Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!
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2008-09-05 1:18 PM |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!IM Louisville Volunteer Report Aug 31st 2008
Pre Race: Woke up EARLY on Saturday because I was racing a local Olympic race. I raced like heck and then met up with the family and handed our daughter off to her Grandmother for the weekend. After that my wife and I packed up quickly with MTBs and clothes and headed off on our 4 hour jaunt to Louisville from St. Louis. Earlier in the week we had received a call from the volunteer coordinator basically assigning my wife and I to work with Ironman Live as race spotters. We were very excited with that as it would give us tremendous access to “inside the ropes” and to any part of the course! We also decided that we wanted to keep out commitment to the local race folks and still do our shift as catchers in the finish chute during the last 5 hours……with that as our plan, we met with the IM Live folks after arriving in Louisville and got our radio and access passes and our basic marching orders: Chase the men pros around the whole course and call in places and time gaps. We were to be working in tandem with another spotter so we could “leapfrog” around the course in attempts to keep ahead of them! We met our other spotters at the parking lot under the highway at 6am and got our last minute instructions…..after that my wife and I decided to head over to transition and check out the bikes the men pros would be riding in case we missed a number as they rode past…….ended up talking to one of the men pros as he scrambled to get his bike ready for the day (BTW this is 6:20 am and they were starting in ½ hour!)….I offered to help but he was really just doing his thing….super nice guy though. We then went back to the car…..drove up along the race course to the swim start and parked in the restricted parking area and wandered over to find a place to watch the start (I wanted to have actual race time on one of my watches so we could gauge how the day was going and could call in race time as well as gaps). The crowds around Tumbleweed were like last year, people milling about with their athletes, etc. so we didn’t find any great spot………but then I remembered that the Tumbleweed was open to VIPs last year so I suggested we try out our “all access” wristbands…….And in we strolled!!!! Right into the restaurant and over to the rail overlooking the swim start! It was then, as we stood waiting for things to get going and the sun was rising over the mass of athletes waiting for the day, that I REALLY got the itch to race……all the energy was so palpable that I literally was getting goosebumps watching! The “Call to the Post” was played on the Derby-style bugle and within minutes the pros were off into the bright orange sunrise!!
Race Start: It was interesting watching the pros start up…..the first 250 yards or so it really seemed like they were working it hard…..at least their kicks seemed pretty aggressive. After a 10 minute headstart for the pros, it was time for the AG athletes to hit it…..we watched for about 15 minutes as they poured in three at a time off the end of the dock. I saw some friends start their day and could only wish them luck from afar! We hit the head while we had access to a nice clean john and went out towards the car. En route, we ran into Steve Meckfessel., the Race Director, whom I have met a number of times over the last couple of years. Quick howdy to him as we were headed out to mile 5 to wait for the men to come flying by.
Swim: One of the benefits of this job was that we had access to “race radio” where we would hear all day the goings on of the race. We listened as the chasers on the boats in the Ohio River talked of two different packs taking different lines in the river after the turn buoy…….wish I could have figured out which one proved fastest! Listened to the swim exit while we were waiting at mile 5 and talking to a local Sheriff who said that for the most part the community was very supportive of bringing such an exciting event to town.
