Ironman Louisville Volunteer Report...LONG!
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() IM Louisville Volunteer Report Aug 31st 2008
Pre Race: Woke up EARLY on Saturday because I was racing a local Olympic race. I raced like heck and then met up with the family and handed our daughter off to her Grandmother for the weekend. After that my wife and I packed up quickly with MTBs and clothes and headed off on our 4 hour jaunt to Louisville from St. Louis. Earlier in the week we had received a call from the volunteer coordinator basically assigning my wife and I to work with Ironman Live as race spotters. We were very excited with that as it would give us tremendous access to “inside the ropes” and to any part of the course! We also decided that we wanted to keep out commitment to the local race folks and still do our shift as catchers in the finish chute during the last 5 hours……with that as our plan, we met with the IM Live folks after arriving in Louisville and got our radio and access passes and our basic marching orders: Chase the men pros around the whole course and call in places and time gaps. We were to be working in tandem with another spotter so we could “leapfrog” around the course in attempts to keep ahead of them! We met our other spotters at the parking lot under the highway at 6am and got our last minute instructions…..after that my wife and I decided to head over to transition and check out the bikes the men pros would be riding in case we missed a number as they rode past…….ended up talking to one of the men pros as he scrambled to get his bike ready for the day (BTW this is 6:20 am and they were starting in ½ hour!)….I offered to help but he was really just doing his thing….super nice guy though. We then went back to the car…..drove up along the race course to the swim start and parked in the restricted parking area and wandered over to find a place to watch the start (I wanted to have actual race time on one of my watches so we could gauge how the day was going and could call in race time as well as gaps). The crowds around Tumbleweed were like last year, people milling about with their athletes, etc. so we didn’t find any great spot………but then I remembered that the Tumbleweed was open to VIPs last year so I suggested we try out our “all access” wristbands…….And in we strolled!!!! Right into the restaurant and over to the rail overlooking the swim start! It was then, as we stood waiting for things to get going and the sun was rising over the mass of athletes waiting for the day, that I REALLY got the itch to race……all the energy was so palpable that I literally was getting goosebumps watching! The “Call to the Post” was played on the Derby-style bugle and within minutes the pros were off into the bright orange sunrise!!
Race Start: It was interesting watching the pros start up…..the first 250 yards or so it really seemed like they were working it hard…..at least their kicks seemed pretty aggressive. After a 10 minute headstart for the pros, it was time for the AG athletes to hit it…..we watched for about 15 minutes as they poured in three at a time off the end of the dock. I saw some friends start their day and could only wish them luck from afar! We hit the head while we had access to a nice clean john and went out towards the car. En route, we ran into Steve Meckfessel., the Race Director, whom I have met a number of times over the last couple of years. Quick howdy to him as we were headed out to mile 5 to wait for the men to come flying by.
Swim: One of the benefits of this job was that we had access to “race radio” where we would hear all day the goings on of the race. We listened as the chasers on the boats in the Ohio River talked of two different packs taking different lines in the river after the turn buoy…….wish I could have figured out which one proved fastest! Listened to the swim exit while we were waiting at mile 5 and talking to a local Sheriff who said that for the most part the community was very supportive of bringing such an exciting event to town.
