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2008-07-23 5:04 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting

I think this would require a coach, because swimming is very technical. It sounds like your body position for sure isn't right. Talk to your wife, maybe she can help you out.

 



2008-07-23 5:20 PM
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2008-07-23 6:17 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
Wish I could add super swim coach to my resume but alas I was at a loss last night

As a lifelong swimmer there are things that we (I) take for granted that is difficult to teach in a 4 ft deep pool.

Preston's watched me swim many times and I tried to offer tips/drills but they are more technique focused and not really the fundamentals of floating and body position so I think an experienced swim coach is in order.
2008-07-23 6:18 PM
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m_way68 - 2008-07-22 8:28 PM

I feel your pain.  when I got in the pool 4 years ago I was a disaster.  Used my 8 and under stroke and was gased after 25 yards.  I felt like a mile was never possible.

 I talked to a friend and he reccomended a book "total immersion".  I read that book, did some of the drills, and within about 5 weeks I could hop in the pool and swim a mile no problem.  even did 2 miles a few times.  Try the book, try the drills, get your balance in the water, and things will come along easy.

 Don't give up with a bad start.  I guarantee, with some effort, you can get it down and feel comfortable in the water.

 Good luck! and keep you head down.



x2 worked wonders for me.
2008-07-23 6:19 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting

I sink, too. It sucks but slowly it is getting better. The more often you go, the easier it is to go and the easier it is to swim. Promise.

I, too, tried TI.  Good stuff.  

Good luck. 



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2008-07-23 6:24 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
I never read the TI stuff in full, but got the "abbreviated" version and some drills.  Seemed to help.  I have always been a decent swimmer since being a kid, but TI really helped with some of my existing technique flaws.


2008-07-23 6:44 PM
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I swam competitively in high school. Swimming is largely a core workout.

I suggest some pilates. Like someone said, you are dropping your hips thus your core needs training. Pilates will definetly help stregnthen your core.

And find a coach.

 

Ironically I found one by finding the local youth swim team in the neighborhood. Approached her (with others intow) and she trains us. I'm missing practice right now actually (forgot bag at home). Best yet, is she only charges 10 bucks a session!!

 But she kills us. And it's good to have a coach again.

2008-07-23 7:57 PM
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latrina - 2008-07-23 7:44 PM

I swam competitively in high school. Swimming is largely a core workout.

I suggest some pilates. Like someone said, you are dropping your hips thus your core needs training. Pilates will definetly help stregnthen your core.

I am a newer swimmer (just this year) and would agree with this.  When I started to make strides, it seemed like my core had finally caught up with the rest.  It seemed like I could feel the difference.   Rotation and staying level in the water started to get easier. 

2008-07-23 8:28 PM
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TrekCycling - 2008-07-22 9:51 PM

Today couldn't have been more frustrating. I've been circling doing Triathlons for a long time. My wife does them and I've always been interested, but afraid of the swimming. After she completed the Ironman this year I was inspired and so I rented, then bought a wetsuit. I started open water swimming and a few weeks later I did a sprint. I wasn't fast, but I had fun and was able to pair my ability to walk and my ability to cycle well with the better flotation provided by the wetsuit to have a successful day. I've seen begun training for an olympic. I regularly bike much longer than 12 miles, so the bike isn't really a problem. I'm walking/running regularly, so that seems to be in good shape. And I've done a number of duathlons and one sprint, so I was confident that I could get ready by Black Diamond (Sept. 14th). At least until today.

I decided I wanted to improve my swim stroke and thus my speed/efficiency. So I decided to jump in the pool today for the first time in a long time. It was a disaster. My legs sank immediately. Not sank like a little bit, but sank like my toes dragged. I don't know where to go from here. I couldn't drill, because I couldn't float for the most part. At least not from the waist down. I don't know what to do. Training has been going fine. I'm losing weight. I'm increasing my running/walking speed with every time I go out. My swims are getting better each time I go out, but now I'm worried that I'll never be able to improve my swim, that fundamentally I should be able to swim in the pool. And that maybe I'll injure myself because of a poor stroke and thus be athletically and generally hobbled as a result. I'm demoralized to say the least. I just about tossed my goggles in the trash when I was done.

come on, you don't give up at the 1st try do you? It is normal to struggle in the pool if you haven't done it in a long time. The best option of course is going to be foe you to contact a swim coach and have him/her help you out. Or you can either look for swim books, videos, etc'. The important things is that you have to SUAT and to do it over and over until it gets better, it is not easy but traithlons are suposed to be hard, that's why we do it!
2008-07-23 8:33 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
latrina - 2008-07-23 6:44 PM

I swam competitively in high school. Swimming is largely a core workout.