Bike: The first men came whizzing by and were closely followed by the first couple of women. My wife and I lagged a bit to help one of my friends who was also spotting (for the women) figure out the logistics of capturing the time gaps and calling them in……that four minute lag would cost us in our next assignment as we could not catch the leaders (traffic, crowds, and the fact that these guys were flying!!) by mile 15! And so the day began….watch the first five go past, get the gaps, call them in as you were hustling to the next logical mileage point in concert with our co-spotter……wild, almost surreal feeling driving around on the course while the race was going on and observing these guys “at work”……I can tell you that I learned a bunch of different tricks about the Louisville bike course that I will use in 2009! The excitement built as Chris McDonald caught and passed Andrew Johns going through Lagrange the second time….called it in and headed off to chase the pack back to Louisville. On the way back to Louisville we were able to pull alongside on the of Top 5 men that we had been chasing all day but did not know who since he was a late entry and was not on the lists that we had access to prior to the race. Turns out is was Zach Ruble…a fixture on some of the internet forums I frequent….he ended up having a pretty good day in the end….Once back in Louisville we made our transition to our MTBs for the run. I was really surprised how hard it was to stay ahead of these guys in a car and was hoping that our bikes would be fast enough as the gaps potentially built on the run! The two German athletes were making a serious challenge over the last couple of miles and in fact, we saw more bikes in transition than we expected on the pros rack as we rode past to take our first run post……didn’t know it at the time but the eventual winner of the race had moved to within 8 minutes of the leaders in T2……
Finish Line: At our appointed time we went to check in for our finish line duties…..the folks manning the volley check-in were less than perfectly organized and at the end of some, “who are you?”, “where are you scheduled?”, “are you sure you don’t want to help serve food instead?”, (NO I signed up to work in the chute for many reasons and I did so online in plenty of time to ensure my assignment!), my wife and I just looked at our “all access” wristbands and our volley shirts and thought….the heck with it, and strolled into the chute to help catch finishers! After having done this in Wisconsin in 2006, I was very aware of how to proceed and we jumped in line and got to work…….right away, it became apparent that there was a lack of direction as far as keeping the catchers organized and working smoothly……one strike against them was that a bunch of folks needed to go to Medical a block and a ½ away…..so at any one time almost half of the catchers were not in the chute…….And, it got worse! Some folks that volunteered obviously did so ONLY so they could catch/greet their racer and constantly stood off to the side of the line only to do some work when prompted by those around them……not cool! Seeing your racer is a “SIDE BENEFIT” to volunteering, not the sole reason for doing so! I caught so many people that needed to be triaged by someone with more medical training than I have but the ONLY option for that was to take them all the way to the Med tent…..much too distant for us as vollys to get them there and get back to keep the line moving AND when it involved going that far, a lot of racers simply said, no thanks! And went off with their families……a bunch of them DID develop problems after “being released” and then required medical assistance……SOLUTION: There was a “medical area” (big blue banner and everything) within the chute…..this NEEDS to be staffed by medical personnel (I would suggest three nurses or docs) that could make the call as to who goes to the Med Tent and who just needs to site and drink some water before we feel comfortable with them heading out into the crowd…….this puts a trained person in charge of the athletes and gives those on the border of being o.k. or not a chance to get a solid opinion as to their condition instead of relying on finishline volunteers….. Also, apparently there was an announcement in the meeting that WTC was going to enforce the no family (at all) in the chute but they would be allowed in to get in the Finishers photo at the ASI booth in the chute…….comes time for this to happen and folks wanting to do that are told in NO uncertain terms that no people AT ALL are being let in for these photo opps! Now, either ASI sets up one booth outside the “chute” or you have a small area at the end of the chute for family collecting/photo-ing or something but this became a real sore spot!! That and I think that the cross street at the end of 4th Street Live needs to be closed……between the crowd right outside the chute waiting for folks spilling into the intersection and volunteers trying to rush folks over to Medical, to racers simply trying to get across traffic while their legs “kinda worked”….this intersection being open is a potential problem…… In the end I got to see many of my friends finish…..I met a bunch of cool folks from ALL OVER that were now part of the IM fraternity….and I got to catch/congratulate Dr. Ed Wolfgram (76 yo) on his finish less than a year after open heart surgery…..lots of inspirational moments in the chute, as usual!!!
