I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There are several places that you could look. I am not a swim expert, but it sounds like you could definitely benefit from a coach. Proper technique is absolutely crucial to swimming. There are some very good article right here on BT under the "Articles" section. Also, many people have benefited from the Total Immersion method. http://www.triswimcoach.com is also a great resource. As Jimmy Valvano said, "Don't give up...don't ever give up." Good luck.
Edited by crazylegs 2008-07-22 10:06 PM |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm curious how confident are you in your kicking and body positioning. One of the advantages/disadvantages of wetsuits and pull (leg) buoys is that your legs float. The disadvantage being that you can become reliant on them and ignore fixing and strengthening your position, technique, and swim legs. Not all races are wetsuit legal and you probably don't want to give up swimming once it's too cold to OWS. I would second the recommendation that you get a swim coach. You could also try to find a master's program that offers some coaching. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So....take a deep breath.....it sounds like you had fun doing the sprint, yes? Even though you had a wetsuit, you finished the swim...many tris are wetsuit legal...you have overcome the OWS mental hurdle that many of us who can swim endlessly in a pool have not overcome (ME, for one)! so for that you should feel terrific about. There are many drills that can help you feel more "floaty" I do a series of drills when I first get in the pool. Kick on side drills (recommended in Total Immersion)...both with hands by your side and with a lead hand. Try to keep one eye in the water and try to "push" down with your chest...Also, I like to do the one arm catch up drill...you keep one arm out in front of you and swim the length of the pool breathing on the opposite side. Think about gliding. I use fins when I do these drills. I got a few pointers from "Swim Training for Triathletes" the author's name escapes me right now. I always feel more floaty after doing these drills and can tell when my legs start to sink...then I'll do a few lengths of drills to get the feeling back. Other more experienced swimmers will chime in. I am definitely a beginner, but I have gone from 25 yds out of breath one year ago to a 2000 yd pool swim while training for my oly in may. And I finished it...not pretty, but once I got on the bike, I was so glad I persevered. You can do it!!! I only wish I could do the open water swim without the mental block. So, don't give up! I guess you need another pair of goggles, though! Good luck! |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A few thoughts. Use a pull buoy for the interim. This will keep your legs afloat so you can work on your stroke and the rest of your form. Your wetsuit will compensate for your lack of form during your race (assuming you are wearing a wetsuit for that). It's impossible for your legs to drop when wearing a wetsuit. It will throw your legs/hips high on the water. So, you can rest easy for now, your race won't be a disaster. Dropping legs is not the result of poor stroke. It sounds like your problem is that you are dropping your hips; dropping legs always follow dropping hips. You raise your hips (and your legs follow) by engaging your abs/core. Try working on aligning your legs with your body. A good old fashioned drill for this is kicking. Extend a kick board out in front of you and elongate your body. Keep the body extended and engaged. Feel your kick power coming from way high up near your pelvis. The idea is that the power is coming from your core and your legs are merely the delivery system. I did 800 yards of kick drills tonight and just sailed through the freestyle intervals that followed. Kick drills have a way of engaging your core that can give you immediate rewards and develop good muscle memory for balancing your body in a horizontal position, i.e. your legs won't drop. Edited by Renee 2008-07-22 10:28 PM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Trek - I'm by no means an expert I only began swimming again this year for my first Tri too. I did take one class though and they stressed the importance of finding balance. It sounds like you are a "sinker" which means you have to try and push your chest down a bit deeper in the water which aids in making you more parallel. While the pull aid might help you feel what it SHOULD feel like I don't suggest relying on it too much or you'll not learn to balance right. Also make sure your looking straight down at the bottom of the pool, turning your head instead of lifting it etc. My swim times suck though so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm sure your wife has excellent tips too. I'm a big fan of hers. PS- I'm training for my first Oly too late next month. Edited by IdealMuse 2008-07-22 10:28 PM |
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Member![]() | ![]() I feel your pain. when I got in the pool 4 years ago I was a disaster. Used my 8 and under stroke and was gased after 25 yards. I felt like a mile was never possible. I talked to a friend and he reccomended a book "total immersion". I read that book, did some of the drills, and within about 5 weeks I could hop in the pool and swim a mile no problem. even did 2 miles a few times. Try the book, try the drills, get your balance in the water, and things will come along easy. Don't give up with a bad start. I guarantee, with some effort, you can get it down and feel comfortable in the water. Good luck! and keep you head down. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() In my opinion, swimming seems to be the most technical of the three sports done in triathlon. I recommend getting a coach, looking into Total Immersion or some other type of instructional method. Personally, I'm a fan of swimming with someone else that is or was a competitive swimmer because they can see my stroke and critique my technique. Anecdotally, I come from a fairly similar athletic background as you (I didn't play college sports but was recruited to, long story, and as a 5'10" guard could dunk pretty handily with two hands, yes I'm fairly proud of that |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TrekCycling - 2008-07-22 11:24 PM So I guess once I stop and take a deep breath, I have two questions. #1 - What do I do until my oly? #2 - The question of what to do long term. Well ... I don't mean to be indelicate but according to your logs, you've done appallingly little swimming this year. How about start with putting in the laps? You aren't going to get better at swimming by not swimming. SWIM! And do kick drills. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have always been very comfortable in the water, almost too comfortable. But anyway, I too am a sinker, in a 7mm wetsuit in a pool I will be almost a foot under the water when I hold a "normal" breath. You have to "press your bouy", engage the core and press the chest down. It will feel like you ae swimming underwater at first, but that just means you must rotate better than non sinkers to get the face and shoulders out of the water. A coach, even for just a few lessons will do you a huge favor. Swimming isn't like the other two, in the other two you can just go hard and hang on, but swimming is all about efficiency. I know I can almost double my RPE in the water and only get slight gains in time, but leave my whole "load" in the water. Long is smooth in swimming. I am short, but have learned to "be long" in the water, IE the slower turnover to keep one arm in front of you. It takes practice, running is easy because we spend our whole lives walking and such, but swimming is foreign, it takes dedication, but most importantly it takes relaxation and comfort. Good luck, in a few weeks you will laugh you posted this up, guaranteed. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have coached loads of adults with the "sinker" trait. You will be happy to know that their are solutions. The tough part is that there are several complex causes, and while the forums might give you some ideas, you really need to get to a coach. Most "sinkers" suffer from multiple body position, water comfort and technique issues. Partial solutions can leave you working harder than you should, so get the "whole stroke" approach from a coach who has seen you swim. Be patient and relax and it will come. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Trek Your situation is not as dire as it feels. Clearly your past accomplishments demonstrate that you can propel yourself forward in the water while breathing naturally. This is great news. Your only problem is heavy legs (not literally). I'd recommend you spend some serious time with a kick board. For you I would recommend a warm up - kick 50 - 100 yds without stopping. If this is beyond your current reach begin with a 25 - 50 yd warm up. I would then do repeat 25 or 50 yd kicks with 30 seconds rest between each one. Do between 5 - 10 of these based on your ability and available time. You'll want to push yourself hard the entire distance, so choose the shorter distance if you can't sustain the intensity. Finish by kicking slowly 25 - 50 yds. You should do this 1 - 2 times a week. Over time you can use the same workout, just reduce the rest time and/or choose the longer distance. I think you will find progress with this program (others may have better ones). Once you feel you are swimming effectively in the pool you can reduce the amount of kicking you do in your training IMO. I do not do any kicking sets in my workouts, but I am in the minority. I have a strong swimming background and kicking in training is a poor use of my training time, and would offer me little for the kind of swimming required in triathlons. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Since you wife has done a Ironman, she obviously knows how to swim. Can you look at your stroke/form and help? If not, a coach is probably in order. I took 4 private lessons from a well known and certified tri coach and it did wonders for me. Think of you head as a cantalever. Be sure your face is down in the water and you are looking straight down to the bottom of the pool then when you breath, try your best to rotate and breath rather than lift your head and breath. I too would use a pull bouy in the mean time so you keep building your swim fitness. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You have seven weeks. You can make a HUGE difference in about an hour. I took one - ONE - hour-long coaching session. I told the coach what I needed (sprint tri, eight weeks), and he gave me very, very basic stroke drills. I did absolutely nothing but those stroke drills (no "straight up" laps, no speedwork until the last three days when I got close to a cruising speed) for three weeks straight. Then my pool closed. I went back in the water a grand total of twice - once four weeks out from my tri for a 12 min swim (trial run-through at the location of the tri) and once the day before my tri for another 12 minutes. All that drill work paid off in spades - I was 15th/~80ish coming out of the water, and would have been at least two places higher except I got jammed up against the guys. Who started five minutes ahead of us. On a 1/4 mi swim. It was nothing but smooth, strong stroke work that got me there. Get thee to a coach. Now. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TrekCycling - 2008-07-23 1:02 PM So a coach would benefit me even right now? That was what was so disheartening about last night. I felt like even if I got a coach to help me with my stroke prior to the oly (Sept. 14th), he/she wouldn't be able to make much headway with the whole sinking legs problem. Basically there wasn't enough time to make corrections. That's the way I felt. Okay, I'll poke around for a coach as well. Maybe a couple sessions before my race if I can find someone who can deal with a "sinker". Good word. At least I know what to call myself now. Plus it adds a little levity to things. Something I lack sometimes when things seem like they're going in the wrong direction in my life in general. I say absolutely, a coach could help. It is not to coach you on a training plan but to help you with your form/stroke. A few lessons could have a huge impact. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 7 weeks is plenty of time to make headway. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 7 weeks is plenty of time. If you commit to the pool over the next 7 weeks and get 2-4 lessons, it is likely you will be a completely different swimmer. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 7 weeks with a coach is a lifetime. with my old coach only 2 lessons in and i already noticed a HUGE improvement. And not to mention that my initial learn to swim classes last year were only 5 weeks a piece. I went from not knowing how to swim at all to swimming with breathing in about 7 weeks. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Don't stop - keep swimming (I try to do 4 days a week, usually manage 2-3). Use the pull buoy once a week to get a feel for that neutral position. In January, it took me almost 3 minutes to swim 100 yards in a pool, and I had to rest between sets. Now I can swim over 1000 yards and average close to 2 minutes per 100 (and I still really suck in the water). You CAN do it, just keep after it and don't let the slowness of improvement discourage you. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TrekCycling - 2008-07-23 2:00 PM Oh, I know they wouldn't be helping with the tri. I was just wondering if in the 7 weeks I have until my tri a coach could make enough of a difference to make it worth it or if I should wait until after the oly and look into actually going to a Total Immersion camp (which I'm contemplating anyway) or something like that. You could see immediate gains if someone tweaked your form in just 1 or 2 ways. Doesn't take 7 weeks to improve form, though you'll want that time to improve endurance. I don't think you've put enough time in the pool to warrant being discouraged. Keep at it! Have you asked your wife to look at your form? |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dude, I was so there 8 weeks ago. I couldn't swim a length without dying for air, and my legs sank like rocks. Today I did my personal best of swimming 935 yards nonstop. WOO HOO! Get this Total Immersion book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931009074and practice the balance drills. If you want, you also can get the DVD that complements the book and gives a bit more details on the drills (I would not go the DVD-only, route, though, the book is essential) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931009074 You'lllearn that swimming efficiency comes from working with the water to achieve balance (e.g., "leaning on your lungs" to help keep your hips and legs up), instead of fighting it.
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