Bike: The first men came whizzing by and were closely followed by the first couple of women. My wife and I lagged a bit to help one of my friends who was also spotting (for the women) figure out the logistics of capturing the time gaps and calling them in……that four minute lag would cost us in our next assignment as we could not catch the leaders (traffic, crowds, and the fact that these guys were flying!!) by mile 15! And so the day began….watch the first five go past, get the gaps, call them in as you were hustling to the next logical mileage point in concert with our co-spotter……wild, almost surreal feeling driving around on the course while the race was going on and observing these guys “at work”……I can tell you that I learned a bunch of different tricks about the Louisville bike course that I will use in 2009! The excitement built as Chris McDonald caught and passed Andrew Johns going through Lagrange the second time….called it in and headed off to chase the pack back to Louisville. On the way back to Louisville we were able to pull alongside on the of Top 5 men that we had been chasing all day but did not know who since he was a late entry and was not on the lists that we had access to prior to the race. Turns out is was Zach Ruble…a fixture on some of the internet forums I frequent….he ended up having a pretty good day in the end….Once back in Louisville we made our transition to our MTBs for the run. I was really surprised how hard it was to stay ahead of these guys in a car and was hoping that our bikes would be fast enough as the gaps potentially built on the run! The two German athletes were making a serious challenge over the last couple of miles and in fact, we saw more bikes in transition than we expected on the pros rack as we rode past to take our first run post……didn’t know it at the time but the eventual winner of the race had moved to within 8 minutes of the leaders in T2……
Finish Line: At our appointed time we went to check in for our finish line duties…..the folks manning the volley check-in were less than perfectly organized and at the end of some, “who are you?”, “where are you scheduled?”, “are you sure you don’t want to help serve food instead?”, (NO I signed up to work in the chute for many reasons and I did so online in plenty of time to ensure my assignment!), my wife and I just looked at our “all access” wristbands and our volley shirts and thought….the heck with it, and strolled into the chute to help catch finishers! After having done this in Wisconsin in 2006, I was very aware of how to proceed and we jumped in line and got to work…….right away, it became apparent that there was a lack of direction as far as keeping the catchers organized and working smoothly……one strike against them was that a bunch of folks needed to go to Medical a block and a ½ away…..so at any one time almost half of the catchers were not in the chute…….And, it got worse! Some folks that volunteered obviously did so ONLY so they could catch/greet their racer and constantly stood off to the side of the line only to do some work when prompted by those around them……not cool! Seeing your racer is a “SIDE BENEFIT” to volunteering, not the sole reason for doing so! I caught so many people that needed to be triaged by someone with more medical training than I have but the ONLY option for that was to take them all the way to the Med tent…..much too distant for us as vollys to get them there and get back to keep the line moving AND when it involved going that far, a lot of racers simply said, no thanks! And went off with their families……a bunch of them DID develop problems after “being released” and then required medical assistance……SOLUTION: There was a “medical area” (big blue banner and everything) within the chute…..this NEEDS to be staffed by medical personnel (I would suggest three nurses or docs) that could make the call as to who goes to the Med Tent and who just needs to site and drink some water before we feel comfortable with them heading out into the crowd…….this puts a trained person in charge of the athletes and gives those on the border of being o.k. or not a chance to get a solid opinion as to their condition instead of relying on finishline volunteers….. Also, apparently there was an announcement in the meeting that WTC was going to enforce the no family (at all) in the chute but they would be allowed in to get in the Finishers photo at the ASI booth in the chute…….comes time for this to happen and folks wanting to do that are told in NO uncertain terms that no people AT ALL are being let in for these photo opps! Now, either ASI sets up one booth outside the “chute” or you have a small area at the end of the chute for family collecting/photo-ing or something but this became a real sore spot!! That and I think that the cross street at the end of 4th Street Live needs to be closed……between the crowd right outside the chute waiting for folks spilling into the intersection and volunteers trying to rush folks over to Medical, to racers simply trying to get across traffic while their legs “kinda worked”….this intersection being open is a potential problem…… In the end I got to see many of my friends finish…..I met a bunch of cool folks from ALL OVER that were now part of the IM fraternity….and I got to catch/congratulate Dr. Ed Wolfgram (76 yo) on his finish less than a year after open heart surgery…..lots of inspirational moments in the chute, as usual!!!