Summary: In general, volunteering was a blast, tiring, inspiring, and enlightening! The access that we were afforded by working for WTC was unbelievable…..truly a behind the scenes look at how an IM is done by the best! In contrast, I got to see some of the negative things I normally don’t see when racing….like folks that have no business starting an IM…..I may sound elitist here but those who know me understand I am a pretty open-minded guy and when I see some folks that are not just out of shape but clearly obese on the dock waiting their turn I wonder what they are thinking! There were a bunch of people pulled or drop off the bike course and I got to see them wandering with their T bags towards the cars…..hard to imagine the emotions! Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. All my observations and suggestions for improvements will be forward to the race organization for use in their race post mortem…with the hope that the few problems I observed are solved for next year when I head back to Louisville….this time to race and try to break 11:30! Edited by Tri-Wog StL 2008-09-05 1:22 PM |
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2008-09-05 2:47 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Memphis, Tn | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Thank you for being there to catch me after an unintended long day on the course. I will never forget "welcome to the club". ![]() |
2008-09-05 3:19 PM in reply to: #1653503 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Then let me say it again: Welcome to the club! It was obvious to me that you left it all out there and while you may not have had the day you wanted, you trained, planned, and were ready to give your best.....! Excellent! |
2008-09-05 3:31 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Champion 10471![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Thank you so much for volunteering. I really do appreciate it! All of the volunteers make that day happen. Without you being there, there would not be a race. Thanks again. Now, I need to comment on the following statement: Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. "Racing" an IM is different to each person. For me "racing" an IM meant a 5/2 walk/run strategy on the marathon. Unfortunately, both of my Achilles tendons were hurting so bad by the time I made it to the marathon (never had that happen before!), I couldn't even run. I finished in 15:45. What's the point? The point is I did an IM. I DID IT. I fulfilled a dream of mine. I put in 8 months of HARD WORK. Really hard work. I didn't slack. Check my logs. I did an IM the only way my body would let me do an IM. Period. I'm not a gifted athlete. I have to work hard for my "slow"speed. That's me. It's how I am. I'm OK with that. I'm proud of my accomplishment. So there. Each person races in their own way. Yes, some people didn't train properly... but some of us did and even with all the time put in training, we couldn't hope to run that race under 14/15 hours. That's how it is for some of us. Edited by KSH 2008-09-05 3:48 PM |
2008-09-05 4:16 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
3 | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Wow.. What a comment. I'm not sure elitest is the correct word. It's guys like you that I left team sports and was drawn into the multi sport world. |
2008-09-05 4:25 PM in reply to: #1653643 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Right and not once in your response did you mention a lack of effort or training or respect for the distance..... I put in 8 months of HARD WORK. Really hard work. I didn't slack. Check my logs. Yup....you did what you could......allow me as an unbiased observer of some of your compatriots to tell you that you were in the majority.......but there is a growing faction that takes the IM distance WAY too casually..........everyone that has repsonded has mentioned time......I'll say again....it's not to judge by time and if you had seen what I did on race day you would agree.....I'm certain of it!! In the words of Old Blue Eyes....you did it your way!!! But some tried to "fake" their way through it and those are the target of my comment.....not you!
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2008-09-05 4:27 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Expert 1325![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Findlay, OH | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Thanks so much for volunteering! I'm sure your taking heat about the races but after working my off and missing my goal I do agree with you partialy. I am not a very good "RACER" but I think many people forget these are races and meant to push your body to the limits. A person I train with had no intention of pushing their body to the limits and planed on walking most of the marathon. Yes they finished but after the race they were saying how great they felt, I thought the whole point was to do YOUR best time. Regarless if that is 10hrs or 15 the goal is to get the best out of your body not just DO the race. I do know there were alot of people out there regarless of shape that had no business being out there, I was 20th from the last person going off and ran into about 200 people on the swim within the 1st quarter mile from people already out of breath. Again thanks so much for volunteering! |
2008-09-05 4:29 PM in reply to: #1653503 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike" Geez..I worked 5 years to do my first IM at Lake Placid. I trained more than many my blistering time 16:33. Could it be that I didn't train well enough or took it lightly? Nope I worked my butt off training to do the best I could given the the weather and what I was dealt with. I guess my 110 mile bike/8 mile run and my 4 19+ mile runs prior to my IM didn't help me be in position to "pretend to run a marathon". I find it very elitist and judgmental of you to say that. You have no idea what those folks have done or not done to get to the starting line. There are plenty of folks who do IMs that rode half as many miles as I did this year and were still 1-2 hours faster than I am. Until you walk in anothers shoes maybe not so kind to judge them. I know the pros that finished first at IMLP for women and 10th in the men. You know what they told me is they can't imagine how hard it would be to do an IM that takes 15+ hours. They have been incredibly kind and supportive of me and she won the race. They are gifted athletes. I think just because you are fast doesn't mean you work harder than someone who is slow. Much of our finishing time is determined by our genetics, age and sex.
