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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As a citizen of this country I am outraged at the Sandyhook incident. As the father of 5, I'm heartbroken over the deaths of such innocent children. As a person who lost 7 co-workers in a mass shooting in 2007 I am again reminded that you can't answer "why" in these situations. Don't try.....you'll end up in real trouble. As a Police trainer and firearms instructor I am left to dissect the incident, try to learn how we can be more effective tactically, and implement any changes that may help to save a life. As a gun owner, I am watching closely to the tide I see building. I get it. This may be the last straw. You can't kill our children. I'm sorry, no. I have listened closely the last few days. I don't hear much different. I hear ideas, I hear emotion, I hear anecdotes, I hear fear. I get fear......truly. This incident happened in a state with arguably the strictest gun control laws in the country. All 4 weapons were bought legally. The "shooter" (btw, I HATE that term.....it somehow glorifies the act. I'm a shooter....I'd never shoot at innocent, unarmed people) had no criminal record. I want to stand up and proclaim that we need to disarm ourselves. I do. Enough is enough. I have stood over hundreds of shot people. I can't even begin to imagine standing over 20 five and six year old children. It's unimaginable for anyone. It's not going to happen. I'm sorry, it's not, we will NOT disarm ourselves.. I understand that there are many who want guns to be banned, and all of the existing guns to be turned in, or re-called, or retrieved. As a father, in the wake of Sandyhook, it wouldn't take much to get me on your side. I mean it. This has to end. Again, you can't kill our children.....it's unacceptable. But this country will dissolve in revolution before it will be disarmed.....believe it. My answer? Two police officers in every school in the country. Each police department mandated to form a "school safety" division.....staffed to the highest level of each department. A National law enforcement initiative that requires as much of a complete and total security system that our best law enforcement/security minds can come up with. Why? Because I truly believe, from over 25 years experience dealing with all manner of armed citizen, that we cannot rid our society of guns......and I'm sorry, nor should we. The framers of our Constitution had it right....the PEOPLE should carry the biggest stick. I don't think our founding fathers could come close to comprehending our multi-media society. I don't think they could begin to imagine the weaponry available to our citizens. Still, they had it right. "The People" must always have the most power. It is up to us to put in place the protections to ensure that Sandyhook doesn't happen again. Teachers want to teach......Police Officers want to protect. Let's do that in the immediate aftermath, while some idiot plans a copycat. We can work on the rest.....but get used to the biggest and best armed society in the history of the world.....it's not going away. I'm sorry, it's not.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-12-16 10:16 PM As a citizen of this country I am outraged at the Sandyhook incident. As the father of 5, I'm heartbroken over the deaths of such innocent children. As a person who lost 7 co-workers in a mass shooting in 2007 I am again reminded that you can't answer "why" in these situations. Don't try.....you'll end up in real trouble. As a Police trainer and firearms instructor I am left to dissect the incident, try to learn how we can be more effective tactically, and implement any changes that may help to save a life. As a gun owner, I am watching closely to the tide I see building. I get it. This may be the last straw. You can't kill our children. I'm sorry, no. I have listened closely the last few days. I don't hear much different. I hear ideas, I hear emotion, I hear anecdotes, I hear fear. I get fear......truly. This incident happened in a state with arguably the strictest gun control laws in the country. All 4 weapons were bought legally. The "shooter" (btw, I HATE that term.....it somehow glorifies the act. I'm a shooter....I'd never shoot at innocent, unarmed people) had no criminal record. I want to stand up and proclaim that we need to disarm ourselves. I do. Enough is enough. I have stood over hundreds of shot people. I can't even begin to imagine standing over 20 five and six year old children. It's not going to happen. I'm sorry, it's not. I understand that there are many who want guns to be banned, and all of the existing guns to be turned in, or re-called, or retrieved. As a father, in the wake of Sandyhook, it wouldn't take much to get me on your side. I mean it. This has to end. Again, you can't kill our children.....it's unacceptable. My answer? Two police officers in every school in the country. Each police department mandated to form a "school safety" division.....staffed to the highest level of each department. A National law enforcement initiative that requires as much of a complete and total security system that our best law enforcement/security minds can come up with. Why? Because I truly believe, from over 25 years experience dealing with all manner of armed citizen, that we cannot rid our society of guns......and I'm sorry, nor should we. The framers of our Constitution had it right....the PEOPLE should carry the biggest stick. I don't think our founding fathers could come close to comprehending our multi-media society. I don't think they could begin to imagine the weaponry available to our citizens. Still, they had it right. "The People" must always have the most power. It is up to us to put in place the protections to ensure that Sandyhook doesn't happen again. Teachers want to teach......Police Officers want to protect. Let's do that in the immediate aftermath, while some idiot plans a copycat. We can work on the rest.....but get used to the biggest and best armed society in the history of the world.....it's not going away. I'm sorry, it's not.
