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2009-06-22 4:30 PM

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2009-06-22 4:38 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-22 5:30 PM At ironman races... like CDA yesterday, it is often broadcast that almost half the racers are doing their first IM. This is broadcast as a good thing.

My question is.... is it? I mean what happened to the other half of the people who did it the year before? Did they drop out from IMs? From triathlon altogether? 

I'm curious, can anyone enlighten me?

Maybe they decided to do a different Ironman this year? I mean, I've never done one, but from what I gather, it's quite a time commitment. Perhaps they wanted to try a different IM, or take some time off from IMing, or they only do one every few years, etc. I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion that they're out of IM or triathlon altogether.

As as for new IM'ers being a good thing? Wouldn't you be excited about your first one? Wouldn't you hope that others are excited for you? I know that there are plenty of idiots who sign up for an Ironman without knowing what to expect or not having trained properly. But I also sense that the majority HAVE put in the training - their first one has to happen SOMETIME.



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2009-06-22 4:39 PM
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I've wondered that as well.

One and done Fred?
2009-06-22 4:40 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-22 5:43 PM
KathyG - 2009-06-22 5:39 PM I've wondered that as well.

One and done Fred?


I dunno. I guess somebody could do a study and follow-up on IM participants.

It's good to bring new people into IM... I'm just wondering what happens to the people (the 50%) who did the race the previous year and are not doing an IM that year... or ever again. Even that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think what would be 'bad' would be dropping multi-sport altogether.


Of the group of friends that I started doing tris with back in '04 and '05 mostly I met through BT or my local tri club, only a couple still do tris the rest have moved on. Many did an IM or two and most never got back into racing much afterwards.


2009-06-22 5:53 PM
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I can see that happening( people doing one). I'm doing my first this year(lp) and I doubt that I will ever do another.

The time commitment is huge and it takes me away from family way too much.
In addition, there are a lot of other challenges in life to experience.

I don't have the available time to be fast at Ironman distance so I'm going to be in steady/survival mode which I think anyone can do. Racing Ironman ( like pennstate and others ) is very impressive.

It is what it is.

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2009-06-22 6:00 PM
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2009-06-22 6:09 PM
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I have done 2 so far, including CDA yesterday.  I plan on doing several more, but my wife and I make vacations out of them.  We want to do different ones each year to see different parts of the country or different countries.  IMCDA was unbelievable, but I highly doubt I'll ever do it again.  Next year it may be Arizona, Brazil, or one in Europe.  I know several of my buddies do the same thing. 

2009-06-22 6:10 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-22 2:30 PM At ironman races... like CDA yesterday, it is often broadcast that almost half the racers are doing their first IM. This is broadcast as a good thing.

My question is.... is it? I mean what happened to the other half of the people who did it the year before? Did they drop out from IMs? From triathlon altogether? 

I'm curious, can anyone enlighten me?


Unless you follow up, no way to know, but I can as easily make an argument that people perhaps go up to IM and then back to halfs, Olys, etc.  I can say for me I know the IM took a lot out of me, and I had no interest in doing one this year, and a passing interest in doing one next year.  But I love the HIM distance.  It's something I can repeat 2-3 times a year.  Not so with IM.

Also there is a big movement away from the IM brand as I see it (until WTC buys them up). 

Interesting in the CDA watching thread on ST, it was noted that the exceitement level was down from prior years, think it only got to 3 or 4 pages, if that.  They even noted that BT had more going on for CDA.  It was mentioned that, as above, people take on other challenges, adventure racing, bike racing, etc.

I'll go ahead and disagree with the premise that is has to be a "good thing" or a "bad thing."   I don't think even the "one and doners" are causing triathlons to die on the vine

ETA I don't think I care that people are doing one and checking it off their list.  You are perceiving that in the "bad thing" category.  Why?  Is there evidence that this is harmful to the sport?  

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2009-06-22 6:10 PM
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I think it's the time commitment for one. I for one plan on not leaving the lifestyle. But if your only goal is to complete an Ironman what else is there?

There's more to it than that for me.

but i do believe that the triathlon movement as a whole is growing at an eponential rate.



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geoffs - 2009-06-22 5:53 PM

I can see that happening( people doing one). I'm doing my first this year(lp) and I doubt that I will ever do another.

The time commitment is huge and it takes me away from family way too much.
In addition, there are a lot of other challenges in life to experience.

I don't have the available time to be fast at Ironman distance so I'm going to be in steady/survival mode which I think anyone can do. Racing Ironman ( like pennstate and others ) is very impressive.

It is what it is.

Geoff




It's like he took the words right out of my mouth.

This is my sixth year in the sport, coming from having no background in any endurance sport, so it's not like this is just something I needed to check off my life's "To Do" list. I plan on continuing in triathlon after my IM. But I'm a huge believer in maintaining balance in my life and I feel IM is throwing that off (my wife would wholeheartedly agree.)

Once is enough. At least for now.



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2009-06-22 6:19 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-22 4:16 PM

I'll go ahead and disagree with the premise that is has to be a "good thing" or a "bad thing."   I don't think even the "one and doners" are causing triathlons to die on the vine

ETA I don't think I care that people are doing one and checking it off their list.  You are perceiving that in the "bad thing" category.  Why?  Is there evidence that this is harmful to the sport?  


I'm not perceiving anything beyond the fact that it would be a disappointment if someone left multi-sport for life due to IM burnout.  it's an open question with no real answer.
I certainly have never said the "one and doners" are hurting the sport. I just see the health benefits of an active multi-sport lifestyle... You are reading a little too much into my post Chris...