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2008-09-05 4:49 PM in reply to: #1653821 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!First off before I try to clarify again what my point was that has been misconstrued, let me say: Congratuatlions....that was a tough day to race.... NOW. I'll say it one more time.....IT"S NOT ABOUT TIME.......read what I said.....I never once said that everyone that finishes late "dogged" it!! I've been in those shoes enough times thanks! I've walked my share of 1/2 marathons during 1/2 IMs when it wasn't my day! I'll quote you as the difference between you and the folks I have issues with (and many of them joked about "how hard can this be....I finished and only trained twice a week"! or "heck, even a monkey can walk 26 miles"....guys I heard these phrases Sunday night in the finish area...!!!!!) "Nope I worked my butt off training to do the best I could given the the weather and what I was dealt with." I and other fellow BTers can cite at least a dozen examples of folks that didn't care enough or commit enough to get in 10% of this training effort......those are the folks I have a gripe with, not you!! PLEASE GET OFF THE TIME!! It's about trying!! I know a very good lady friend who raced on Sunday.....she worked her bottom off and finished over 14 hours....did she dog it.....Nah.....did she really take care of herself nutrition-wise on race day...she would be the first to tell you NO but she dug deep and got it done....it the folks that have NO INTENTION of digging within themselves that I have a problem with...... |
2008-09-05 4:54 PM in reply to: #1653813 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: Folks....this is the difference.....razorxp - 2008-09-05 3:27 A person I train with had no intention of pushing their body to the limits and planed on walking most of the marathon. Yes they finished but after the race they were saying how great they felt, I thought the whole point was to do YOUR best time. Regarless if that is 10hrs or 15 the goal is to get the best out of your body not just DO the race. I do know there were alot of people out there regarless of shape that had no business being out there, I was 20th from the last person going off and ran into about 200 people on the swim within the 1st quarter mile from people already out of breath. The key word here is "DO" not "try" or "Race" but "DO".....believe me, what I do is not "racing" to many but to me on race day, it's what I got!!!.....I leave everything out there and have put in the best miles I can in preparation for that..... |
2008-09-05 4:55 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Okay I get your point now I think. Yep some take it lightly...and don't train enough..I know some of those as well. Pretty cool you got that insider look at IM. |
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2008-09-05 5:05 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Extreme Veteran 495![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Horse Country | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!The rest of the post is awesome, really enjoyed the behind the scene look at the race and gives me of what I want to do at my next volunteer race. That out of the way, Ill join the flame train briefly. Your comment is one that while perhaps shared by many, doesnt need to be said out loud People get out of it what they put into it. If they do the hours and the hard work, then great ... their chances of having a good race are increased. If they dont and they are out for a stroll, chances are its going to hurt them more physically, their nutrition plans will fail and they will go out way to fast ... end result, having your chip removed early. Regardless of the method though, if you cross the finish line you ARE an Ironman. You cant really worry about what other peoples motivations are for doing the race, and its even more foolish to attempt to judge those motivations.
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2008-09-05 5:05 PM in reply to: #1653888 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Thank you for listening.......I just get upset because those that choose to "DO" can all themselves "Ironman" just like you and I but I think you would agree that some of us work harder at it......as evidenced by some of the training you listed in an earlier post! Some do take it lightly and don't train enough and some of what I saw on Sunday led me to believe that some think they can get away without training at all....... Congrats again,
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2008-09-05 5:11 PM in reply to: #1653928 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!You know what? Some of my points are bourne out of sympathy....not that they chose to do this to themselves but for knowing what kind of personal hell they are setting themselves up for......and to some extent the potential of someone else getting hurt by their actions....
BTW, Congratulations.....I know you were on of the BT Finishers......I may not comment but do read most if not all the RRs listed!
