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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's tax time and this is my first time filing independantly. I have a special situation where I worked in Indiana, but I'm living in SD, where all my school income currently is. On top of that I have some income from investments plus itemized deductions. Now because of the two state dealy, I'm considering using a tax prep service or an accountant. Can anyone recomend a particular service? Should I just seek out a real accountant? Should I just suck it up and do it myself? Also anyone have any idea how much tax prep usually costs? All I could find was "varries by complexity." Didn't even give me a ball park estimate. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hmmmm....never have let anyone else do my taxes...but at one point I was a graduate student earning income in Massachusetts but a resident of Rhode Island. What I recall is.... You have to pay taxes on all of it to the federal government (duh...that's important). I filled out a Massachusetts NONRESIDENT tax form. It asks you for your total income and what portions of your income came from that state and you pay taxes accordingly. Sounds like you would do this for Indiana unless you are a resident of Indiana. I filled out a Rhode Island RESIDENT tax form and paid them taxes on all my income no matter where it was earned because I was a resident of that state. So, does that make sense? Are you a resident of SD? That would help me help you. Investments are easy to figure out...the 1040 form tells ya how to do it...just follow the directions. As for itemized deductions...can't help you there, never done it. But as I recall you are single and don't own your own home? You PROBABLY are better off with the standard deduction....but I don't know your finances. Anyway, if you want to PM me more details if that didn't help I can probably help you out.... |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() okay. According to tax law what determines residency? I was a resident of Indiana while I worked there. I then moved to SD which I consider myself a resident of. My billing address is a SD billing address. All my income is now based in SD and I'm registered to vote here... So am I technically a SD resident now or do i still have to file as an IN resident? The only thing linking me to IN is my truck plates and drivers license, only because I just renewed them and they aren't up for a while. I hope I can file as a SD resident, as we don't have state income tax... Edited by vortmax 2006-02-15 10:36 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() vortmax - 2006-02-15 10:34 PM okay. According to tax law what determines residency? I was a resident of Indiana while I worked there. I then moved to SD which I consider myself a resident of. My billing address is a SD billing address. All my income is now based in SD and I'm registered to vote here... So am I technically a SD resident now or do i still have to file as an IN resident? The only thing linking me to IN is my truck plates and drivers license, only because I just renewed them and they aren't up for a while. I hope I can file as a SD resident, as we don't have state income tax... you dont need an accountant (that would be 250 - 1000). i would suggest you use a service like HR Block if you dont feel like doing all the research of doing it yourself. |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Turbo Tax. <$40 |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi Matt - I live in Illinois, work in Indiana so I'm in much the same situation (there's no reciprocal agreement between the two states). I used Turbo Tax online and paid the bucks to get the State modules as well -- walked me through all of it without any problems. Oh - and I'm certainly no accountant! And the way my taxes worked out -- all my state tax goes to Indiana because that's where I worked. On my Illinois return, I essentially get credit for having paid Indiana and owe nothing. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Do it yourself. Anecdotally, H&RBlock et. al. will charge about $100-150 to file pretty basic tax forms. Turbo-tax works pretty well. Were you a resident of Indiana (lived with parents, established a household, etc) when you earned income there last year? If so, you'd file as a resident or part-year resident (no difference if you didn't have income from another state). If you were there as a student, but really had SD as a permanent residence (see above), then you would file an Indiana Non-resident return. Indiana has reciprocity agreements with some states, so you can claim Indiana taxes witheld against your other state tax liabilities. (This us common for adjacent states, less likely in your case.) Since SD doesn't have income tax, you'll probably not have much luck convincing Indiana that you don't owe their state tax (especially since you registered your vehicle there). The way it has usually works is you'll owe the higher amount, not lesser. E.g. Indiana collects 3%, Illinois collects 3.2%: If you work in Indiana and live in Illinois, Indiana collects 3% and ultimately sends it to Illinois and you'll pay the additional 0.2% when you file your return. If you live in Indiana and work in Illinois, Illinois collects 3.2%, sends 3% to Indiana and keeps the last 0.2%. (This is the typical reciprocity.) Without reciprocity, you file a non-resident return in one state asking for a refund of all witheld taxes and pay them on your resident return. You may need to provide a copy of your resident return along with your non-resident return as justification. (It has been a while since I had to go through this.) Complicated was the year I graduated (Ohio resident with Indiana income), got married (to an Indiana resident with Indiana income), and moved to Illinois (both had Illinois income). Ugh! