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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I just built my own "rig" ASUS Nvidia4 chipset A8N5 motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ processor (socket 939) 1 Gig RAM 1 SATA Western Digital 250 Gig HD Plextor DVD-RW Windows XP Professional Questions: Once I get my XP running with SP 2, when should I think about "ghosting" my installation? Should I RAID instead? Should I partition my harddrive? if so, how? Do I need to (should i) install a floppy for recovery purposes? (or just wait for disaster?) "they" say, 1 small partition for the OS, and 1 for apps makes recovery easier, but some apps HAVE to be included in the smaller partition if I want to get back up and running easier. For example, the web browser, email, antivirus, spywareblocker, office. Should all those apps go on the smaller C partition? Any thoughts? Am I making any sense? At the moment, I have a 20 gig partition with xp & service pack 2, firefox, antivir, spybot, and plan to install office. Then I have a massive (empty) 210 gig partition which I plan to use for pics & music. Should I have a 3rd partion still for "other" apps? Like topo software, mapping stuff, music things (itunes), programming apps... Help, please! |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() YEs, I missed many callings (the olympic skiier, the professional soccer player, the mechanical/electric engineer, the computer scientist). School is nice, but it doesn't pay for toys. ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You are officially a member of geekdom. Don't bother with floppy systems today will reboot from CD. I wouldn't bother with many partitions. Too much software expects to be on "C" and argues with you if it isn't there. If you keep good disc hygiene (keep your working files in a single folder, or two), you should have any trouble with back-up and recovery. "ghosting" is good if you have alot of unique system set-up that you've done. If you are using mostly off the shelf software, it's really better to do a disaster recovery from the original discs. Prevents inadvertant retention of viruses or other nasties. Nice system! Have some fun with it. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() First off, nice rig. What G card you do with? questions: 1. I never Ghost, I think it's more of a pain then what it's worth. If you want to, do it after you install all your "Core" programs. Anything you will for sure reinstall if the system crashes. 2. You can only go RAID with multiple Hard drives. So unless you buy another, then you can't go RAID. Personally with SATA, unless you are doing heavy photoshopping or something else the requires massive disk seeking, then RAID is unneeded, unless you are running a RAID 1, which is basicly making the 2nd drive a clone of the first so if one drive physcially fails, you still have a working copy. RAID 1 does not protect against software corruption tho, as changes are made to both drives. 3: Yes. I always run 2 partitions or 2 seperate drives. One is for the OS and all program files. The second is for files. That way, if I have to reinstall windows, I can do a full wipe on the OS partition/disk and not worry about backing up files. Also if windows completely dies on me and I have to wipe the disk without being able to boot off it, I can do so without losing important data. To do it, when you install windows it will ask you want partition you want to install to. Use that tool to create two partitions. Then tell it to install to the first one. Once installed you can format the second partition through "my computer." 4. I tried to go floppy less but it lasted a month. I had a firmware issue with my DVD burner that required you to boot off a disk to update it. Problem was it was the only bootable drive besides my HD, so I had to buy a floppy for that reason. That's been the only time I've used it. If your BIOS supports booting from USB, then a flash drive can serve the purpose. I have never put apps on their own partition. Mainly because the regestry is still on the windows partition and linked to that installation of windows. You can make backups of the reg, but I find it easier to just reinstall my key programs when I do a fresh install. Besides, I don't wind up reinstalling half the crap I have on it at the time I wipe it. That's part of the reason I wipe in the first place. I also keep a folder on the document drive that I use to hold a copy of all the latest drivers. When I update one, I just download it to that folder. That way if I do reinstall I don't have to go searching for them all. They are right there. Kind of handy when your network card doesn't have a cookie-cutter driver on the windows install CD. Learned that one the hard way. So I'd leave your drive the way it is right now. Just right click on "my documents" and change the target over to the other drive and everything will be cool. Edited by vortmax 2006-02-16 8:37 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() i don't bother with ghosting. done really well ghosting can be great but its a tad unneccesary for a home box. you don't need a floppy in all likelyhood. i've been floppiless for years now. take that for what you will. raid can be alot of things. raid0 is splitting a 'hard drive' into two physical disks so you get about a 30% performance increase. raid1 is drive mirroring which i use on the servers i oversee. isn't really neccessary for a home box unless you run some very HDD intensive/mission critical stuff from. for partitioning i honestly just use one big partition for winblows + apps. i dont reccomend installing applications to a seperate partition because they often install important libraries (or more likely shared DLLs) into the windows partition, along with various registry settings. so if you have to reinstall to the OS many of your apps may be screwed anyways. i do reccomend creating a separate partition for your DATA. i often assign a partition to the 'My Documents' section. so when all is lost, not all is lost. pictures, music, homework, work stuff, whatever is still good to go. for *nix systems i install my /home directory to a seperate partition. if you ever find yourself dualbooting with a linux install i highly reccomend mapping your windows pagefile to a seperate linuxswap partition. this gives you your full windows install space for working by removing the 'virtual memory' part out of the boundary. if you have any questions feel free to PM me. i'm a million times smarter and more modest than anyone else here on the board. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You lost me at "Windoze XP"... get Linux on that bad boy... down with Microsoft. Oh and no to RAID, yes to partition, and no to floppy (Get a CD-RW if that DVD drive doesn't). bts |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'd love to go all Linux. Is there a distribution you recommend? My current goal is just to back up my laptop so I can send it in for servicing before my best buy warrantee wears out next month. But I use a lot of apps that I don't know of their Linux equivalents, like Arc Info and Access, not to mention my various Topo software programs. What programs do you recommend for Linux for -word processing -spreadsheet -relational database -music management -photo managemnt -security (virus, spyware, firewall) Thanks for all the advice! |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() open office takes care of a lot of that stuff. as for which distro....really depends on what you are familiar with. I'me currently using Suse, but have run Unbuntu, Red Hat, Free BSD, and Slackware. They all get the job done. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The best thing to do is to sell the PC and buy a Mac. But I guess if you're going to keep it, as said before, partitioning off programs doesn't nothing for you since when you whipe out the registry the programs (mostly) won't work after a reinstall anyways. I am a big fan of Ubuntu for linux. But Mac OS X is the best *nix distro out there I am a former PC tech shop owner turned Mac tech. mmm Macbok Pro....yum |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you love this stuff, you could do everything you suggested and what everyone else suggests. There is no right or wrong as long as you don't open attachments, run anti-virus, run anti-spyware, run auto-update and have a router. When dealing with your home system, I always say K.I.S.S. , unless you have an inordinate amount of time and you love to geek out. I do not like to geek out, so I am still running a 5 year old machine with Win 2000 Pro and no issues (knock on wood). I have a second hard drive that stores all of my files and I burn the keepsakes. Yes, I am old school, but it works and I spend little monitor time compared to family time. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() FreeBSD, baby! Ghost sort of sucks. I use TrueImage. Similar concept. I am pretty much floppy-free, but I keep one in the system because you never know. I end up using it maybe once a year. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AdventureBear - 2006-02-17 7:01 AM I'd love to go all Linux. Is there a distribution you recommend? My current goal is just to back up my laptop so I can send it in for servicing before my best buy warrantee wears out next month. But I use a lot of apps that I don't know of their Linux equivalents, like Arc Info and Access, not to mention my various Topo software programs. What programs do you recommend for Linux for -word processing -spreadsheet -relational database -music management -photo managemnt -email -security (virus, spyware, firewall) Thanks for all the advice! I could go on for hours. A few good ones were mentioned. Mandriva's nice too (http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/community/) that even has a flash tutorial on installation. Linux users are fond of saying that the only difference between it and Windows is that Linux expects you to be able to think to use it... and in return it doesn't crash every chance it gets. Your best bet is to partition (or better yet get a second HD) and have both on so you can ween yourself of windows. Going cold turkey can be very frustrating. I have two boxes because my wife is trapped on the dark side. bts |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have a copy of SuSE 8.0 and of Linspire 5-0, niether of which I've tried. About 5 years ago, I had an older suse running on a 386, but could never get it to recognize my modem card and gave up on it. The idea was to get a version of high speed internet through the phone line. Anyway, I definately want to be Bi-OS. If I want to try multiple versions of linux just to experiment, should I have a partitioin for each one? How do you boot from a 2nd hard drive (how does the computer know what HD to boot from? I used LILO (forget what it stands for, but remmber it gave you the option of booting either OS) but don't remember any details of it's installation, and it was kind of a pain. It would be nicer to have one OS boot automatically, and maybe a POST kestroke to get it to boot to theother OS. Any suggestions? Oh, my graphics card is an eVGA GeForce 6600. Havn't done anything besides windows yet. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() easy to do. Just throw to more partitions after C. One for Linux and one for swap, or if you have 2 drives, put the linux partition on one drive and swap on the other. Install windows and get it all set up then install linux to the other partition. Most distros come with LILO or GRUB and will automaticlly set it up. When my computer boots it brings up the grub boot screen. I have 5 seconds to tell it to boot into Suse before it continues to load windows. I'm running Suse 8 and love it. They did a really good job with it. I especially like YaST (yet another stupid thing). It's an update utility that lets you browse availible libraries and install them automaticly. It's a big time saver. If you want to try different versions, they have live CD's for most of them. It's a CD image you burn and boot off of. Will let you run the OS and play around with it without actually installing anything. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AdventureBear - 2006-02-16 8:06 PM Should I RAID instead? some people have critized me for the cost BUT, on my desktop i had a RAID mirror. 2 identical drives that both of them are the same data. if one crashes, the other has all your data. YES YES double the HDs more cost, but it is **almost** crash proof. |
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COURT JESTER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AdventureBear - 2006-02-16 7:06 PM I just built my own "rig" ASUS Nvidia4 chipset A8N5 motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ processor (socket 939) 1 Gig RAM 1 SATA Western Digital 250 Gig HD Plextor DVD-RW Windows XP Professional Questions: Once I get my XP running with SP 2, when should I think about "ghosting" my installation? Should I RAID instead? Should I partition my harddrive? if so, how? Do I need to (should i) install a floppy for recovery purposes? (or just wait for disaster?) "they" say, 1 small partition for the OS, and 1 for apps makes recovery easier, but some apps HAVE to be included in the smaller partition if I want to get back up and running easier. For example, the web browser, email, antivirus, spywareblocker, office. Should all those apps go on the smaller C partition? Any thoughts? Am I making any sense? At the moment, I have a 20 gig partition with xp & service pack 2, firefox, antivir, spybot, and plan to install office. Then I have a massive (empty) 210 gig partition which I plan to use for pics & music. Should I have a 3rd partion still for "other" apps? Like topo software, mapping stuff, music things (itunes), programming apps... Help, please!