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2008-09-06 2:55 AM in reply to: #1653211 |
Master 1219![]() ![]() ![]() Sachse | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!First... Thank you for volunteering. I hope you took away more positive points from your experience than negative ones. On your comments... I have kind of mixed feelings. It's probably because I didn't finish and I am still a tad bit pissed about it.(I joke around on here.. but that is another way of dealing with it) I am also a little bigger than the "average" person that lined up that day. (Not near as big as I was a year ago...but still bigger than the average). When looking back I question myself. Should I have done this or that, should I have pushed harder here / let off there. But in the end... I know I pushed it to the end that day. How do I know that? It is not in my personality to do otherwise. I put in the training, toed the line, and it didn't turn out to be my day. Suck it up and drive on.... Now pushing my "sensitive" side out of the way... I can see what you are saying about those not "Pushing" themselves. I don't understand it, but I don't have to. There are cutoffs and time limits. If they fall within those windows and complete the distance, they are an IRONMAN... no matter if they are fat, thin, ugly, beautiful, short, tall, purple, or green. It makes no difference that some out their have higher standards for what an IRONMAN should look like or how they should act. They meet the distance and the time, they get the same medal you and everyone else gets. I think some (not saying you) don't like to see these people complete the distance because they feel that it takes away some of their own "coolness". I mean I can't actually be that high-speed for completing an IRONMAN, if those non-trying "fat people" are able to complete it. To those people I say suck it up... stop your dang crying... focus that energy in completing a double, triple, or some "hard" event that you may get different colored belt buckle for certain times. If you don't like the standards of the event.... find another event that will help you look cool. Again, I am not saying this is your case... but I have heard the same argument before. I know you say that you heard comments that helped you to your conclusion, but I would be willing to bet that anyone that fit you description that crossed the line, stating how easy it was..... on a day like last Sunday... was not being truthful. At different points throughout the day, everyone on that course was "RACING". They may not be racing others, they may be racing their old times, their old selves, or racing to the next water station. You were not put into a position to know this. All you got to see was a 1 - 2 minute snapshot to form your opinion. What you didn't see was that earlier in the run, that same person pushed it as hard as they could between stations and put their entire nutrition plan all over the street. You see them come through the finisher chute, pumped, and talking smack. On the flip side I do not see that you pointed out anyone that looks like an "IRONMAN" and not giving it their all. I would be willing to bet there were many more of these out on the course that day. But then again, how would you know? What exactly do folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. look like? I can tell you that after having my @$$ handed to me twice(and I used to be pretty fast), while on long runs with ruck sacks, I stopped making the assumption of what people can or cannot do based on their looks. One was by a crusty old CSM that looked like he was 1 foot in the grave... The other was a triple tabber that looked like he deployed to Taco Bell 12months out of the year. I would have fit the IRONMAN "looking" profile at the time... yet the old man and "out of shape" guy damn near killed me. Thanks again for volunteering this year... and good luck on your goal for IMKY next year. And if you get passed by a bigger guy (wont be as big) with a mohawk... make sure you say hey. Kenny |
2008-09-06 7:08 AM in reply to: #1653211 |
Elite 2423![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Great work volunteering. I think everyone that races should be forced to volunteer at one race a year, anything from a local sprint on up. I agree with your comments. Things happen race day that are out of the control of many athletes that cause them to be slower or have a worse day than they imagined. Others train really hard and do their best out there, and their best doesnt equate to a "good time" in many peoples eyes. However it is because of these people that we can have races that are large, well stocked and well run. Same principal if you go to a gym and you are a dedicated gym-rat. You may not like the fact that someone 'clearly obese' is using some machine or someone is chit-chatting but they pay their dues to help keep the facility open. |
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2008-09-06 7:55 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Master 2202![]() ![]() ![]() Canton, Michigan | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-05 2:18 PM All my observations and suggestions for improvements will be forward to the race organization for use in their race post mortem…with the hope that the few problems I observed are solved for next year when I head back to Louisville….this time to race and try to break 11:30! Nice report. The wife and I have already discussed volunteering at an IM next year and at this point it looks like IMKY will work best with our work schedules, so maybe we can catch you at the end if everything works out. |
