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2008-07-11 2:49 PM


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Subject: Why are "most" wetsuits black?
So, ever since the recent shark attack at Solana Beach this question has been bothering me for a while, and I can't think of a convincing answer. I'm guessing it has something to do with the materials and how they're produced? Or maybe it's more of an aesthetic reason than anything else, as black is usually a more popular color? And I do realize that there are wetsuits of more varying colors now.

Otherwise why wouldn't wetsuit manufacturers start making other color (i.e. white) wetsuits? I mean, from a logical standpoint, it makes total sense. One of the primary reasons why sharks often mistake us for seals is, DUH, b/c we have a black/dark skin when we wear a wetsuit! But if we were WHITE, what the heck would we look like? No idea, but chances are most animals would be just as confused and leave us the heck alone. Also, why the heck do they make it the one color where we can heat up like crazy? And lastly, wouldn't it make more sense to make it a light color so as to be able to see us in open water better instead of blending right in with the dark water color, and it would reflect light thus making us even more visible?

I don't know about you, but if they made white wetsuits, I'd definitely get one.

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2008-07-11 2:54 PM
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It's only speculation that sharks mistake us for seals. More likely, they're attracted to thrashing, since sharks don't see well (esp. in murky waters). Different color suits wouldn't help in that case, and actually might attract them more if contrasting colors were used.

That being said, wetsuits (esp. surfing wetsuits) used to be all kinds of crazy neon colors. Thankfully, the '80s ended.

2008-07-11 3:02 PM
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[sigh] here we go again.  I'd like to see your research as to why sharks mistake humans for seals and sea lions.  I dive, swim and surf in So Cal and am pretty up on this stuff.  Never seen confirmation of your theory.  it's not so "duh"

Number of reasons your theory is wong, most especially because color is absorbed underwater, starting with red, then moving through the prism as you go deeper and/or further from the subject.  If you cut yourself and start bleeding at 20 or 30 feet, the blood will look green (the only reason underwater photos look correct is due to artifical light, i.e., strobes).  COlors are also absorbed by the preence of water between the lens (eye) and the subject.  Shark from 20 feet is not going to see color.  I know, because a diver at 20 feet away does not see color.  Just shades, at best.

Second, sharks (well, great whites anyway) tend to hunt from below in areas where they feed and visibility is very poor.  And they are looking up.  Even if the viz is bad, what happens when you look up at something that is backlit?  Take a look at this link and tell me what color the animal is....  (sorry, link is obnoxious but I don't know how to shortenhttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB057871.jpg%3Fsize%3D572%26uid%3D%257BA3B7BFA7-C9B1-4585-BF2C-351965649176%257D&imgrefurl=http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx%3FCID%3Disg%26mediauid%3DA3B7BFA7-C9B1-4585-BF2C-351965649176&h=267&w=400&sz=19&tbnid=GtCHk62mniMJ::&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBeluga%2Bwhale%2Bsilhouette%2Bphoto&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

And that is on a clear day with sunshine.  Now subtract about 80 foot of visibility

Of course, you can always order a custom wetsuit in any color you want.  I've seen green, yellow, orange, camouflage, all sorts of colors.



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2008-07-11 3:06 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-07-11 4:02 PM

[Take a look at this link and tell me what color the animal is....  (

You found a black beluga whale? That's pretty awesome.

2008-07-11 3:06 PM
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2008-07-11 3:07 PM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-07-11 4:06 PM

run4yrlif - 2008-07-11 2:54 PM
That being said, wetsuits (esp. surfing wetsuits) used to be all kinds of crazy neon colors. Thankfully, the '80s ended.

You sure about that?

I took this pic 5 weeks ago in Oklahoma.

I'm pretty sure he can be seen from space.

I guess everything comes back around.

Come to think of it...I do have this swimsuit that matches pretty much perfectly....



2008-07-11 3:11 PM
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then I hope this keeps going and we don't see any more for a while!
2008-07-11 3:19 PM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-07-11 1:06 PM

run4yrlif - 2008-07-11 2:54 PM
That being said, wetsuits (esp. surfing wetsuits) used to be all kinds of crazy neon colors. Thankfully, the '80s ended.

You sure about that?

I took this pic 5 weeks ago in Oklahoma.

I'm pretty sure he can be seen from space.

...with the matching swim cap to boot! If this guy is not carefull, he'll have people turning in front of him thinking they just passed a swim buoy!!