Summary: In general, volunteering was a blast, tiring, inspiring, and enlightening! The access that we were afforded by working for WTC was unbelievable…..truly a behind the scenes look at how an IM is done by the best! In contrast, I got to see some of the negative things I normally don’t see when racing….like folks that have no business starting an IM…..I may sound elitist here but those who know me understand I am a pretty open-minded guy and when I see some folks that are not just out of shape but clearly obese on the dock waiting their turn I wonder what they are thinking! There were a bunch of people pulled or drop off the bike course and I got to see them wandering with their T bags towards the cars…..hard to imagine the emotions! Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. All my observations and suggestions for improvements will be forward to the race organization for use in their race post mortem…with the hope that the few problems I observed are solved for next year when I head back to Louisville….this time to race and try to break 11:30! Edited by Tri-Wog StL 2008-09-05 1:21 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Great volunteer report, thanks for sharing it. I enjoyed reading it right up until the part when you did come off as elitist since I don't know you. Are there some people that shouldn't be doing IM's? Sure. I am not sure that size has anything to do with that though since I have volunteered at a few tris and have witnessed many "skinny" people pulling out of races for various reasons. As for the "doers" comments though I respectfully completely disagree with your comments. As a tri-newbie, I hope to be one of those "doers" someday. I am not a strong runner and never have been so I will never be a "racer" of marathons nor a "racer" of IM's. To be honest I don't know if i will ever attempt anything past a 1/2 IM but i feel its my right to pay my entry fees just like you in order to attempt a 1/2 IM or full IM and do my best to finish as quickly as I can to have the honor to call myself an Ironman. If that takes me 15-17 hours to finish and I feel like I gave it all I had on the course then so be it. Who is to judge what MY best time is vs. YOUR best time?
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![]() | ![]() bulldog520 - 2008-09-05 1:47 PM Great volunteer report, thanks for sharing it. I enjoyed reading it right up until the part when you did come off as elitist since I don't know you. Are there some people that shouldn't be doing IM's? Sure. I am not sure that size has anything to do with that though since I have volunteered at a few tris and have witnessed many "skinny" people pulling out of races for various reasons. As for the "doers" comments though I respectfully completely disagree with your comments. As a tri-newbie, I hope to be one of those "doers" someday. I am not a strong runner and never have been so I will never be a "racer" of marathons nor a "racer" of IM's. To be honest I don't know if i will ever attempt anything past a 1/2 IM but i feel its my right to pay my entry fees just like you in order to attempt a 1/2 IM or full IM and do my best to finish as quickly as I can to have the honor to call myself an Ironman. If that takes me 15-17 hours to finish and I feel like I gave it all I had on the course then so be it. Who is to judge what MY best time is vs. YOUR best time?
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There is a point when peoples judgment needs to be questioned......please hear me out.....this is not the folks that trained and respect the distance and clearly tried their best, etc. That is not my point, at all.......my issue is with the folks that would look out of place based on their "apparent" lack of fitness at a local Olympic race that are lined up to do an IM. My gripe is twofold......1) the lack of respect for the distance that would allow you to show up undertrained......is this somewhat judging a book by it's cover, yes.....if you would have seen the folks I did....you would most likely agree.....and this is from a guy who carries a bunch of extra pounds to each IM start line...... and 2) if, in fact, they are underprepared what extra burden are they placing on the race staff, vollys, etc. to try to nurse them through something that they have prepped for insufficiently?
Would you set out to cross a lake in a leaky boat?
Paul Edited by Tri-Wog StL 2008-09-05 2:04 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I really enjoyed the report. Sounds like you were super lucky with your assignment, how did you get it? Regarding your comment in the end....ahhhh....never mind...... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-05 3:02 PM There is a point when peoples judgment needs to be questioned......please hear me out.....this is not the folks that trained and respect the distance and clearly tried their best, etc. That is not my point, at all.......my issue is with the folks that would look out of place based on their "apparent" lack of fitness at a local Olympic race that are lined up to do an IM. My gripe is twofold......1) the lack of respect for the distance that would allow you to show up undertrained......is this somewhat judging a book by it's cover, yes.....if you would have seen the folks I did....you would most likely agree.....and this is from a guy who carries a bunch of extra pounds to each IM start line...... and 2) if, in fact, they are underprepared what extra burden are they placing on the race staff, vollys, etc. to try to nurse them through something that they have prepped for insufficiently?
Would you set out to cross a lake in a leaky boat?