Honestly, my first reaction was a snarky thought. When do I get to carry around anti-aircraft missiles? bazookas?? bunker-busting bombs??? Seriously, the founding fathers were talking about a right to bear 18th century arms. It's a different world. That said, we can't just ban guns and expect folks to turn guns in. It just isn't going to happen. I don't think there's a solution...at all. We can't arm the teachers...heck, with the stress they're under, we'd probably have more shootings if that were the case. I guess it all comes down to recognizing the sick folks out there and getting them the help they need...while sheltering society from them in the process. btw, I liked your comment on not thinking about the "why?" There is no answer, it just is. Left Brain, thanks for all you do. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't see how this would happen, but what if another couple of awful incidents were to happen and there was a constitutional amendment? What would you say then? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshR - 2012-12-16 9:31 PM I don't see how this would happen, but what if another couple of awful incidents were to happen and there was a constitutional amendment? What would you say then? Geez....I would say get ready......because the people in this country are not giving up their guns. They don't shoot people with them, and they see them as the ultimate protection of their way of life. I get that. It's what our Framers had in mind. What happened in Sandyhook was an aberration......we can deal with aberrations. We put protections in place to deal with them. We have had police officers in high schools and middle schools for years, mostly since Columbine, and it's worked. We didn't see the need for it in grade schools because the "shooters" had been students in the other incidents, and grade school kids aren't "shooters". (eh....such a wrong word to use here)....we need to change that. Our schools, at every level, need to be guarded by the best we can provide. If anything needs to me "mandated", that's it. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-12-17 2:41 PM JoshR - 2012-12-16 9:31 PM I don't see how this would happen, but what if another couple of awful incidents were to happen and there was a constitutional amendment? What would you say then? Geez....I would say get ready......because the people in this country are not giving up their guns. They don't shoot people with them, and they see them as the ultimate protection of their way of life. I get that. It's what our Framers had in mind. What happened in Sandyhook was an aberration......we can deal with aberrations. We put protections in place to deal with them. We have had police officers in high schools and middle schools for years, mostly since Columbine, and it's worked. We didn't see the need for it in grade schools because the "shooters" had been students in the other incidents, and grade school kids aren't "shooters". (eh....such a wrong word to use here)....we need to change that. Our schools, at every level, need to be guarded by the best we can provide. If anything needs to me "mandated", that's it. Every parent has a right to believe their child is safe at school. If security is the answer then I would definitely back that if I lived in the States. Here in Melbourne Australia - it is not necessary. I am glad for that. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tripolar - 2012-12-16 9:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad. Me too.....but the other constant in these incidents is "metal illness". I can't offer any knowledge/experience with how to handle that, but I know we used to do a much better job dealing with mentally ill people than we do now. It HAS to be dealt with. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't see enough support to get an amendment to amend the Bill of Rights. Thanks, LB. There already are security measures at school. There are police at High schools... and not because mass shootings. It probably is a sensible thing to do. This country is the country we live in. Incredible opportunity, incredible freedoms, incredible responsibility. You can't unweave the cloth we are made of. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-12-16 7:44 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 9:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad. Me too.....but the other constant in these incidents is "metal illness". I can't offer any knowledge/experience with how to handle that, but I know we used to do a much better job dealing with mentally ill people than we do now. It HAS to be dealt with. I agree, wholeheartedly. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-12-16 9:45 PM I don't see enough support to get an amendment to amend the Bill of Rights. Thanks, LB. There already are security measures at school. There are police at High schools... and not because mass shootings. It probably is a sensible thing to do. This country is the country we live in. Incredible opportunity, incredible freedoms, incredible responsibility. You can't unweave the cloth we are made of. Yeah, almost every High School and Middle School has a "school resource officer".....but I can tell you, we have fallen down with respect to grade schools. Hell, even those of us who have seen most every type of horror couldn't imagine this. Who kills little kids?? There are no words for it. We'll change that.....and do everything we can to stop it from happening again. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would like to see the concept and effectiveness (or lack thereof) of deintitutionalization of the mentally ill brought into discussion. I believe this is very much at the core of many issues we face. I am not advocating the idea of "round 'em up and lock 'em away". One of the outcomes of deinstitutinaliszation was to be the building of community based mental health clinics. Per the last legestlation publically signed by JFK, 2000 by 1980 then one per 100,000 population. This did not happen and as a result I believe the overall mental health of our nation has declined significantly when it could have improved significantly. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-12-16 9:45 PM I don't see enough support to get an amendment to amend the Bill of Rights. Thanks, LB. There already are security measures at school. There are police at High schools... and not because mass shootings. It probably is a sensible thing to do. This country is the country we live in. Incredible opportunity, incredible freedoms, incredible responsibility. You can't unweave the cloth we are made of. You know, that's not really true. Columbine made that happen. Maybe a few schools here and there were ahead of their time, but Columbine made us all aware and was the start of the idea of police officers in schools. We're always playing catch-up. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I get how it is a good thing that the government does not control all the guns. And I get how cops in schools with guns would help. But to me cops in schools with guns is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. And if a good thing, leads to a bad thing, then perhaps that good thing isn't so good. It would even seem to me that having cops in all schools with guns is worse for society than that society having access to guns. To me it is like America is cutting off it's nose to smite it's face with this second amendment thing. You will adjust society and security in whatever ways you can to keep people safe so that you can keep the guns even if those adjustments take away other freedoms. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BigDH - 2012-12-16 9:57 PM I get how it is a good thing that the government does not control all the guns. And I get how cops in schools with guns would help. But to me cops in schools with guns is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. And if a good thing, leads to a bad thing, then perhaps that good thing isn't so good. It would even seem to me that having cops in all schools with guns is worse for society than that society having access to guns. To me it is like America is cutting off it's nose to smite it's face with this second amendment thing. You will adjust society and security in whatever ways you can to keep people safe so that you can keep the guns even if those adjustments take away other freedoms. OK.....admittedly, in light of these kids being killed as they were, I'll listen. I have read your post....there is merit there. What do you do with 400,000,000 guns? How do you control them? You just CAN'T ignore that. The guns used this weekend were part of that 400,000,000....they weren't new guns. Edited by Left Brain 2012-12-16 10:16 PM |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BigDH - 2012-12-16 10:57 PM I get how it is a good thing that the government does not control all the guns. And I get how cops in schools with guns would help. But to me cops in schools with guns is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. And if a good thing, leads to a bad thing, then perhaps that good thing isn't so good. It would even seem to me that having cops in all schools with guns is worse for society than that society having access to guns. To me it is like America is cutting off it's nose to smite it's face with this second amendment thing. You will adjust society and security in whatever ways you can to keep people safe so that you can keep the guns even if those adjustments take away other freedoms. seriously? the issue here isn't gun control. it's how we as a society approach and deal with mental illnesses. the only aspect of that i see to gun laws is how accessible they are to those with mental illness; and i say that with personal experience. however, firearms aren't going anywhere. period. they tried that in canada, didn't work, turned over the law. tried that in britain, are banning steak knives now and kids wear "stab proof" vests. i mean, don't use Kennesaw GA as an example, you know where it is mandatory to own a gun; the town with the lowest crime rate in the country because of it. named one of the top 10 places to raise a family nationally. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() r1237h - 2012-12-16 8:35 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. And that is the kind of country you'd like to live in? Not me. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() r1237h - 2012-12-16 10:35 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. That's true. Nice. I'm just asking, not trying to put you on the spot....but almost nobody wants any part of this: What do you do about the 400,000,000 guns already in our society? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() r1237h - 2012-12-16 9:35 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. The people getting the training, and getting their license renewed are not going to be the problem. Every one of these wackos could easily do a training course. Law abiding citizen gun owners are not the problem. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tripolar - 2012-12-16 10:43 PM r1237h - 2012-12-16 8:35 PM And that is the kind of country you'd like to live in? Not me. Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. That's nice too. This is a horrible discussion to have.....watch how bad our elected govt. officials fork it up. (not willing to put a smiley here in light of Friday.....but just watch) |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have lived in two countries, one with extremely strict gun laws (Ireland) and one with out (US.) I didn't feel safer in one over the other. In college in Ireland I had classes cancelled about every other month over a bomb threat. I'm a mom- I want a solution. I hate driving by schools with cops there- it's just not right. I would love to say take guns away- but the truth is for the first time seriously in my life I want to go buy one. I really think we need to look at what and how we are teaching kids and our views on what an individual has a right to. How can 20 yo old not be confused after all of the pure hatred that permeated the last election. How can grown adults be so hateful to each other. There is no respect shown anywhere. Parents don't show it to teachers- so how will kids respect those teachers. It just seems like everyone thinks there should be a million laws and rules (the lack of them being the same as the need for them) to make everyone act how they want to. How can people learn that almost everything in life needs to compromise when our political leaders can't even be civil and hammer out a budget that needs to be a compromise. When did compromise become a dirty word- when I was growing up I was taught it was a positive move forward. We were taught that we needed to compromise in school. We were taught manners- and teachers didn't have parents telling them "you can't tell my kid what to do." At some point as a nation we will have a problem that is big enough that we need to come together and fix it- I just fear it has not gotten bad enough to bring people together. When will people get over themselves and realize that we have to function as a society for their rights to be there to defend. The truth is the majority of people just want to get the economy on the right track and moving forward- but we've lost sight of the fact that moving in the wrong direction often leads you to the right answer faster than doing nothing. Nobody is stupid- they just have a different view of the best way to move forward. I think we need to take a very strong view at the message we are giving to young people between our politics and what is shown on mainstream media. I would like one prime time show that I feel comfortable watching with my daughter- but it's all garbage. It's either way more violent than any healthy person needs to see on a weekly or daily or hourly basis, or the comments are so off color that I don't want my daughter hearing them (even on a show like dancing with the stars. My daughter loves the dancing and I have to mute out the comments.) I loved watching the Cosby show with my parents. Okay- total long rant by a very upset mom- who just wants people to learn to be civil again. Edited by Moonrocket 2012-12-16 10:52 PM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-12-16 10:43 PM r1237h - 2012-12-16 9:35 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. The people getting the training, and getting their license renewed are not going to be the problem. Every one of these wackos could easily do a training course. Law abiding citizen gun owners are not the problem.