2008-07-11 3:20 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-07-11 4:02 PM

[sigh] here we go again.  I'd like to see your research as to why sharks mistake humans for seals and sea lions.  I dive, swim and surf in So Cal and am pretty up on this stuff.  Never seen confirmation of your theory.  it's not so "duh"

Number of reasons your theory is wong, most especially because color is absorbed underwater, starting with red, then moving through the prism as you go deeper and/or further from the subject.  If you cut yourself and start bleeding at 20 or 30 feet, the blood will look green (the only reason underwater photos look correct is due to artifical light, i.e., strobes).  COlors are also absorbed by the preence of water between the lens (eye) and the subject.  Shark from 20 feet is not going to see color.  I know, because a diver at 20 feet away does not see color.  Just shades, at best.

Second, sharks (well, great whites anyway) tend to hunt from below in areas where they feed and visibility is very poor.  And they are looking up.  Even if the viz is bad, what happens when you look up at something that is backlit?  Take a look at this link and tell me what color the animal is....  (sorry, link is obnoxious but I don't know how to shortenhttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB057871.jpg%3Fsize%3D572%26uid%3D%257BA3B7BFA7-C9B1-4585-BF2C-351965649176%257D&imgrefurl=http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx%3FCID%3Disg%26mediauid%3DA3B7BFA7-C9B1-4585-BF2C-351965649176&h=267&w=400&sz=19&tbnid=GtCHk62mniMJ::&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBeluga%2Bwhale%2Bsilhouette%2Bphoto&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

And that is on a clear day with sunshine.  Now subtract about 80 foot of visibility

Of course, you can always order a custom wetsuit in any color you want.  I've seen green, yellow, orange, camouflage, all sorts of colors.

 

I'd make a crappy shark.  I thought it was a Mola Mola at first glance. 

 

2008-07-11 3:28 PM
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I agree with most of the responses. Here's my dorky 2 cents. With all that said why are many aquatic animals white on the bottom, dark on top? Orca, GW Shark, Penguin. I'm curious about the white wetsuit idea. From a fashion standpoint I fear the day, from an analytical standpoint I wonder...

p.s. the murky water, blood scent for miles, thrashing about all are contributing factors too.
2008-07-11 3:39 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-07-11 1:02 PM

[sigh] here we go again.  I'd like to see your research as to why sharks mistake humans for seals and sea lions.  I dive, swim and surf in So Cal and am pretty up on this stuff.  Never seen confirmation of your theory.  it's not so "duh"

Number of reasons your theory is wong, most especially because color is absorbed underwater, starting with red, then moving through the prism as you go deeper and/or further from the subject.  If you cut yourself and start bleeding at 20 or 30 feet, the blood will look green (the only reason underwater photos look correct is due to artifical light, i.e., strobes).  COlors are also absorbed by the preence of water between the lens (eye) and the subject.  Shark from 20 feet is not going to see color.  I know, because a diver at 20 feet away does not see color.  Just shades, at best.



Oh ok. My bad. I was posting based on my prior notions. I was in no way preaching that what I was saying was 100% (or even %20) correct. Hope I didn't cause you too much grief I was hoping for more clarification from knowledgable people like you. So you're saying color "wouldn't" make a difference to sharks then? Something tells me even if we were invisible sharks would still know we were "there".

Anyway, aside from this being shot down, my other two points still stand. I don't know anything about how light is perceived under water, but I know how it works above... at least I would hope so...


2008-07-11 3:44 PM
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Super_Rob - 2008-07-11 1:28 PM I agree with most of the responses. Here's my dorky 2 cents. With all that said why are many aquatic animals white on the bottom, dark on top? Orca, GW Shark, Penguin. I'm curious about the white wetsuit idea. From a fashion standpoint I fear the day, from an analytical standpoint I wonder... p.s. the murky water, blood scent for miles, thrashing about all are contributing factors too.

According to Discovery (HD of course!) fishes have light to the bottom so that they are a bit more camoflaged from beneath...a predator looks up and just sees light. Most marine animals eyes are not that fine tuned. Also if you are looking down into the deep, a dark top hides you better from raptors (birds of prey) and gives sharks and other marine predators a better chance of sneaking up with out alerting the prey...man I need to find some work to do...

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Super_Rob - 2008-07-11 1:28 PM I agree with most of the responses. Here's my dorky 2 cents. With all that said why are many aquatic animals white on the bottom, dark on top? Orca, GW Shark, Penguin. I'm curious about the white wetsuit idea. From a fashion standpoint I fear the day, from an analytical standpoint I wonder... p.s. the murky water, blood scent for miles, thrashing about all are contributing factors too.