Excuse me, could you rephrase that and this time use ENGLISH??? Thank you. Glad there are those techno geeks that understand all that. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tupuppy - 2006-02-19 5:27 PM AdventureBear - 2006-02-16 7:06 PM I just built my own "rig" ASUS Nvidia4 chipset A8N5 motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ processor (socket 939) 1 Gig RAM 1 SATA Western Digital 250 Gig HD Plextor DVD-RW Windows XP Professional Questions: Once I get my XP running with SP 2, when should I think about "ghosting" my installation? Should I RAID instead? Should I partition my harddrive? if so, how? Do I need to (should i) install a floppy for recovery purposes? (or just wait for disaster?) "they" say, 1 small partition for the OS, and 1 for apps makes recovery easier, but some apps HAVE to be included in the smaller partition if I want to get back up and running easier. For example, the web browser, email, antivirus, spywareblocker, office. Should all those apps go on the smaller C partition? Any thoughts? Am I making any sense? At the moment, I have a 20 gig partition with xp & service pack 2, firefox, antivir, spybot, and plan to install office. Then I have a massive (empty) 210 gig partition which I plan to use for pics & music. Should I have a 3rd partion still for "other" apps? Like topo software, mapping stuff, music things (itunes), programming apps... Help, please!
Excuse me, could you rephrase that and this time use ENGLISH??? Thank you. Glad there are those techno geeks that understand all that. Sure no problem...new computer, flashing lights, spinning propellers, launches rockets and could probably spy on my neighbors with it too. Oh, and it will make me faster, too! |
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COURT JESTER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sure no problem...new computer, flashing lights, spinning propellers, launches rockets and could probably spy on my neighbors with it too. Oh, and it will make me faster, too! From one smart butt to another...... Thank you. That helped a LOT. Now I can answer and say it looks AG (All Good) to me. and very cool that it'll make you faster too. Only ask you don't launch any rockets in my directions.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() this thread needs links: www.distrowatch.org has a good rundown on most distributions. check out their "top 10". ubuntu is #1 and for good reason. it takes less clicking to install then winXP and can probably autodetect 100% of your hardware. i like kubuntu for a desktop solution since it uses the KDE destop enviroment which i find superior to gnome. its the same as ubunutu but with KDE. plus its synaptic/apt-get utility is fan-friggin-tastic. slackware is great for a server, but you need to have some *nix background first. as for applications: openoffice2 can pretty much satisfy any of your needs for word/excel/access/powerpoint needs. k3b can burn anything you need. mplayer is good (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html) i like VLC since you can basically build your own TiVo with it (www.videolan.org) just search through the package repository for your distro and start downloading/installing! if you go the ubuntu/kubunut/xubuntu/edubuntu route then you will have over 17,000 software packages available to you freely! happy linuxing. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Wow, that sounds cool. So how big a partition should I make for the Linux installation? I want to keep a big chunk for pics/music, but right now my total MP3 and photo collection is proabably about 25 gig (or less), and I've got a 250gig HD, so no worries on total space, but I'd hate to tie up lots of free space on a partition unused. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() vortmax - 2006-02-19 6:54 PM AdventureBear - 2006-02-19 3:45 PM Oh, and it will make me faster, too! only if it's RED Crap. My LEDs are BLUE |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I just got my Ubuntu 5-pack in the mail. They seem to have decided that their mission is to distribute Ubuntu, and that 5 cds are as easy to mail as one, so they sent me five. I'm going to be like the Johnny Appleseed of Ubuntu. Anyone want one? It comes with an install disc and a live disc. I'm putting it on my old Stinkpad with Windows 2000 Pro. I'm sick of patching and updating and patching and updating . . . |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() what an awesome thread! i say ubuntu for linux. but if you want to try lots, go for it. however, in all likelihood you'll end up choosing one so you probalby don't want to have N partitions for linuxes that you're just trying. for that i would recommend running vmware on your windows, just try all the linuxes you want, whichever looks best then you can do your permanent install on a HD partition. you can get a free vmware 30 day trial, and they don't care if you just keep doing it. i know a guy who worked there, and they were happy when people just serially downloaded the trial version. |
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