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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is what I do. Once I have figured out what lane, if the person won't stop, I sit on the edge with my legs in (off to the side of the lane). Hopefully they will stop and ask at this point. If not, then I get in. Then I wait till they get back and they usually will for sure stop then and you can figure it out. If they actually say no, I don't know what I would do. Never had that happen yet. If the other lanes were completely packed I would probably ask how much longer they have. Less than 10 min, I may wait, more than that, I think there would be a problem. Max # ? I don't know that one either, probably at a local gym I would say 3 or 4. I'm lucky, no one ever uses the pool where I go. Edited by shad01 2009-07-02 9:12 AM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chandy14ski - 2009-07-02 10:58 AM Questions: 1) I usually observe how they are swimming. Are they just going up the middle, taking the whole lane? Are they swimming a circle in the lane or staying to one side. If they are staying to one side, I would get in (while they are at the far end) on the other side and give them the opportunity to see you in the water on the other side. If they just keep going and stay to their side, start swimming on the other side. If they are doing circles, I would get in and make sure they have the opportunity to see you. They may switch to swimming on one side or stick with circles - react accordingly. 2) If they say no, I would say they don't really have the right to do so and if they persist, talk to the lifeguard (if there is one) 3) no real max but in lane swimming, I personally don't like more than 3 in a lane. When I swim masters, 5 or 6 would be ok as everyone is doing the same thing. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chandy14ski - 2009-07-02 8:58 AM
1. Get in, stay at the wall until he comes back down. He'll stop then. 2. Tell him you weren't really asking, you were just letting him know you're getting in. He'll either throw a fit and management can tell him to suck it, he'll get out, or he'll just keep swimming and be mad about it. 3. I dunno. Some pools have rules, some don't. Just go to the least crowded lane if there are no specific lanes regarding how fast you need to go. There's a swim team that practices when I swim, and they've had 7-8 in a lane before. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I swim in the mornings (when I get up that damn early) at a super nice 50M aquatic center with 15 lanes. It is always packed at 6am with swimmers, masters, and triathletes. Here is what I do. |
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![]() I usually try to pick someone out who appears to be swimming at my speed/ level of fitness. I have shared with a much better swimmer before, and it was nice. He pushed me to keep up the pace, so I did not get in his way. Good for me... As soon as another lane cleared, he switched... he was nice enough to chat in the locker room afterwards too... That said, what if the only lane with space is the one with the nice ladies doing water aerobics... can I swim laps in there? I would prefer to let them have that lane for aerobics and swimin another, but I have limited time, and I need to swim... I would never be disrespectful on purpose (well, never say never)... but you get what Im saying... I want to beat everyone, but I don't want to step on them to do it... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is what I do. Once I have figured out what lane, if the person won't stop, I sit on the edge with my legs in (off to the side of the lane). IMHO that is the best idea if they are doing flip turns. They can not see you standing at the end of the pool, but if you place your legs in the water (to one side), they can see that. If they are not A-holes, they will stop or move over (see below). Then I wait till they get back and they usually will for sure stop then and you can figure it out. They should stop and clarify if they want to do "sides" or "circles". If they don't stop, watch as they should move to one side of the lane (they could be in the middle of a long set). From there watch the return to see if they are doing sides or cirles. Then, follow suit. If they actually say no, I don't know what I would do. Never had that happen yet. No one has every said no to me, but I have seen it happen. The person just went and asked someone else. No worries! The woman who said no, stated she was not a good swimmer and she would freak out with someone in the lane. Persoanlly, I think she was just greedy/rude/etc and didn't want to share. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oh, just remember that "playing nice" will come back to you. If you are always willing to share, then the day you need someone to let you in those poeple will ask YOU to join. If you are always the last person who lets people join you, that will come back as well. Just my 2 cents..... (I am not saying you do the later, just throwing that out there for anyone reading). ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() All good advice so far! On the issue of people saying no to the question "Can I share?" The first time it happened, I said, "Well, it's really a rhetorical question, since you are required to share. So, left or right?" Now, I try to phrase it as "Do you want to split or circle?" so there is no option for no. Just last week, all the lanes had two swimmers, so I picked the lane the was the best fit for me and said to the guys there "Hey guys! Looks like we get to circle swim. OK?" One guy said OK, and asked a question about it, the other guy had on a swim cap that had the local Master's club logo on it, and he says (in a very grumpy tone) "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming. I figure I don't mind swimming with the grumpy guy, and it's good for him to learn to share the pool. And for the record, the grumpy guy I circled with was using fins the whole time and I was still able to keep up with him, so I guess I wasn't the bottleneck (and the other guy was really nice about stopping to the side to let others pass.) Edited by lodewey 2009-07-02 10:21 AM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I guess I'm pretty fortunate to swim at a Y where it's not generally crowded when I swim - max I've seen is 3 in a lane once, the rest of the time it's 1 or sometimes 2 people per lane. Everybody I've come across is nice, if not offering to share, then willingly sharing when I ask. My only "bad" experience thus far was last week when the torrential downpours forced the camp kids inside, which reduced the lanes available for lappers.... Somehow I ended up sharing with the lady swimming laps practicing her 'elementary backstroke' and taking up the whole lane in doing so. I got real good at mini-surface dives each time we were crossing ![]() Yes my workout was not what I had hoped for that day, but it's only one day. I put it into the same category as the days when I'm sore on the run or my biking is just flat, they happen. |
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![]() | ![]() lodewey - 2009-07-02 8:18 AM All good advice so far! On the issue of people saying no to the question "Can I share?" The first time it happened, I said, "Well, it's really a rhetorical question, since you are required to share. So, left or right?" Now, I try to phrase it as "Do you want to split or circle?" so there is no option for no. Just last week, all the lanes had two swimmers, so I picked the lane the was the best fit for me and said to the guys there "Hey guys! Looks like we get to circle swim. OK?" One guy said OK, and asked a question about it, the other guy had on a swim cap that had the local Master's club logo on it, and he says (in a very grumpy tone) "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming. I figure I don't mind swimming with the grumpy guy, and it's good for him to learn to share the pool. And for the record, the grumpy guy I circled with was using fins the whole time and I was still able to keep up with him, so I guess I wasn't the bottleneck (and the other guy was really nice about stopping to the side to let others pass.) Not trying to hijack the thread, but that's another etiquette question I was wondering about. If someone taps your feet do you move left and slow down? Or move further right? I'll stop at the end to let people go ahead, but I've had my feet tapped and I just stopped swimming since I wasn't sure what to do. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lodewey - 2009-07-02 10:18 AM "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming.) Well handled, good for you. I hate when people are jerks for no reason. I'd have prob said, "And if I do slow you down, what are you going to do, beat me up"? Give me a break, he's in a pool and obviously isn't strapped or carrying a knife. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree with most of what has been said. DEFINITELY be patient and take the few minutes to assess what's going on. That's my biggest pet peeve. I DESPISE when someone tries to force me to stop in the middle of a set to ask me if they can split. Wait two more dang minutes and I will talk to you! Have we grown THAT impatient that you can't wait two minutes? Okay, no more ranting. Seriously...what I do and what I expect others to do. Pick a lane you wish to share in...common sense here...if you could split in one lane but would be forcing another lane to circle...pick to split!!!! I tend to try to pick a lane that looks like the person is on par with my ability. As in, I really would rather not split a lane with an aquajogger or a an old lady backstroking. I like to split lanes with people SWIMMING...preferably people who look like they won't disturb so much water that they'll beach me when they pass. I'm not being elitist, I have just found that it's EASIER this way. I sit on the edge of the pool with my feet in the water. DO NOT expect someone that is flip turning to see you standing on the deck. Newsflash...they can't. They are not ignoring you, they just do not know you are there. Then I wait for one of three things to happen... Best case scenario, they eventually stop and and I ask if I can split. We figure it out and I get in. Medium scenario...they aren't stopping or moving over or anything. I slowly inch towards the middle of the lane so my feet are literally going to be in their face when they come up to the wall and there is NO way they can miss me. They finally stop and we figure it out and we keep swimming. Worst case scenario is that they just start swimming along one side in the universal "let's split the lane, but I can't stop right now". I will be honest that I have USED this tactic when I can't stop, but I always always always would prefer to talk to the person before just jumping in. I ONLY use that tactic if I REALLY can't stop and I'm not stopping within 100-200m. See previous rant...if I'm stopping within 100-200m you can be patient and wait. The reason I don't like to use this tactic is that I never know if the person waiting to get in will understand it or not. I know a swimmer swimmer will, but I never know if it's an inexperienced rec swimmer sitting there who will just think I'm being a b*tch and not stopping for them. PLEASE DO NOT: 1. Come running up to my lane while I'm in the middle of a set and insist on making me stop the first time I come to the end of the lane to ask me to split and then not actually GET in the lane for 5 minutes. OMG, that will make me want to drown you. If you weren't going to get in for 5 minutes you could have waited until I stopped...you didn't have to stop me! 2. Just jump in unannounced. 3. Get impatient if I do 2-3 laps before talking to you. Give the person up to 4 laps of truly "ignoring you" before doing something more drastic. 