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2012-11-05 11:40 AM

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Subject: Pennsylvania voters
What is your stance on showing ID? If asked I will decline. I have no problem with a requirement to show a valid ID, but if it's not required what's the point in asking? My act of civil defiance will be my way of saying either make it a requirement or don't ask me for it.


2012-11-05 11:45 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-11-05 12:40 PM What is your stance on showing ID? If asked I will decline. I have no problem with a requirement to show a valid ID, but if it's not required what's the point in asking? My act of civil defiance will be my way of saying either make it a requirement or don't ask me for it.

I think if it was implemented over time and concerns were addressed I would have no issues with this law. It's perfectly logical to validate that the person voting is actually the person registered.

But I'm with you, right now it's BS. When they ask I'll decline.

2012-11-05 12:17 PM
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We don't require it and nobody asks in Nebraska but I always give them my id as my own little act of defiance.  I had a guy in 2010 look away as if he wasn't supposed to actually look at my ID.  It was kind of funny.
2012-11-05 12:18 PM
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Maybe I'll show them my USAT card and see what happens.

Can't tell you how many times I've pulled it out of my wallet to pay a bill, thinking it was a credit card.

2012-11-05 12:19 PM
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Whatever you do, PLEASE don't leave our nation's future to be decided by Ohioans!
2012-11-05 12:39 PM
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I'm thinking of taking it a little further, and forcing them to admit it is not required. How? By responding "When did that become the law?".

But with where I live, I think they may not even bother to ask - it's a small town, and my polling precinct is even just a small part of that. We never have lines, even in hotly contested election cycles.



2012-11-05 12:43 PM
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My actual response will dependent on how they phrase the question (if they even ask).

In honor of my late father, if they ask me if I have ID I will simply answer "Yes" and stand there looking at them.

2012-11-05 3:59 PM
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I will be interested in seeing if they ask. Tiny town with tiny polling station, same old ladies doing the volunteering since Harding. 

Though if we wanted to make a point of civil liberty issues for the election, we had a situation years ago that still sticks in my craw. My wife's legal name is hyphenated. This drives the old ladies at the polling place nuts. They are beyond passive aggressive, one is willfully belligerent like she doesn't understand the concept. It's very much generational, and the armchair sociologist in me sees it as one of many things that they deem "modern women" that they had no need for when they were young, so why do these pushy younger people make such a big deal about it? My wife is hardly a bra-burner, and I'm more likely to throw around the term feminist than she is. 

Anyway, after being here several years, we noticed that somehow, her name was changed in the roll. Someone reduced her last name to match mine. We never made a fuss, it just amuses us more than anything, and she often just goes by the shorter version anyway. But legally, it is not correct. Come to think of it, it could cause her problems, especially in a very heavy red area where they call out the party of the voter at the primaries, and she has had the experience of being the 5th democratic vote all day, voting after work at 5pm. 

This could get interesting. 

2012-11-05 4:22 PM
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pitt83 - 2012-11-05 1:19 PM Whatever you do, PLEASE don't leave our nation's future to be decided by Ohioans!

 

Gee, thanks!  Just because we wear tree nuts around our necks and call it "team spirit" does not mean we are bad guys!

2012-11-05 4:47 PM
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TheClaaaw - 2012-11-05 4:59 PM

I will be interested in seeing if they ask. Tiny town with tiny polling station, same old ladies doing the volunteering since Harding. 

Though if we wanted to make a point of civil liberty issues for the election, we had a situation years ago that still sticks in my craw. My wife's legal name is hyphenated. This drives the old ladies at the polling place nuts. They are beyond passive aggressive, one is willfully belligerent like she doesn't understand the concept. It's very much generational, and the armchair sociologist in me sees it as one of many things that they deem "modern women" that they had no need for when they were young, so why do these pushy younger people make such a big deal about it? My wife is hardly a bra-burner, and I'm more likely to throw around the term feminist than she is. 

Anyway, after being here several years, we noticed that somehow, her name was changed in the roll. Someone reduced her last name to match mine. We never made a fuss, it just amuses us more than anything, and she often just goes by the shorter version anyway. But legally, it is not correct. Come to think of it, it could cause her problems, especially in a very heavy red area where they call out the party of the voter at the primaries, and she has had the experience of being the 5th democratic vote all day, voting after work at 5pm. 

This could get interesting. 

A liberal in Pennsyltucky. You should have volunteered for this episode of This American Life. Sounds exactly like your situation!

Ira Glass rides around with a man in the man's hometown...a man who doesn't want us to say his name on the radio. Why? Because he's secretly a Democrat, in a small town dominated by Republicans. (5 1/2 minutes)



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2012-11-05 5:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Pennsylvania voters
Aysel - 2012-11-05 5:22 PM

pitt83 - 2012-11-05 1:19 PM Whatever you do, PLEASE don't leave our nation's future to be decided by Ohioans!

 

Gee, thanks!  Just because we wear tree nuts around our necks and call it "team spirit" does not mean we are bad guys!



I have no problem with this. You hate Michigan and Penn State, so we're allies of sorts...


