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2008-07-03 3:11 PM

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Subject: Camelbak in HIMs
Thinking about buying a camelbak (70 ounces) for HIMs. Been told they are horribly unaero and also have been told they are the best aero option. Would be no need to refill in a HIM and no need to get off my aerobars. I figure it would eliminate my bottles, cages, and gear holder behind seat (could put CO2, tube etc in camelbak pocket). I use infinit as my sole nutrition so I really like to idea of being able to get aero and not move from that position for the entire ride.
With this being said I do want to be a competitive 20-24 AG'er next year and fight for a spot in Clearwater. Is camelbak a good option or is something else much more aero? Is one 'backpack hydration system' better for tri specific racing than others?

Other considering factors are: I saw the neverreach but dunno where I'd keep my tools and 40 ounces won't cut it in my bike split. I have an ibike so cannot do hydration between aerobars. My AVG training ride speed is 20MPH, averaged 20.5 in my last 70.3. Only been riding for 3 months before that so should get much faster with time. Thanks for your input


2008-07-03 4:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
I've done it  for an aqua bike HIM and reg HIM,, i didn't really like it,, when it gets emply it moves around a lot, at least mine did. there was the whole getting it on and off quickly thing, which really it isnt that bad.  I don't think getting out of aero to drink is all that bad.. just my opinion though
2008-07-03 4:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
I've yet to do a HIM (first one next year) but I would hope there are water stations on the course where you can grab a new bottle?  I have some cheap $1 Wal-mart bottles that I could care less if I never got them back so if that meant dropping them at the water station then so be it.

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2008-07-03 8:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

I used a CamelBak in my first HIM a couple of weeks ago. It was really hot (93+) and I sweat a lot. By 40 miles on the bike, I had drained a 70oz CamelBak of water, 20 oz of Gatorade, and 2-20oz bottles of water (though a lot of that water went over my head).

I was originally worried about the aerodynamics, but the truth is, I don't go fast enough that any gain in aerodynamics would outweigh the benefit of having enough water. Additionally, I know I am more likely to drink when I have the CamelBak tube in front of me, than I do when just using bottles.

I think there is no right or wrong: I'd go with what you are most comfortable with. I had trained with the CamelBak and knew it worked for me.

2008-07-04 8:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
I think you're putting waaaay too much emphasis on trying to stay completely aero for 2.5 hours.  I'm betting the discomfort of a camelback would outweigh anything you think you might gain.  Why not an aerobottle up front and refill at aid stations.  You can grab bottles and still maintain a decent speed. It really doesn't take that much time to deal with it.  Good luck.
2008-07-04 9:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
Did USAT change the rules? Two years ago camelbacks wee illegal in USAT races. From a couple things I read the hump it makes on the back actually can help aerodynamics, sounds odd but I watched a special with LA and they had him where a silicone device under his jersy on his back in a wind tunnel and it improved his aerodynamics.


2008-07-04 11:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

A Camelbak is $30, $20 if you shop smart online. Get one, take it on a few training rides and see how it works out. Personally, I love it and do all my races exc/sprints with it. I don't know that I would recommend also putting your tubes, tools, etc. in there--it gets pretty heavy and at least the liquid you're draining from it will take away from the weight, whereas the hardware won't.

I ALSO take an extra nutrition bottle and water bottle. It's going to be hard to do your HIM without them.

Nothing wrong with a neverreach and a saddlebag, too. Birkie's right (he's always right)--at this point, your aero factor from hydration is not going to make that much of a difference.

2008-07-04 11:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
When in doubt, do what the pros do. Go look up a list of the top 70.3 finishers and see what type of hydration they used. I think most [all?] go with bottles in cages and aero bottles [I know you said that's not an option for you].

Also, David Warden, host of Tri Talk Triathlon Podcast [www.tri-talk.com] did a report on the aerodynamic effects of different hydration configurations. If my memory serves me Camelbak was 3 or 4 on the list behind:

1. Profile Design Aero Drink
2. 1 bottle on the down tube
3. bottles on the down and seat tubes

Search back through the episode transcripts to find out for sure.
2008-07-05 8:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

VinemanCalifornia - 2008-07-03 3:11 PM  I have an ibike so cannot do hydration between aerobars.

ooops, I didn't catch that the first time.  what the heck is an ibike? 