Paul FWIW, I agree with you 100%. There are a lot of folks on here that disagree though. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thank you so much for volunteering. I really do appreciate it! All of the volunteers make that day happen. Without you being there, there would not be a race. Thanks again. Now, I need to comment on the following statement: Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. "Racing" an IM is different to each person. For me "racing" an IM meant a 5/2 walk/run strategy on the marathon. Unfortunately, both of my Achilles tendons were hurting so bad by the time I made it to the marathon (never had that happen before!), I couldn't even run. I finished in 15:45. What's the point? The point is I did an IM. I DID IT. I fulfilled a dream of mine. I put in 8 months of HARD WORK. Really hard work. I didn't slack. Check my logs. I did an IM the only way my body would let me do an IM. Period. I'm not a gifted athlete. I have to work hard for my "slow"speed. That's me. It's how I am. I'm OK with that. I'm proud of my accomplishment. So there. Each person races in their own way. Yes, some people didn't train properly... but some of us did and even with all the time put in training, we couldn't hope to run that race under 14/15 hours. That's how it is for some of us. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-05 2:02 PM There is a point when peoples judgment needs to be questioned......please hear me out.....this is not the folks that trained and respect the distance and clearly tried their best, etc. That is not my point, at all.......my issue is with the folks that would look out of place based on their "apparent" lack of fitness at a local Olympic race that are lined up to do an IM. My gripe is twofold......1) the lack of respect for the distance that would allow you to show up undertrained......is this somewhat judging a book by it's cover, yes.....if you would have seen the folks I did....you would most likely agree.....and this is from a guy who carries a bunch of extra pounds to each IM start line...... and 2) if, in fact, they are underprepared what extra burden are they placing on the race staff, vollys, etc. to try to nurse them through something that they have prepped for insufficiently?
Would you set out to cross a lake in a leaky boat?
Paul Right, fair enough. Before I went to race, my coach told me that maybe 400 people who start that race actually trained properly for it. BUT you can't judge a racer by their cover (weight/size) or finishing time. Just because someone finishes in 15-17 hours doesn't mean they didn't train for it. I know some larger people who kicked my butt out there... I also know some larger people who have attempted an IM and who have put in the proper amount of training. Larger does not mean they didn't train for the distance. With that said, I met a guy on the plane to Arizona who did IMAZ April of this year. Guess what? He didn't train at all for the race. Said his longest ride was 56 miles and he trains for ALL his IM's that way. Know what? He finished about 3 hours ahead of my cousin (thin guy!) who trained his butt off for the race. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-05 2:02 PM There is a point when peoples judgment needs to be questioned......please hear me out.....this is not the folks that trained and respect the distance and clearly tried their best, etc. That is not my point, at all.......my issue is with the folks that would look out of place based on their "apparent" lack of fitness at a local Olympic race that are lined up to do an IM. My gripe is twofold......1) the lack of respect for the distance that would allow you to show up undertrained......is this somewhat judging a book by it's cover, yes.....if you would have seen the folks I did....you would most likely agree.....and this is from a guy who carries a bunch of extra pounds to each IM start line...... and 2) if, in fact, they are underprepared what extra burden are they placing on the race staff, vollys, etc. to try to nurse them through something that they have prepped for insufficiently?
Would you set out to cross a lake in a leaky boat?
