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2008-08-12 10:04 AM

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Subject: Reflectors

In an effort not to hijack any of the "got hit by car" threads, I was thinking about reflector.  Many of us take off reflectors to drop weight.  If I got hit by a car, could the driver use this against me in court?  Are we technically breaking the law?

I read an article (posted on BT) of a cyclist killing a walking pedestrian because he didn't want to slow down.  While this was 100% the cyclists fault, one thing mentioned was his lack of reflectors.  Could this be turned around if the cyclist is the innocent person?

ETA:  Do any of you BTers out there take them off for races and then replace them afterwards?



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2008-08-12 10:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors
I have nothing to back this up, but I believe it's like tearing the tag off your pillow. The manufacturer is required to provide them and you using them is optional. From what I've read: Lights are required by law after dark, both front and rear. Reflectors aren't sufficient.
2008-08-12 10:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors
It probably varies by state, but reflectors generally aren't required by law after dark...headlights and tail lights are. So, as long as you're complying with the law, you should be fine.
2008-08-12 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors

The Louisiana law requires reflectors and lights:

Every bicycle when in use at nighttime shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible from a distance of at least five (5) hundred feet tot eh front and with a red reflector on the rear and a reflector on each side facing outward at the right angle to the bicycle frame, all of a type approved by the department which shall be visible from all distances within six (6) hundred feet to one hundred feet to the rear when directly in front of lawful lower beams of headlamps on a motor vehicle. A lamp emitting a red light visible from a distance of five (5) hundred feet to the rear may be used in addition to the red reflector. 

After December 31, 1974 no person shall sell or offer for sale any bicycle unless such a bicycle is equipped with at least one red reflector on the rear and one reflector on each side as required by this section. This section shall not apply to bicycles while engaged in sanctioned competition races.

But note especially the last sentence .



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2008-08-12 2:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors
2008-08-12 3:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors
steveseer - 2008-08-12 11:04 AM
ETA: Do any of you BTers out there take them off for races and then replace them afterwards?



Steve,

I took my reflectors off for one race this year and leave them off because they are kind of a pain to put back on. When training, I use a blinky light in the front and rear, even in the day. Those two items are really easy to take off and put on for races/training, and I feel they give me good visibility.

I also always wear a brightly colored shirt. AND, I sit upright when going thru high traffic spots, or if I see oncoming cars in turn lanes ahead of me. Sitting upright makes me more visible.

I made a video blog of all the junk I take off my bike for races. In the blog, I am talking about Over the Mountain race, and wanting to get 19mph. I did achieve that goal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxrDyM2bETA

PS: at the end, I say "tested out my new bike". It's not a new bike, it's three years old. I meant "test out my newly tweaked and stripped down bike". I spent a ton of time early this season tweaking my aero position. Just wanted to make clear that this bike is not new, since I won that Valdora bike (haven't gotten it yet, btw).




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2008-08-12 9:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Reflectors

Laws vary state to state.  But getting clear information is tough. I just looked up what the law is in Pennsylvania.  I found two references.  One stated (w/r/t side reflectors) that the operator of a "pedalcycle" (there's a great term) "may" supplement the required front light (between sunset and sunrise), the other stated that side reflectors "shall" be used - the former indicating it to be optional and the latter to be required. 

The best part is that the side reflectors in both references are supposed to be amber, yet all the bikes I have ever bought in PA (9 or 10, counting the kids' bikes) have had white reflectors on the wheels, which technically would either be unnecessary or illegal (depending on whether I "may" or I "shall" use them).

On a practical basis, using reflectors does not really enhance safety during daytime hours, as there is no headlight to reflect off them.  What I do, in practice, is leave reflectors on the kids' bikes, so I don't have to worry about them forgetting to use lights at dusk. But I removed them from my bikes.  I keep a red flasher on the back of the seat bags of each bike to turn on at dusk, and I have several small lights that slip easily onto the front of a bike if I expect to cut it close coming home on a ride at dusk.  I try not to ride at nighttime, since the more powerful lights are (a)expensive and (b)hard to keep topped off without causing battery problems (at least in my experience).

Of course, a relatively cheap solution could be to use a Sure Fire flashlight with a bungee attachment to the bike or helmet - those things give a ton of light!

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