2008-09-08 2:11 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Master 1748![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Port Moody, BC | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!I'd like to pose a question to this conversation about the OP's mention of people "racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…" My question is this: which is a harder task; completeing an IM in 11 hours or finishing is 16 hours? Pushing your body harder for a shorter time or racing easier but for a longer time? Could it be both? Someone taking longer I think might have it tougher than people finishing hours ahead of them... |
2008-09-08 3:03 PM in reply to: #1658603 |
115![]() | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Option (a) is "harder" than option (b) under almost any reasonable scenario. I'm sure the brain trust here could come up with some weird exception to that observation, but it likely would only be theoretical. A 16-hr Ironman finish almost certainly means that the finisher is walking a large part of the marathon, or at least doing something that resembles walking more closely than any other method of locomotion. An 11-hour finisher is in all likelihood running far more than that, with the possible exception of a pro or top AG'er swimming 1 hr, biking 5 hrs, and blowing up on the run. While a "longer" day will probably involve more nutritional intake/decisions, I can't think of a normal situation where walking is "harder" than running. |
2008-09-08 3:33 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Expert 749![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Last year I did IMLOU as a first timer, I thought that those finishing in 8 - 11 hours had it much easier b/c I was working so hard for so long. My finishing time was 14 hours and I was somewhat sore for quite a few days. This year I did IMLOU again. I had GI issues on the bike & was forced to slow way down. Even had to walk quite a few times on the run. My finishing time was 14 hours again but I was really not sore at all. Stairs - no problem. So, I would say to the well trained (well, somewhat well trained) that are going slow for 14 or so hours b/c of nutritional or hydration issues it is MUCH easier. I would also (in hindsight) say that even in my first year when I was working harder and less trained the effort level that I was able to put out was still a heck of a lot easier than I will do next year when I finish in 12 hours! : ) |
2008-09-10 2:17 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Veteran 183![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!I understand by your subsequent comments that your don't really mean "strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point?" And, as you've seen many are they who have (or recently accomplished) a dream of what it would take to walk or jog across an Ironman finish line in just that time frame for the first (or 10th) time, and come here for support, inspiration, and the building blocks for that dream. Including possibly a Marathon run/walk strategy a la the Galloway method. As has already been commented, folks here doing just that are the exception to the idea concerning a lack of training resulting in 15-17 hour IM's, who instead put in tremendous amounts of work to accomplish exactly the thing you (admittedly, inadvertently) ask what's the point of. This portion of your original comment is just badly worded, and I now understand you to mean "There seems to me no point in doing an IM when you're not prepared." Upon which we all agree, and that's why we're here. Therefore, I will not dwell on the possible mindset of those volunteering in the finishing shute during the last 5 hours at my IM later this year, one which I PLAN on finishing in the 15-17 Hour Timeframe. I hope your comments concerning safety and medical attention at IMLou are heard, and thanks a lot for an interesting report, and your knowledgable volunteer service. |
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2008-09-10 2:57 PM in reply to: #1664846 |
Extreme Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() St. Louis, MO | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!In hindsight I agree that my wording was a bit misleading......in response to this "There seems to me no point in doing an IM when you're not prepared." I would go from a slightly different angle........IF you sign up and care enough to chase your dream.....do your best, not just on race day but in training and your other preparation.....all I really would ask is that people understand the magnitude of what they are going to ask of their body and mind over that distance and give it the healthy respect it deserves....otherwise they are asking for trouble.....and if one knowingly goes into the race substantially underprepared (note the words knowingly and substantially) realize that one may be taking resources (medical personnel, swim safety craft, etc.) from someone who is really in physical difficulty due to unforeseen issues....respect the distance is what I'm saying.....and your fellow dream chasers.......I walked a bunch of people from the chute to the med tent and wish I could have walked more and sometimes I wish I could have left the guys joking about how little they trained to help the folks that had trained and really had suffered by giving their all......