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2006-02-16 4:32 AM Turbo Tax. <$40 I think it comes with 1 state tax for free. So expect to pay another $30 or so for SD tax form. Then add $30 or so for various e-filings. If you don't have anything exotic like partnerships, tons itemized deductions, Alternative Minimum Tax, Farm etc, I would suggest you to use Turbo Tax. Incredibly easy to use and you ended up paying less than hiring a dude to do the taxes for you. EDIT: No income tax for SD!? Wow, that's heaven. Edited by Denise2003 2006-02-16 8:56 AM |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() okay, I think I will get turbo tax. My parents live in Indiana. I was working and going to school in Indiana, graduated, worked there for 6 months, then tore up roots and moved here. Now I live and work here with the only ties to Indiana being a bank account there and my plates still being from there. |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You don't even need to "get" it, as in going to the store. Just do it online, and you pay when you're done. And the cost for TurboTax is deductable as well. vortmax - 2006-02-16 10:47 AM okay, I think I will get turbo tax. My parents live in Indiana. I was working and going to school in Indiana, graduated, worked there for 6 months, then tore up roots and moved here. Now I live and work here with the only ties to Indiana being a bank account there and my plates still being from there. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've used a private CPA for the past 5 returns. The first three were amendments where he captured refund money TurboTax mssed. For every $1 I paid him, I got $48 back. Last year for a simple return I paid around $200. I'm not a numbers person, and am personally more comfortable with a full time CPA that someone who possibly took a crash course last Fall to earn extra money during tax season. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Turbo tax is great and very simple.... |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Matt, you cannot vote in a state in which you are not a resident. You SHOULD have had to provide a South Dakota Drivers license to GET your voter registration there. Good rule of thumb is that wherever your drivers license is, that's your state of residence and the only place you can legally vote. Car doesn't really matter as much. You could have your SD drivers license and voter registration and keep your car registered in Indiana until it expired. But once it expired you would have to register it in SD. So, I do not think you are a SD resident. Should've swapped the license when you moved and then you would only have had to pay taxes to Indiana for half the year. That is what I did when I moved to TX. Got a TX license the day I moved here in Jul 03 and thus avoided paying half a year's state taxes to RI.
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Resident Curmudgeon![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() foolproof - 2006-02-16 10:57 AM I've used a private CPA for the past 5 returns. The first three were amendments where he captured refund money TurboTax mssed. For every $1 I paid him, I got $48 back. Last year for a simple return I paid around $200. I'm not a numbers person, and am personally more comfortable with a full time CPA that someone who possibly took a crash course last Fall to earn extra money during tax season. You got $9600 back? That Turbo Tax missed? Sweet, except you gave the government a big interest-free loan. Really doesn't sound like the OP's return is complicated enough to warrant a CPA. Edited by the bear 2006-02-16 11:59 AM |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TurboTax must not have told him he didn't have to report the 30 grand he had stashed in his account on the Caymans. the bear - 2006-02-16 12:58 PM foolproof - 2006-02-16 10:57 AM I've used a private CPA for the past 5 returns. The first three were amendments where he captured refund money TurboTax mssed. For every $1 I paid him, I got $48 back. Last year for a simple return I paid around $200. I'm not a numbers person, and am personally more comfortable with a full time CPA that someone who possibly took a crash course last Fall to earn extra money during tax season. You got $9600 back? That Turbo Tax missed? Sweet, except you gave the government a big interest-free loan. Really doesn't sound like the OP's return is complicated enough to warrant a CPA. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jldicarlo - 2006-02-16 11:46 AM Matt, you cannot vote in a state in which you are not a resident. You SHOULD have had to provide a South Dakota Drivers license to GET your voter registration there. Good rule of thumb is that wherever your drivers license is, that's your state of residence and the only place you can legally vote. Car doesn't really matter as much. You could have your SD drivers license and voter registration and keep your car registered in Indiana until it expired. But once it expired you would have to register it in SD. So, I do not think you are a SD resident. Should've swapped the license when you moved and then you would only have had to pay taxes to Indiana for half the year. That is what I did when I moved to TX. Got a TX license the day I moved here in Jul 03 and thus avoided paying half a year's state taxes to RI.