Paul Thank you for the clarification. I would agree with you about the people that don't respect the distance regardless of their shape. One of the races I volunteered at this year (Oly distance) had a group of riders all decked out in uniforms that decided to make the 24 mile bike a nice leisurely ride making us volunteers wait for at least 30 minutes between them and the rider before them. My point was that I may train my a** off and respect the distance and STILL finish in the 15-17 hour window.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KSH - 2008-09-05 4:48 PM Thank you so much for volunteering. I really do appreciate it! All of the volunteers make that day happen. Without you being there, there would not be a race. Thanks again. Now, I need to comment on the following statement: Finally, I’ve come to realize there is a clear line between racing an IM (at whatever your “race speed” is) and “doing” and IM…..I submit that there is a VERY large contingent of “doers” in IM any more and frankly, I’m not sure I approve of it…….guys/gals in their mid thirties, clearly out of shape, strolling/jogging through the finish in that 15-17 hour timeline…..what’s the point? Now, I know that stuff happens on race day but these were folks that clearly were not in a position to even pretend to run a marathon much less after a 112 mile bike….. "Racing" an IM is different to each person. For me "racing" an IM meant a 5/2 walk/run strategy on the marathon. Unfortunately, both of my Achilles tendons were hurting so bad by the time I made it to the marathon (never had that happen before!), I couldn't even run. I finished in 15:45. What's the point? The point is I did an IM. I DID IT. I fulfilled a dream of mine. I put in 8 months of HARD WORK. Really hard work. I didn't slack. Check my logs. I did an IM the only way my body would let me do an IM. Period. I'm not a gifted athlete. I have to work hard for my "slow"speed. That's me. It's how I am. I'm OK with that. I'm proud of my accomplishment. So there. Each person races in their own way. Yes, some people didn't train properly... but some of us did and even with all the time put in training, we couldn't hope to run that race under 14/15 hours. That's how it is for some of us. I don't think the OP has a beef with athletes such as yourself. Congrats, BTW!! Its that guy that passes out half way through the bike because he's never ridden over 40 miles before. I think that people register for these things (a year in advance in a lot of cases) and then don't train properly. But since they've already shelled out the money for registration, gear, hotels, travel, ect. they go ahead and do it anyway. They put themselves in a dangerous position and put an extra burden on the volunteers. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Well put, Steve.....could not have clarified it better.......IT"S NOT ABOUT FINISH TIME......it's about giving everything YOU have ....not just on race day but in training as well...planning, etc..... Believe me I would love to go sub 11 but even if I quit my job, leave my family, and train 24x7, this body just wont' go that fast! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't think the OP has a beef with athletes such as yourself. Congrats, BTW!! Its that guy that passes out half way through the bike because he's never ridden over 40 miles before. I think that people register for these things (a year in advance in a lot of cases) and then don't train properly. But since they've already shelled out the money for registration, gear, hotels, travel, ect. they go ahead and do it anyway. They put themselves in a dangerous position and put an extra burden on the volunteers. Which that point is completely understandable. I guess it's just hard to really pick that person out by looking at them as they cross the finish line. Ya know? In Kentucky, many amazing athletes were taken down a few notches by the heat. I had some girls from Dallas who finished behind me... who typically finish an IM in 13 hours. From his post he was was making judgements on people crossing past hour 15... "OH, that person is slowly walking... they must not have trained for this race..." Unless you ask that person IF they trained... and how much they trained... it's really hard to make that judgement when that person croses the finish line. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congratulations BTW......and don't get me wrong, ITS NOT ABOUT TIME......it's about effort....the guy that rode that plane with you.....probably knows his body to the point that he knows what he can do on a given day....don't ask me how, they just know...... I think your coach said it best though...it is a very small percentage that is really properly trained come race day. And to your point about being large and being deceptively quick...I am a shining example........I am borderline very overweight (by all the charts) and can drop a 12 hour IM @ age 46.......just the way my muscles work, I guess...... Remember, this is the folks that just didn't care enough about themselves or the others around them to train to the best of their ability.......we all can't train as much as we think we should but when you do (here comes the phrase) YOUR BEST, then that's all you can do. What gets me are the ones that don't even try.......and I heard a few bragging on their lack of training in the chute.......like I'm supposed to be impressed by that..... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Great report, right up to the last couple paragraphs anyway. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KHS, I'm copying over some of what I posted in the IronDistance Thread.....the key word everyone is missing in what I posted is "DO"..... the folks I have issues with are the ones that never intended to "TRY" (many of them joked about "how hard can this be....I finished and only trained twice a week"! or "heck, even a monkey can walk 26 miles"....guys, I heard these phrases Sunday night in the finish area...!!!!!) In the meantime you finished next to some of these knuckleheads that disrespect what you did because you tried your darndest! and they didn't.....that's my point....not the time but the effort!!! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey.. as someone that just did IMKY.. thanks for being out there.. even if you were with the pro's for a while where I obviously was not I'm more curious about what you learned about the bike course trick wise from the pro's that you can use next year since I'm also doing it next year. edited to add; crap I forgot to flame you.. sorry Edited by Gaarryy 2008-09-05 5:54 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nice way to elicit a piece of "inside advice" by "flaming" the giver!! ;-)
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-05 5:20 PM I have to say I agree with you. Nothing to do with body size or time of finish. It is about intent and respect for the race no matter what the distance.KHS, I'm copying over some of what I posted in the IronDistance Thread.....the key word everyone is missing in what I posted is "DO"..... the folks I have issues with are the ones that never intended to "TRY" (many of them joked about "how hard can this be....I finished and only trained twice a week"! or "heck, even a monkey can walk 26 miles"....guys, I heard these phrases Sunday night in the finish area...!!!!!) In the meantime you finished next to some of these knuckleheads that disrespect what you did because you tried your darndest! and they didn't.....that's my point....not the time but the effort!!! Redman is in 3 weeks and I would love to go and "do" it but won't. I could probably finish in the time limit (but hurt for a month after) but I would finish I am pretty sure. I will wait until next year when I can fully train.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriWogStl, I really enjoyed reading your report. At first, when I saw the length, I clicked "back" right away, but I came back b/c i though you would have some really good info in there. I was right! i think you're right on with your report. I think most of the ppl "offended" by your remarks are not taking it the right way. It's about being prepared for an IM. Size, weight, etc have nothing to do with it...I am athletic and mentally strong, and COULDN'T finish an IM at this point in my life. It's all about training and preparing... BTW, as an aspiring IM (one day), I too would like to hear about any tricks you may have picked up...I'm ever the student. Ron |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() First, thank you for volunteering!!! I was one of the beneficiary of your efforts on Sunday's race! I too believe that if you re-read TriWog StL's post, he's spot on about Ironman lollygagers...the ones who purposefully "game" the race to finish under 17-hours with the least--usually laughable low--amount of training and preparation possible in order to obtain the Ironman moniker. These people dishonor everyone who has put in the true time and efforts to cross the Ironman finish line--particularly the triathletes who worked and sacraficed their tails off for years and happen to finish in the 15-17 hours range! But, the botton line is WTC makes the rules, and within those rules there will always be room for intentionally-undertrained-and-underperformed-finishers. Edited by guncollector 2008-09-06 9:45 AM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What a perfect word "lollygagger"!! You lollygag your way around the training, you lollygag around the swim start, you lollygag through T1.....you know what that makes you......tell 'em Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Sorry for the butchered movie subreference, I just had to! POints to anyone who can name the movie!
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-06 8:43 AM veggie tales' "pirate's who don't do anything"-What a perfect word "lollygagger"!! You lollygag your way around the training, you lollygag around the swim start, you lollygag through T1.....you know what that makes you......tell 'em Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Sorry for the butchered movie subreference, I just had to! POints to anyone who can name the movie!
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() guncollector - 2008-09-06 10:56 AM Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-06 8:43 AM veggie tales' "pirate's who don't do anything"-What a perfect word "lollygagger"!! You lollygag your way around the training, you lollygag around the swim start, you lollygag through T1.....you know what that makes you......tell 'em Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Sorry for the butchered movie subreference, I just had to! POints to anyone who can name the movie!
Paul hahaha, bummer, I knew that one!!! ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Wrong x 2......they may have used it in Veggie Tales but they stole it from an older sports related movie........no extra clues yet.... |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tri-Wog StL - 2008-09-06 10:43 AM What a perfect word "lollygagger"!! You lollygag your way around the training, you lollygag around the swim start, you lollygag through T1.....you know what that makes you......tell 'em Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Sorry for the butchered movie subreference, I just had to! POints to anyone who can name the movie!
Paul Bull Durham |
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