Bottom line is that MANY people are beginning to take IM lightly (as many have taken triathlon swims lightly - I've seen one of these guys....he barely made an Oly swim two years ago and this year knew what he was up against and was prepared and did a 38 minute Oly swim.....he made a big error in judgment in the past and was able to live to learn from that judgment...).....this could have bad consequences down the line...... Edited by Tri-Wog StL 2008-09-10 2:59 PM |
2008-09-11 3:14 PM in reply to: #1665004 |
Master 1404![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Eagle Mountain, Utah | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!Wow. I think some of you have misinterperted what the orginal poster was saying. That is part of the reason that I do not post on here much for fear of misinterpertation or offending someone. The guy makes a valid point and gets called elistist. I hate to break it to you, but there are lots of IM finishers that have the ability to finish an IM with little training just so that they can say they have done one. And joke about it like he stated. Others sign up a year out and do nothing to get into the shape they need to complete the race. Then there are the ones who trained their butts off and set goals to make a dream happen. Those are not the ones he is talking about. |
2008-09-11 4:23 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
Extreme Veteran 436![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!I suppose I am one of the few who really could care less if I offend someone. As I finished IMLOU this year in 13:24:41 (my first IM), I will say I did nothing but focus my life on Aug 31st day in and day out for 8 months. Yes, in the giant conga line I too saw some people who "looked" clearly like they had no business entering the race (by appearance only). My observation could have been way off. I also saw some appearingly arrogant people. And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, hear me out. Yes, there a some people who's body fat % is below 5, 10, or 15% who have devoted their lives to IM and have earned a right to be there and there are some with more than 5, 10, or 15% body fat who have earned that right. I along with the vast majority of BTers and triathletes from around the would reorganized my life to complete an IM. I trained for countless hours, day in and day out for months. I EARNED the right to toe the line I did not take it for granted, I EARNED the right to make myself suffer for hours. It is in "MY" opinion that you must earn the right to start an IM whether you finish or not. I, however, am not going to let it bother me if someone who appears to be obese or someone who appears to be super fit crosses the finish line and make some totally UNTRUE and ARROGANT comment that the day was easy. Not one person has ever had an "easy" day in IM or 1/2 IM. And yes if I ever heard someone say IM is easy I would contemplate punching them in the mouth, because apparently they have went through life too long without that happening. Someone needs to shut their mouth for them. I know in my heart I left EVERYTHING out on that course (minus a way too long T2 time). I have no regrets about my day and am proud of my accomplishment. I don't have to go through my days knowing I could have went harder because I couldn't have without a DNF. I pitty the person who did not give the day their all, because that is what IM and the IM experience is all about. If you gave it your all then you deserved the right to be there even is it took you 17+hours. Ten9T6, Brother, not sure if you remember me or not but I met you out on the the run course. We only spoke for a minute but I can say this without the least bit of doubt.......It was clear, crystal clear, you were giving the race everything you had. Now whether you call yourself a bigger guy or not, you "EARNED" the right to be there. You logged countless hours training as did I and as many of our fellow BTers. I would think you would be just as offended as I am when someone makes some bu!!$h!t comment about the day being easy. Finishers medal or not, you had the cajones to start YOUR race in 2008 and based on your comments you will have them in 2009 or 2010 or whenever, and for that congrats on your day and effort. Edited by m-mcclain 2008-09-11 4:40 PM |
2008-09-16 4:21 PM in reply to: #1653211 |
2 | Subject: RE: Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!As with any race, you're gonna have those few people that "do" the race to say they did it. That goes for people who want to claim they've "run" a 5K, 10K, half marathon, etc. We all have done those races and see those overweight people laughing and smiling while they walk their 6-7 hours and then turn around and "claim" to have run a marathon. Annoying? Yes, but we all know the difference right? Now the challenge of doing an ironman is a lot more daunting for most and will filter out the majority of these guys. Because in reality...it's hard to "fake" doing an ironman. Regardless if you are out there racing till you blow up or strolling along, you still have to do the distance to say you complete it and no matter how you do it, it's not easy. Yes...you will still have those stragglers that will walk the marathon on purpose even before the race (that's just the law of averages...you can't control that). But it certainly a lot less than those people you might find in a marathon alone or shorter distance triathlon. So I say, give kudos to all those who finish an IM race...for the majority of us will leave it all out there come race day. |
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