Absolutely, I agree 100%. Still, we cannot allow our children to be killed.....we just can't. It goes further than "anecdotal" to me. We absolutely cannot allow our children to be killed. My God, I'd rush in bare handed, against any armed man, to stop it. What is the answer? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Harsher penalties for gun crimes. You possess an illegal gun, you get 50 years. You are a federal felon in possession of a gun, you get 50 years. Someone takes your gun because you failed to lock it properly, you get a very very harsh penalty. These guns are getting into the hands of people who can't legally buy them somehow, right? So you make the penalties so harsh for people who legally own them who don't store or handle them properly, and for people who are illegally possessing them, to make the penalties a deterrent. Maybe then people will start putting their guns in safes. Maybe then people won't just put them in a drawer next to their bed and leave them there where their kids can get to them or their crazy son (in this case) can get to them. Maybe people who aren't legally allowed to have guns wouldn't carry them. And actually enforce the laws and make the penalties mandatory. Law-abiding citizens still have their Second Amendment rights, yet they're held responsible for the exercising thereof. People who don't have the right to carry a gun, for whatever reason (felony, history of mental illness, etc. etc. etc.) are severely punished for carrying and therefore may think twice before leaving the house with a gun. Is that a reasonable compromise, perhaps? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-12-17 12:00 AM Harsher penalties for gun crimes. You possess an illegal gun, you get 50 years. You are a federal felon in possession of a gun, you get 50 years. Someone takes your gun because you failed to lock it properly, you get a very very harsh penalty. These guns are getting into the hands of people who can't legally buy them somehow, right? So you make the penalties so harsh for people who legally own them who don't store or handle them properly, and for people who are illegally possessing them, to make the penalties a deterrent. Maybe then people will start putting their guns in safes. Maybe then people won't just put them in a drawer next to their bed and leave them there where their kids can get to them or their crazy son (in this case) can get to them. Maybe people who aren't legally allowed to have guns wouldn't carry them. And actually enforce the laws and make the penalties mandatory. Law-abiding citizens still have their Second Amendment rights, yet they're held responsible for the exercising thereof. People who don't have the right to carry a gun, for whatever reason (felony, history of mental illness, etc. etc. etc.) are severely punished for carrying and therefore may think twice before leaving the house with a gun. Is that a reasonable compromise, perhaps? sounds like a good start to me. I'm with ya. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-12-16 10:56 PM powerman - 2012-12-16 10:43 PM r1237h - 2012-12-16 9:35 PM Tripolar - 2012-12-16 7:41 PM 2 might not be enough. Also, what are you going to do if the shooters go elsewhere to carry out their carnage, like churches, hospitals, shopping malls, sporting events, grocery stores, subways, etc.? Maybe you can adequately protect schools, but there will always be other places that people congregate. You can't protect everywhere. But I suppose the answer to this, as always, is we need more people carrying guns. It all makes me very sad.
Actually, you can. You make a bottleneck at all these places, and have security check each person as they enter, to ensure no weapons. They not only physically check the person, but are also trained to read body language, and look for other signs. While you are at it, make the requirements for owning a gun strict, with mandatory training, to be renewed every so often. Unfortunately, this is not hypothetical. Israel does this. The people getting the training, and getting their license renewed are not going to be the problem. Every one of these wackos could easily do a training course. Law abiding citizen gun owners are not the problem.
Absolutely, I agree 100%. Still, we cannot allow our children to be killed.....we just can't. It goes further than "anecdotal" to me. We absolutely cannot allow our children to be killed. My God, I'd rush in bare handed, against any armed man, to stop it. What is the answer? Look, I hate to quote myself. I'm not an emotional man.....but this CANNOT happen again. |
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