2012-11-05 5:21 PM
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I voted absentee, because I'm currently in the UK. But I still had to provide the numbers of my DL for my absentee ballot request. I did it, because I didn't have a ton of time to argue with people and I was worried I wouldn't get my ballot in time.

But yes, you are NOT required to show ID at the polls in PA.
2012-11-05 5:56 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-05 5:47 PM 

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A liberal in Pennsyltucky. You should have volunteered for this episode of This American Life. Sounds exactly like your situation!

Ira Glass rides around with a man in the man's hometown...a man who doesn't want us to say his name on the radio. Why? Because he's secretly a Democrat, in a small town dominated by Republicans. (5 1/2 minutes)

I listened to that episode this week. What I found amusing was that many of my friends here are very much deep red republicans, yet it pretty much is never an issue. They know I lean left, I know they lean right. But we do all kinds of things together, and pretty much never talk politics. I think it is because we ARE engaged in non-political ways, and therefore don't have stereotyped views of the "other side".  Plus, we know that at the end of the day, nothing we say or do really changes any policies or affects the way the government operates. So when we go biking/hiking/diving/paddling/climbing, we talk about our lives, our kids, our work - but not so much about government and politics.

2012-11-05 6:05 PM
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gearboy - 2012-11-05 6:56 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-05 5:47 PM 

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A liberal in Pennsyltucky. You should have volunteered for this episode of This American Life. Sounds exactly like your situation!

Ira Glass rides around with a man in the man's hometown...a man who doesn't want us to say his name on the radio. Why? Because he's secretly a Democrat, in a small town dominated by Republicans. (5 1/2 minutes)

I listened to that episode this week. What I found amusing was that many of my friends here are very much deep red republicans, yet it pretty much is never an issue. They know I lean left, I know they lean right. But we do all kinds of things together, and pretty much never talk politics. I think it is because we ARE engaged in non-political ways, and therefore don't have stereotyped views of the "other side".  Plus, we know that at the end of the day, nothing we say or do really changes any policies or affects the way the government operates. So when we go biking/hiking/diving/paddling/climbing, we talk about our lives, our kids, our work - but not so much about government and politics.

Busted, listening to NPR!

Looking forward to taking my son voting tomorrow, his first time. Our polling place is a block away from the house in CC Philly. Not to many Republicans.

2012-11-05 6:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Pennsylvania voters

I'll show mine if asked.

What are the dead people in South Philly gonna say when they're asked?

2012-11-05 6:19 PM
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dontracy - 2012-11-05 6:07 PM

I'll show mine if asked.

What are the dead people in South Philly gonna say when they're asked?

I believe they'll say something like... "Brains, need more Brains..."



2012-11-05 6:21 PM
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I was asked for ID last week 
in order to buy a butane lighter
in preparation for Sandy. 

2012-11-05 7:05 PM
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If asked, I would show it.  Maybe my time in the military broke me of any rights to privacy.

From what I understand, the law was stopped from being fully implemented by the courts at the last minute, which is why we have the "ask for ID, but not required to vote", problem.  I think the argument was that there wasn't enough time for people to get IDs by tomorrow.

What really kind of disturbed me before was the lack of ID required at the polls.  It seems like it would have been all too easy for someone to walk in and vote for someone else, with a half-baked signature.

I appreciate the concern of those who may not have ID, and support the idea of a provisional ballot, so they can cast their vote, and follow up with paperwork later.

 

 

 

 

2012-11-05 7:08 PM
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tuwood - 2012-11-05 7:19 PM
dontracy - 2012-11-05 6:07 PM

I'll show mine if asked.

What are the dead people in South Philly gonna say when they're asked?

I believe they'll say something like... "Brains, need more Brains..."

Wit or witout?

2012-11-05 7:22 PM
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mrbbrad - 2012-11-04 1:43 PM

In honor of my late father, if they ask me if I have ID I will simply answer "Yes" and stand there looking at them.

 

WIN.  

2012-11-05 7:43 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-05 8:08 PM

tuwood - 2012-11-05 7:19 PM
dontracy - 2012-11-05 6:07 PM

I'll show mine if asked.

What are the dead people in South Philly gonna say when they're asked?

I believe they'll say something like... "Brains, need more Brains..."

Wit or witout?



Wit, whiz. Plain brains need condiments.


2012-11-06 4:40 AM
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Honestly I thought you were always required to show ID to vote. I live in the middle of nowhere though and everyone knows everyone else so I have never been asked to show it.
2012-11-06 7:12 AM
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Not required here in Texas unless you don't sign your voter registration card BEFORE you hand it to the voting official. I signed it and then she asked me for ID because it wasn't signed beforehand! Seems like a perfectly fail safe system to me.
2012-11-06 7:30 AM
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Looks like the New Black Panthers are out again.  I'm guessing they're checking for ID's before people go into polling stations.  That's mighty nice of them. 
2012-11-06 8:45 AM
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Curses, foiled again! Since I am voting for the first time since registering in PA (this time around... I was registered in PA for many years before moving to NJ, and was registered in MD before that) I was required to show ID.
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