I suggest some pilates. Like someone said, you are dropping your hips thus your core needs training. Pilates will definetly help stregnthen your core.

I disagree, if the OP hips are dropping is becasue he needs to work on his balance, core has little to do with this. Some one can have the strongest abs and lower back and still have terrible balance thus legs/hips will drop causing him/her to sink. Swimming is not about strenght, it is about technique and practice.

which reminds me - OP look for balance drills...

2008-07-23 9:04 PM
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amiine - 2008-07-23 9:33 PM
latrina - 2008-07-23 6:44 PM

I swam competitively in high school. Swimming is largely a core workout.

I suggest some pilates. Like someone said, you are dropping your hips thus your core needs training. Pilates will definetly help stregnthen your core.

I disagree, if the OP hips are dropping is becasue he needs to work on his balance, core has little to do with this. Some one can have the strongest abs and lower back and still have terrible balance thus legs/hips will drop causing him/her to sink. Swimming is not about strenght, it is about technique and practice.

which reminds me - OP look for balance drills...

 

DING DING DING, some say I have decent core/ab muscles....can't balance well, but am learning. 



2008-07-23 10:05 PM
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2008-07-24 12:35 AM
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TrekCycling - 2008-07-23 1:02 PM

So a coach would benefit me even right now?


I know this has been said to death, and you definitely seem convinced, but I just wanted to harp on it a little more: ABSOLUTELY a coach will help RIGHT NOW!

Think about it this way: if you keep plugging along right now, you will be building up all the wrong muscles. If you get a coach NOW before you've developed any bad habits you will learn it all right the first time.

If I were the coach, I know which one I'd rather you pick!
2008-07-24 9:40 AM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
TrekCycling - 2008-07-23 6:20 PM

The likely candidates seem to be "Triathlon Swimming Made Easy: The Total Immersion Way for Anyone to Master Open-Water Swimming"

Yep, that's the one I have.

They also have a pretty good forum at totalimmersion.net that talks about the techniques described in the books and DVDs.

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2008-07-24 1:09 PM
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Ask in the classifieds section. You might find someone willing to let you have it. We have a pay it forward thread.

Also check on amazon.com and see if anyone has a used version to sell....

2008-07-24 1:26 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
I would suggest this:

Swim 5 times a week, for around 7500-10,000 yds average.

Join a masters swim group

watch all the video you can of the best swimmers in the world ( a ton of videos of them on YouTube)

Hire a coach

There is no easy answer to swimming well, its alot of time in the pool on drills, hard work, good technique, and volume.

No I'm not a coach or expert, and your results may vary, but this is what I have learned.

Just my advice nothing more

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2008-07-24 1:43 PM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
TrekCycling - 2008-07-24 12:23 PM

Is there a place to find a book like this used? Any kind of BT gear/book/DVD swap? I don't have the money to shell out for the book + shipping right now.  


The Forest Grove City library has a copy on the shelf or you can place a hold at the Beaverton City library.
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2008-08-08 9:11 AM
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Subject: RE: I jumped in the pool and sank like a rock, I feel like quitting
IMO, the problem with trying to be self-taught in swimming is that you can't see yourself. So no matter what you read or know, unless you have someone qualified to analyze your stroke constantly, you'll tend to fall back into old habits (or never actually leave them).

I'm a self-taught expert skier and a long-time coached swimmer getting back into shape. Both are impossible to excel at without very good technique. Skiing is different because most all people have severe, obvious technique problems but still can have a blast on the slopes, which is most important. I can understand why so few get instruction.

But in swimming I'd think that if one really wants to improve, they need a very qualified person regularly analyzing their technique. Every day I see people at the pool knocking off lap after lap of poor technique. But like skiing, training with bad technique just trains your muscles poorly. You'll get in better swim shape and get faster, but you'll hit a limit to improvement quickly and probably get frustrated.
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