4 laps takes me a little over 3 minutes...patience is a wonderful thing. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Synon - 2009-07-02 10:57 AM lodewey - 2009-07-02 8:18 AM All good advice so far! On the issue of people saying no to the question "Can I share?" The first time it happened, I said, "Well, it's really a rhetorical question, since you are required to share. So, left or right?" Now, I try to phrase it as "Do you want to split or circle?" so there is no option for no. Just last week, all the lanes had two swimmers, so I picked the lane the was the best fit for me and said to the guys there "Hey guys! Looks like we get to circle swim. OK?" One guy said OK, and asked a question about it, the other guy had on a swim cap that had the local Master's club logo on it, and he says (in a very grumpy tone) "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming. I figure I don't mind swimming with the grumpy guy, and it's good for him to learn to share the pool. And for the record, the grumpy guy I circled with was using fins the whole time and I was still able to keep up with him, so I guess I wasn't the bottleneck (and the other guy was really nice about stopping to the side to let others pass.) Not trying to hijack the thread, but that's another etiquette question I was wondering about. If someone taps your feet do you move left and slow down? Or move further right? I'll stop at the end to let people go ahead, but I've had my feet tapped and I just stopped swimming since I wasn't sure what to do. Stay right and slow down a bit is the general etiquette (if you're circling, which is my assumption from your post). |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm going to disagree with you here: I think it's a good scenario when you put your feet in and the person moves over to one side. That's what I do 90% of the time. I see you there and I choose which side I want to swim on. Unless it's the lifeguard, I'm not going to stop in the middle of my set. If I'm swimming down the middle and I see you, (because you're feet or body is in the water) I will move over. That means you are free to swim on the other side. And do not think that I am going to pick the wall if I'm on the end lane. I had someone jump in on the nonwall side and then ask me why I didn't move over to the wall. Ummm...because I got here first. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kanders - 2009-07-02 12:23 PM Synon - 2009-07-02 10:57 AM lodewey - 2009-07-02 8:18 AM All good advice so far! On the issue of people saying no to the question "Can I share?" The first time it happened, I said, "Well, it's really a rhetorical question, since you are required to share. So, left or right?" Now, I try to phrase it as "Do you want to split or circle?" so there is no option for no. Just last week, all the lanes had two swimmers, so I picked the lane the was the best fit for me and said to the guys there "Hey guys! Looks like we get to circle swim. OK?" One guy said OK, and asked a question about it, the other guy had on a swim cap that had the local Master's club logo on it, and he says (in a very grumpy tone) "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming. I figure I don't mind swimming with the grumpy guy, and it's good for him to learn to share the pool. And for the record, the grumpy guy I circled with was using fins the whole time and I was still able to keep up with him, so I guess I wasn't the bottleneck (and the other guy was really nice about stopping to the side to let others pass.) Not trying to hijack the thread, but that's another etiquette question I was wondering about. If someone taps your feet do you move left and slow down? Or move further right? I'll stop at the end to let people go ahead, but I've had my feet tapped and I just stopped swimming since I wasn't sure what to do. Stay right and slow down a bit is the general etiquette (if you're circling, which is my assumption from your post). No no no. If someone taps you on the feet, you stop when you get to the end of the pool and let them pass. The last thing you want is a potential head on collision with the person trying to pass you and the other one coming the other way. If I tap you on the feet I will slow down until we get to the end of the pool. Then, you can stop and I can pass. But when you stop, stop as far right as you can so it's easier for me to get by. Edited by Marvarnett 2009-07-02 11:39 AM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 11:38 AM kanders - 2009-07-02 12:23 PM Synon - 2009-07-02 10:57 AM lodewey - 2009-07-02 8:18 AM All good advice so far! On the issue of people saying no to the question "Can I share?" The first time it happened, I said, "Well, it's really a rhetorical question, since you are required to share. So, left or right?" Now, I try to phrase it as "Do you want to split or circle?" so there is no option for no. Just last week, all the lanes had two swimmers, so I picked the lane the was the best fit for me and said to the guys there "Hey guys! Looks like we get to circle swim. OK?" One guy said OK, and asked a question about it, the other guy had on a swim cap that had the local Master's club logo on it, and he says (in a very grumpy tone) "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming. I figure I don't mind swimming with the grumpy guy, and it's good for him to learn to share the pool. And for the record, the grumpy guy I circled with was using fins the whole time and I was still able to keep up with him, so I guess I wasn't the bottleneck (and the other guy was really nice about stopping to the side to let others pass.) Not trying to hijack the thread, but that's another etiquette question I was wondering about. If someone taps your feet do you move left and slow down? Or move further right? I'll stop at the end to let people go ahead, but I've had my feet tapped and I just stopped swimming since I wasn't sure what to do. Stay right and slow down a bit is the general etiquette (if you're