DEATH here on BT. Can we all agree that if we feel the urge to ask this question, we'll just search the history and get our answers? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I like the repeat questions, and answers. I'm slow. I need to hear it many many times before it sinks in... |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2009-06-24 12:56 PM I figure that maybe a lot of newbies don't even KNOW that there's a search function. Sure, it's not hard to find, but I think it's just easier to type it out and wait for people to answer, ya know? Esp if you don't really know what you're looking for. Frankly, the toolbars and everything up there are so busy, and the search button's so small, it actually *can* be somewhat difficult to find it. And, once you do find it, the search page can be difficult for one who's new to the site (especially someone who is perhaps less web-savvy; yes, there are still people in 2009 who aren't as comfortable working online as some of us) to figure out options, forum choices, etc. And then, of course, as you suggest, there's the problem of how to phrase a search to get what you are looking for; if your forum post isn't clear or doesn't ask the question you wanted to ask, other people can ask for clarification and can help you work out what you need to ask to learn what you need to learn. If your search query isn't clear or doesn't ask the question you wanted to ask, you get nothing, or too much. While I'm relatively new to this forum myself, I'd rather have people ask questions that have already been answered and risk annoying some tight-cheeked blockhead who can't stand to see the same thread repeated than have people get frustrated by not being able to find the answer that answers the problem that they're having (or, worse, not knowing that the response they've found solves a different problem than the one they've got, and somehow injuring themselves) and walking away from the board, the site, or even the sport. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Experior - 2009-06-24 8:43 PM I like the repeat questions, and answers. I'm slow. I need to hear it many many times before it sinks in... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The not-knowing-how-to-ask is a big thing. Sure, it may seem so obvious to search for "sleeveless wetsuit" if you want to know the advantages of such. But what if all you can think to call that thing you saw at the tri you happened to drive by is a "tank-top wetsuit"? How many useful hits will that get you? (and no, I didn't search to find out; so shoot me) The other big advantage I found when I was new is translating info into reality. Yes, reading is still reading, but being able to ask, "Um, so I read about tempo runs, but I just don't get it. Can someone translate into baby English for me?" is so much better than someone guessing at what they think a tempo run might be after they read a bunch on Google and searched here and trying it out. And then posting, "So I injured myself going too hard, what now?" ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() From a newbie’s perspective, it has been great to be able to ask what might seem like silly questions to others and get insightful answers from people who have actually been through what us newcomers are going through now. There is no arrogance from the more experienced people and it really gives you the information you really need to enjoy the sport fully. When you post a topic and get responses they are specific to your question. Thanks again for answering my threads which I’m quite sure have been posted many, many times before! |
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