According to Discovery (HD of course!) fishes have light to the bottom so that they are a bit more camoflaged from beneath...a predator looks up and just sees light. Most marine animals eyes are not that fine tuned. Also if you are looking down into the deep, a dark top hides you better from raptors (birds of prey) and gives sharks and other marine predators a better chance of sneaking up with out alerting the prey...man I need to find some work to do...also...with that hat...you're screwed whatever you're wearing!

2008-07-11 4:49 PM
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This is great - I was going to ask this question from a fashion perspective yesterday but decided it seemed silly (from the angle I was asking, anyway). I suppose it still is, but here goes.

I was talking with my mom about my new wetsuit and she asked what color it was and I said, "Um...black...they're all black" and then started wondering why that was. I would totally rock a pink/red/blue/etc. wetsuit if I could get one in the right fit and all that. I figured it was just because the wetsuit material could only be made in black. I googled "pink wetsuit" and saw a couple of surfing wetsuits with pink underneath the arms and on the sides, but no all pink ones.
2008-07-11 9:13 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-07-11 4:02 PM

If you cut yourself and start bleeding at 20 or 30 feet, the blood will look green

That's pretty cool the first few times you see it.

Not that I was bleeding buckets of blood, but whenever I've cut myself underwater the sharks never really seemed to care all that much.  But whenever I play "injured fish" and wiggle around a bit, they immediately take notice and come in close to see what's going on.  Sometimes I'm in a swimsuit and sometimes I'm in wetsuits of various colors and styles, but it doesn't appear to influence things one way or the other.  Alas, one of my wetsuits in fact is a 1988 neon yellow O'Neill.



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Super_Rob - 2008-07-11 1:28 PM I agree with most of the responses. Here's my dorky 2 cents. With all that said why are many aquatic animals white on the bottom, dark on top? Orca, GW Shark, Penguin. I'm curious about the white wetsuit idea. From a fashion standpoint I fear the day, from an analytical standpoint I wonder... p.s. the murky water, blood scent for miles, thrashing about all are contributing factors too.

The Marine Mammals, and close to the surface critters are dark on the top to help them absorb heat from the sun. Whales, Dolphins, Seals ETC, are all warm blooded, and benefit greatly by soaking up some additional heat from the sun.

Cheers



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Because black hides camel toe and moose knuckle.

 

Smile

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AnthonyF - 2008-07-12 2:29 AM

Because black hides camel toe and moose knuckle.

 

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I have never heard MOOSE KNUCKLE before. I gather that is the male anatomy.

2008-07-12 1:51 PM
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You are correct, sir. I, too, only heard of it recently, but now it's stuck in my head, as I can't think of another term to describe the uh..."phenomenon".
2008-07-12 2:17 PM
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Chris M, you know it all my freind. Im sure you an expert on a ton of things!
2008-07-12 2:45 PM
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well, sharks have poor eyesight.  Very serverly near-sighted.  Not sure if they are color blind as well. 

Sharks hunt by the senses of smell and feel - the smell of blood and the feel of turbulence generates by fish/seals moving. 

So it doesn't matter what color your suit is.  If the shark decide to persue you, it will, and you cannot out-swim a shark.  The best thing one can do when a shark is near is NOT to move.  Float on your back, stay calm. 



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Bobjacked2 - 2008-07-12 12:17 PM Chris M, you know it all my freind. Im sure you an expert on a ton of things!

In the event you forgot the sarcasm font, Actually, no I don't, and no I am not.  Sorry if I do offer facts on things I do know, and facts which are important to me (i.e., misconceptions about sharks, leading to their being placed on protected species lists).   For example, sharks are not colorblind

I have just a little experience being around sharks, i'd dare say more than anyone on this board, and I used to work at teh Long Beach Aquarium

But please, feel free to keep believing in myths no matter what I say. 



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2008-07-12 6:40 PM
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Chris~

Sorry to get totally off topic, but I love the photo of the Hammerheads... where was it taken, if you don't mind my asking?

Andi

2008-07-12 6:57 PM
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Anditrigirl - 2008-07-12 4:40 PM

Chris~

Sorry to get totally off topic, but I love the photo of the Hammerheads... where was it taken, if you don't mind my asking?

Andi

Thanks, Isla del Coco - about 350 miles (40 hours by boat) off Costa Rica

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I can honestly say the only time I've feared sharks was having one sneak up and say "hi" while snorkeling in the Bahamas (about ten feet away...approached from behind and to my right side and meandered on in front of me) and the massive hammerhead that went under my feet as I was pushing a boat off the shoreline at dusk with its favorite prey, stingrays, everywhere.  While diving, I enjoy seeing them. 
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