circling, which is my assumption from your post). No no no. If someone taps you on the feet, you stop when you get to the end of the pool and let them pass. The last thing you want is a potential head on collision with the person trying to pass you and the other one coming the other way. If I tap you on the feet I will slow down until we get to the end of the pool. Then, you can stop and I can pass. But when you stop, stop as far right as you can so it's easier for me to get by. whatever... you only know this rule because you always have to stop at the wall Dan... I heard you get tapped so much it is like little fishes following you down the lane line nipping at your toes when you swim |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdevito20 - 2009-07-02 10:03 AM LOL! Well, I left out that even though I'm a chick, I'm a really tall chick with a very LONG reach and I think I could have taken him in a fair fight! Well, as fair a fight as you can have with a 70 year old guy.lodewey - 2009-07-02 10:18 AM "Well, as long as you don't slow me down." I just gave him a big smile and said "Well, if I do, you can just tap my feet and I'll let you pass." That let him know that I understood the etiquette of circling and also that he couldn't intimidate me (which was his purpose, I think.) There is NO WAY I'm going to let someone act that way to me, because then they'll do it to some poor noob who might get too intimidated to keep up with their swimming.) Well handled, good for you. I hate when people are jerks for no reason. I'd have prob said, "And if I do slow you down, what are you going to do, beat me up"? Give me a break, he's in a pool and obviously isn't strapped or carrying a knife. ![]() |
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Regular![]() ![]() | ![]() When I was swimming, I'd rather not be stopped. I'd just follow the cues of whoever got in the lane with me. I assumed that there really wasn't a choice anyway. The only choice is when there are two of us to split the lane or circle swim and like I said, I just did what the other person appeared to be doing. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kanders - 2009-07-02 12:23 PM If I tap you on the feet I will slow down until we get to the end of the pool. Then, you can stop and I can pass. But when you stop, stop as far right as you can so it's easier for me to get by. Just to clarify, this is of course assuming you are swimming circles in a counter-clockwise direction (ie. staying to the right hand side of the lane). If going clockwise, stay left at the wall. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigods - 2009-07-02 12:53 PM Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 11:38 AM whatever... you only know this rule because you always have to stop at the wall Dan... I heard you get tapped so much it is like little fishes following you down the lane line nipping at your toes when you swim While I wish this were not true...it is indeed the case. I just don't want to get a flip turn to the chest, so I move over WAY right. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2009-07-02 1:12 PM kanders - 2009-07-02 12:23 PM If I tap you on the feet I will slow down until we get to the end of the pool. Then, you can stop and I can pass. But when you stop, stop as far right as you can so it's easier for me to get by. Just to clarify, this is of course assuming you are swimming circles in a counter-clockwise direction (ie. staying to the right hand side of the lane). If going clockwise, stay left at the wall. Darn international crowd! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 12:17 PM axteraa - 2009-07-02 1:12 PM kanders - 2009-07-02 12:23 PM If I tap you on the feet I will slow down until we get to the end of the pool. Then, you can stop and I can pass. But when you stop, stop as far right as you can so it's easier for me to get by. Just to clarify, this is of course assuming you are swimming circles in a counter-clockwise direction (ie. staying to the right hand side of the lane). If going clockwise, stay left at the wall. Darn international crowd! so is it like a toilet bowl, if you are below the equator you have to swim counter clockwise and clockwise if above the equator? |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() First, I have never not shared my lane, but if someone were to ask and I said no, that would be it. I would take strong offense if after I turned someone down they decided to tell me they were being polite, or it was a rhetorical question. No where at my pool, or pools that I have been, says that I have to share lanes. I just called to verify. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pmsmith - 2009-07-02 11:29 AM First, I have never not shared my lane, but if someone were to ask and I said no, that would be it. I would take strong offense if after I turned someone down they decided to tell me they were being polite, or it was a rhetorical question. No where at my pool, or pools that I have been, says that I have to share lanes. I just called to verify. At all the Ys in my area (I've used about 4 of the 8 here) the rules state that you must share your lane. In, fact, one of them, there is a very funny listing of the rules where it explicitly states that the correct answer is always "Yes, of course" and says that it is a rhetorical question. But if your pool doesn't have that rule, then you can do what you want. But I'd never swim at a place that didn't have the rule because there is no way I'm going to wait around until someone finishes... I have a life and it's hard enough to fit in training around my schedule. I wouldn't want to try to fit it in around other peoples' schedules. It's not like a treadmill where it isn't possible to share... And I generally find it's only inexperienced swimmers and grumpy old men in speedos that don't want to share. But that is just my personal experience, YMMV. |
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