I used one bottle of Infinit on my downtube and a single bottle on my X-Lab Carbon wing during my last HIM (pic here ).  I would take supplemental liquids at aid stations but only take one swig from the bottle before throwing it to the side at the garbage cans they set up.  The Carbon Wing has a storage area where you can put a spare tubular and tools inside a pouch. You do have to get out of aero to reach the bottle but I think its fairly easy and time loss is minimal if you practice switching bottles on training rides.

 

2008-07-05 3:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

I just did my first HIM last weekend and used 2 water bottles in my cages and my areo bottle.  I used my cheepest bottles in the cages and exchanged them at the bottle exchanges.  It worked really well.  To use a Camelbak for long distances really hurts my back for some reason. 

 

2008-07-05 6:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
Thanks for the input guys. Seems like with most things, the use of a camlebak depends highly on personal preference. I am going to get a 50 oz camelbak and keep one bottle on my downtube. The camelbak is only $30 so I figure if I don't like it no biggie.


2008-10-14 5:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
Birkierunner - 2008-07-05 8:22 AM

I used one bottle of Infinit on my downtube and a single bottle on my X-Lab Carbon wing during my last HIM (pic here ).  

 Take a look at the pic,  ive heard that is one of the best ways to slow down due to drag --breaks the wind line going down your back.

2008-10-14 5:49 PM
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Christian Vande Velde was wearing a camelback on his TT in the TdF this year.  He wore it under his bike jersey which probably made it much more aero.  I have not thought of this for tri but it makes sense.  Put 70oz worth of the good stuff (your nutrition) and grab waters when you need them.

 

I think I will practice with that set up...I have several cbacks just collecting dust.may be too much work getting it under the jersey though

 

I understand the pros dont use them but they also have special nutrition ready for them and are spending much less time overall.  Kinda like marathons...the pro's have there special bottles ready while we shlep the fuel belt or deal with powerade.

2008-10-14 9:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

Given your requirements - HIM distance/time, no aero bottle, Infinit for both hydration and fuel - a camelbak might be an ok option for you. Try it in training and see what you think.

Though I agree with the previous post about maybe being overly focused on staying totally aero the whole time. There's something to be said for sitting up for a few seconds, slowing down, taking a few breaths, getting a fresh cold gatorade or water and then getting back work. Especially at mile 45 on a hot race day. That camelbak will likely have your back and your Inifinit near the boiling point by then.

2008-10-16 4:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
Aero drink bottle should be plenty.  Generally there are aid stations every 10 miles in HIM so why start out with 4+ lbs of water on your back when you can grab 1 lbs every 10 miles.  I use mine for training but never for a race.
2008-10-16 5:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
I wore one for my first race because I was not aware of what to expect.  I didn't during my second.  I just made sure I had plenty of cages on the bike to load up...


2008-10-17 9:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs
As someone said above the Neverreach is also an option, you can load up up to 64 oz of water/gatoraid, whatever and have it on the frame and not on your back. You also have a tube mounted on the handle bars that you can just suck on whenever and can fill it on the go. You can always start with like 40 oz and just toss water or gatoraid from the course in it as you go and then you just need your nutrition up front.
2008-10-20 5:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Camelbak in HIMs

VinemanCali,

Here is what I use... http://www.fuelbelt.com/outdoor/hydration.html

 Not having to stop/slow at aid stations is great, as is knowing that I'll be getting exactly what I need.

 I don't run any bottles behind my seat but do put my spare gear inside bike bottles that I mount on the frame.  70 oz would be a lot of fluid for me, but you likely know your own needs from training.  

The one type of race where I wouldn't use this set up would be a really hot one -- I find that having something on my spine slows cooling.

 Hope this helps,

gordo

 

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