Sorry, I thought you said the IM people said it was a good thing, and you asked whether it was a good thing or not...  

never mind then.  no further comment
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2009-06-22 6:35 PM
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For me ...

This will be my first IM ... and I probably won't do another one for a while.  We're planning on starting our family soon, and although I intend to keep doing sprints, Olys, and HIMs, I don't think I'll have time to train for another one until my not-yet-born kids are older.
2009-06-22 7:14 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-22 7:26 PM I think the I.M. Organizers did seem to think this was a good thing Chris... I simply have not passed judgment and objected to your suggestion that I had an opinion on the matter that was negative. I see both good and bad possibilities...don't see why I have to be labelled as having a judgment when I'm just asking a question I don't have an answer to.

I have heard the 50% statistic at other IM events and never really thought too much about it. Leave it to Fred to come up with a good topic for discussion that ends up with people slingin' mud.

I actually believe that over 1/2 of the participants in an IM are first timers. For those 1st timers, whether they are athletes or shoe salesmen (or women), it is a goal to shoot for. Anyone that can commit to the time it takes to train for an IM and has the discipline to follow a plan or coach CAN finish an IM. Look at how many people are volunteering at an IM just to sign up for a race the next year. I would bet that most of them are first timers.

This is my third year at the IM distance and I love it. I was in the best shape for the first one in 2007, probably because of the huge weight I put on myself for the race. I was also in the best shape because of the selfish nature of trying to be competitive at the IM level. I did 2 IM races last year and am doing 2 IM races this year and have a much more relaxed attitude about the races and training.

Life happens when you have a wife, kids, farm, work, etc. Training is not everything, family IS everything. When your family knows that training is important to you, more often than not SOME training will happen. A sheduled 6 hour ride might end up as a 3 hr ride to a kids softball game and a drive to ice cream after the game but at least something happened.

Triathlon has been a means to meet some great people, lose a lot of weight and get into the best shape of my life. With more and more IM races that are filling up as fast as they are. I wouldn't be surprised to see 75% 1st timers, for those that have families and carreers the 70.3 races are a lot more manageable to train for AFTER they finish their FIRST IM.

Just my $.02.

2009-06-22 7:14 PM
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meh.  never mind



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2009-06-22 7:28 PM
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Well, the number of races is growing, no?  So not all of those 50% new people are 'displacing' repeat IMers.

Around here, races are growing in number as well, and they are getting bigger.  That also lends some credence to the idea that maybe those who've done an IM once don't drop out completely, but just 'drop down'.  Of course, without a more careful study, it's hard to say.
2009-06-22 7:34 PM
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So who has voted in the poll on the BT home page and what did you answer?  Apparently we don't follow the statistics.
I voted that I started doing IM knowing that I would do more than one.  I did one last year and am signed up for two this year.  I've often wondered about this question myself and thought maybe the announcers were taking some liberty with the numbers.


I had planned to do ONLY ONE, and that's what I did.13 Votes - [8.39%]
I had planned to do only one, but I couldn't stop and I KEEP DOING MORE.51 Votes - [32.9%]
I started racing Ironman knowing that I would be doing more than one.91 Votes - [58.71%]



2009-06-22 7:47 PM
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Good discussion item!

I don't know if it is good or bad for the sport but I do think it is the nature of ironman.  For many, it's a bucket list item. 

Ironman does take a lot of money, time and committment.  My guess is you'll find comparable percentages of marathoners at any given marathon.

If someone does it simply for "the challange" and not for love of the sport then after they have done one, the challange is mostly gone.

If new people are being added to the sport at say about 5% per year, and about that percent is leaving the sport, then yes, statistically speaking, 1/2 of the people that did it last year will never do another IM. 

I thought it was cool that Arron's list of CDA participants included several doing their 5th IM.  That is awesome!  I hope to be there some day...God willing and the crick don't rise.

~mr

2009-06-22 7:48 PM
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The thing that turns me off on doing IM's every year is the fact that if I want to race one well it takes me out of doing a lot of the local races or even others that I like to do. Maybe others feel the same?

2009-06-22 7:52 PM
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Ironman is a very consuming endeavor --- time, money, energy.

My first IM is this year, and while I don't plan to be one-and-done, I probably will not do another one for a while.  Husby and I  are planning to have children soon, and babies + IM training + full time job is too much for me.  I will continue to do sprints and Olys and maybe some HIMs, though.

My guess is that a lot of people who are one-and-doners continue to do tris, but not at the IM level
2009-06-22 7:55 PM
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jkholden - 2009-06-22 7:34 PM So who has voted in the poll on the BT home page and what did you answer?  Apparently we don't follow the statistics.
I voted that I started doing IM knowing that I would do more than one.  I did one last year and am signed up for two this year.  I've often wondered about this question myself and thought maybe the announcers were taking some liberty with the numbers.


I had planned to do ONLY ONE, and that's what I did.13 Votes - [8.39%]
I had planned to do only one, but I couldn't stop and I KEEP DOING MORE.51 Votes - [32.9%]
I started racing Ironman knowing that I would be doing more than one.91 Votes - [58.71%]


 

I have to think though that BTers are not a representative statistical random sample!  What I mean is, for many of us here, triathloning is a social event as well a physical event/sport.  I look forward to socializing/exchanging ideas/fighting with you fine folk thoughout the year and then meeting up at some of you at some IM event.  So maybe BTers are more prone to be IM repeat offenders than the average joe loner?  Just a thought.

~Mike

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