Nah! I was able to take in a utility bill, show them my license (telling them I'd just moved) and get a voter registration card which generally makes one a resident. I continued to drive on my old license for almost a year more. Residency can be significantly more complicated. When we moved to Indiana, they wouldn't consider my wife a resident (for college) for a year because SHE wasn't employed (even though I was working full time). Had she moved with her parents or gotten a job, she would have been considered a resident immediately. The times I've dealth with part-year residency, they apportion taxes based on the income earned in each state, not the duration of residency. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() well i still have my indiana license and I have a SD voter registration card.... Did it at the court house. They even looked at my license as a form of ID |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nah! I was able to take in a utility bill, show them my license (telling them I'd just moved) and get a voter registration card which generally makes one a resident. I continued to drive on my old license for almost a year more. Residency can be significantly more complicated. When we moved to Indiana, they wouldn't consider my wife a resident (for college) for a year because SHE wasn't employed (even though I was working full time). Had she moved with her parents or gotten a job, she would have been considered a resident immediately. The times I've dealth with part-year residency, they apportion taxes based on the income earned in each state, not the duration of residency. True...in MANY states you have to live there a certain amount of time before they will consider you a resident. Bottom line, he STILL has to pay taxes to Indiana. And really should get a SD license if he intends to be a resident there. I think I understand what you're saying about the part-year residency, but I think you are using the wrong phrase. You are talking about earning income in a state, or paid by an employer in that state. If you're employer isn't in the state in which you have residency, it's different. I get paid by the federal government. So my taxes WERE based on my duration of time as a resident. The one time I filled out a part-year resident form I paid taxes to RI ONLY for the money I earned while I was a resident of RI...i.e. the DURATION of residency. The second I changed my residency, on any further income that year I did not owe taxes to RI. Even if my income doubled the second half of the year it didn't matter. I wasn't a resident anymore. RI couldn't touch any of that money. In Matt's case here...he definitely needs to pay taxes to Indiana on the money he earned there. And IMHO he may not truly be a SD resident and should either look into that or just pay Indiana taxes on the money he earned in SD. Typically, if SD had an income tax, SD would tax that money and Indiana would give you a credit for most or all of that. But since SD doesn't have tax...no credit. Residency definitely involves rules and if you are in doubt at all you gotta look it up or risk getting audited. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() P.S. Especially since you are a student living there (do you have another job besides that) you might not be considered a SD resident... |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() well according to the turbo tax site, I can consider myslef a resident as soon as the moving truck arrives and I have a residence. I don't have another job, but I am considered an employee of the school beacuse of my assistanceship. Fortunatly I didn't make enough last sememster to even qualify to file state taxes |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() yeah i think turbo tax is great. in 2004 i worked and lived in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. That was a fun tax year. Did it all with Turbo Tax. Oh, and like you, I had some dividends and income, etc, from some investment type stuff. It's all very easy when using T.tax.
vortmax - 2006-02-16 10:47 AM okay, I think I will get turbo tax. My parents live in Indiana. I was working and going to school in Indiana, graduated, worked there for 6 months, then tore up roots and moved here. Now I live and work here with the only ties to Indiana being a bank account there and my plates still being from there. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the more I think about it.... The majority of my income was in indiana. I didn't earn enough here to be taxable or for my tuition deduction to matter. So....if I file as an Indiana resident, don't I get to take that tuition deduction off my Indiana taxes, as well as my huge as rent payments for the year? |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I thought all the tuition deductions were on the federal taxes? Do you qualify for Lifetime Learning Credits? Because a tax credit is better than a deduction... NO idea on the rent...the only time I've been able to take a rental deduction was on my Massachusetts Non-Resident Tax Form. I've never even SEEN it on any other tax form. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bear, that's why I now use a CPA. The whole mogul thing - it just keeps getting more complicated. Jim, 'he?' That hurts. Guess I should have brought you a burrito at MiamiMan too. |
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