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2009-07-17 4:33 PM

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First off, I'm not a swimmer by trade, so be gentle with me. I taught myself freestyle a few years ago, with a reasonable amount of success. Took some lessons over the spring to tweak anything glaringly wrong, and even started swimming fast(er)--got to about 1:35/100 yd average, which is still slow, but fast for me!

So today, my boss, who's apparently a former college swimmer himself, was talking to me about my workout and asked "Do you do the S stroke?"

(Um. Not sure. What the heck is the S stroke?) He showed me how, as your hand comes past your body after it enters the water, you're supposed to make a slight S drawing with your hand/arm.

My main focus has been on keeping my elbows high through the stroke (someone on here once described it as imagining you had a board under your body and you couldn't straighten your arms, sort of like a surfboard). So, I'm pretty good at not straightening my arms under water and keeping my elbows high. But I've never really paid that much attention to whether or not I make an S shape. In fact, I think I've been purposefully trying to make one straight line after my hand enters the water. Boss said if you do the S pattern, you'll totally change the way you swim (i.e. faster). The coach I took lessons with never said anything about this.

Then again, it's hard to disagree with your boss/former swimmer extraordinaire.


2009-07-17 4:38 PM
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So, I've never heard it referred to as the "S" stroke, but it sounds like your boss is referring to the under-water skulling motion. The idea is, making this type of motion under the water helps you move more water past you. Many people do freestyle with great arm shapes ABOVE the water, but then just pull straight back from in front of you to your hip. My old swim team days remind me of when you were supposed to draw an "hourglass" from when your hand hits the water until when your arm comes up for the next stroke.

This is definitely something that is hard to change in your swimming habits, but when done correctly, can definitely increase your efficiency in the water. You pull a lot more water with this motion than with a straight pull backwards.
2009-07-17 4:48 PM
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Don't worry about it.
2009-07-17 4:57 PM
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starfsh106 - 2009-07-17 4:38 PM So, I've never heard it referred to as the "S" stroke, but it sounds like your boss is referring to the under-water skulling motion. The idea is, making this type of motion under the water helps you move more water past you. Many people do freestyle with great arm shapes ABOVE the water, but then just pull straight back from in front of you to your hip. My old swim team days remind me of when you were supposed to draw an "hourglass" from when your hand hits the water until when your arm comes up for the next stroke. This is definitely something that is hard to change in your swimming habits, but when done correctly, can definitely increase your efficiency in the water. You pull a lot more water with this motion than with a straight pull backwards.


i know exactly what you're talking about but i've never heard it referred to as an S stroke.  This was something i learned from swim team days as well.  I can't imagine how my stroke would be without it.
2009-07-18 7:40 AM
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There was a time that it was thought doing an "S" was best.  It is not current thinking and I would not do it.  If you are curious go on YouTube and search for freesytle s and you can see it.  I would highly recommend not changing to it.  I think 1:35 is pretty good.  How long can you hold it?
2009-07-18 9:51 AM
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bartturner - 2009-07-18 6:40 AM There was a time that it was thought doing an "S" was best.  It is not current thinking and I would not do it.  If you are curious go on YouTube and search for freesytle s and you can see it.  I would highly recommend not changing to it.  I think 1:35 is pretty good.  How long can you hold it?


x2 It opens your shoulder up to getting injured more than just a straight pull.


2009-07-18 10:02 AM
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I spoke to my swimcoach about it when I started swimtraining after a 20 year layoff. At the time S stroke was the big thing. These days just pull as you would be pull on a rope that is a comfortable distance from your chest.. that is the way it was explained to me and I just do that, make sure I dont cross my strokes, pass my hand as close to my hip as pos.
Works for me, dont even think about the S stroke
2009-07-18 9:25 PM
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The stroke is not a big 'S', nor is it straight back. There is a subtle scull to the stroke that some call an 'S'. My experience has been that this is not the reason for injury. More times than not, injury comes from poor rotation which forces your shoulders to move in ways that ultimately cause tendonitis. Good rotation will let the shoulders move up and down. Poor rotation will cause the shoulders to move in a circular motion.

Keep in mind that because you are moving in 3 dimensions, your pull is essentially your only steering mechanism, so pulling 'straight' back will not really work. Your hand hits the water and creates lift, as you pull there is rotation that needs to be done, along the way you need to steer, oh yeah there is that breathing thing to throw into the mix, etc. etc. 

Take a look at the greatest swimmer of all time and see if his pull is straight back (or for that matter, a big "S").  On a side note, take a look at the above water, head on view. Notice all the angle changes in his hand. Just more proof that swimming is a tough thing to learn. If you want to copy a stroke, this is probably the one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax77_hHq9Dc
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