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2004-03-03 5:27 PM

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Subject: elections...whats your issue?

just listening to npr on the post super-tuesday elections and was wondering what will be your personal issues for the elections???  sorry...at least in the US...or if your not US, whats your thoughts?

economy? marriage? foreign policy? energy? agriculture? just get bush out?



2004-03-03 5:45 PM
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2004-03-03 6:15 PM
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Subject: RE: elections...whats your issue?
Well, I'm Canadian...eh,, so it I cannot vote in your election. But we are having an election soon...I hope and I will be voting based on the party's economic policies, legal definition of marriage, foreign policy, energy policy, environmental policies, native issues, and getting Chretien out of office...oh yeah, he's already gone...whoohoo...that's one down!
2004-03-03 6:19 PM
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2004-03-03 10:02 PM
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I'd like to get Bush out before: a supreme court justice retires, he invades another country on a pretext, he lets Dick Cheyney's friends stripmine the rest of west virginia and explore my arse for oil, he defines marriage to exclude people I like, or I have to hear him say 'nucyalar' again.  IMO this is the worst president we've had in my lifetime so that's my election issue.

Usually I vote based on who seems less stupid, but then I guess that works here too.

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2004-03-03 10:05 PM
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George W. is the left's Bill Clinton. 


2004-03-03 11:07 PM
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Nothing like another peaceful little thread!!

I live in Berkeley, the hot bet of the super left, so what can I say??

If it's not Green Party, we pretty much don't vote for it. Of course, I think Nadar is something of an egotist, so what do you do?? (But I like a great deal of their party platform--if you haven't seen their 10 tenets, I'd recommend giving them a looksie! I tend to vote Green Party recs when it comes to policy but not for it's representatives, as I know they haven't a chance in Hades of making it, and I don't want to split the California democratic vote too much.)

Well, enough of the Berkeley political babble!

Good night!!

Dana

2004-03-03 11:50 PM
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2004-03-04 4:10 AM
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you couldn't pay me to touch this thread!  LOL
2004-03-04 7:25 AM
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Lara_SD - 2004-03-04 3:03 AM

who is rebuilding the middle east? 

I don't know about 92 but we all know how it's being done now.  The most amazing thing about all of this to me is that we managed to talk England into going along for the ride as well.  They already tried to run Iraq in the 1920's and had similar problems then.  I suppose countries don't have very good memories.

Trimom -  Dive right in!  We'll behave ourselves (mostly).



2004-03-04 8:04 AM
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Immigration.

A very touchy issue for me as I am trying to get a green card.


The effects of the Homeland security act is very disturbing as is the media spin put out about immigrants.

I’m doing everything legal and above board. Its costing over $10,000 to get the green card. Its been in process for 2 years now and just sits in an INS office. In the meantime I am here on a visa and have to stay in my current job and current position. No promotion or transfers elsewhere in the country. I cannot work a second job and my wife and kids cannot have any jobs.

Yet the immigrant is being blamed for the economy. We have no rights under the 4th amendment after 9/11 and if the FBI decided to question me about terrorism (having a Irish Name that is very “hot” in Northern Ireland and is also an acceptable English translation of the Arabic name of one of the hijackers on 9/11 does mean I get extra scrutiny anyway) then they can take me off the streets and do not have to tell anyone where I am. I have no rights to anything and my family could go swing for all they care. They could intern me for months without reason, deport me or just re-release me on the streets and I have no right to say or do anything about it. They could also access my home, emails and telephone and not have to declare it. They could be reading this right now!!!

The joy of a free society?

In addition I get to pay all my taxes to the USA yet get no say in who controls my destiny. Taxation, representation? Wanna explain that to this Englishman again?

Finally the administration in power (however it may be) then ensures that the illegal immigrant population is given rights to stay here in election year just to pick up the Hispanic vote. This is done at the cost of the processing times for the legal immigrants (IE ME).

3 notes)
1: All politicians, by the time they get to a position of significant power, have been corrupted (ie taken many many donations that they have to pay back in some form) I have no time for any of them.
2: American jobs moving overseas. Partly blame the companies that do it – partly the Government that under funds the INS which in turn means that its easier to move whole departments abroad than it is to recruit any of the workforce from abroad to work in the USA. I could expand on this but I’ve probably written enough.
3: I’m part of a law suit suing The Department of Homeland Security re its application of the immigration law. Did I mention that I tend to throw myself wholeheartedly into things?


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2004-03-04 10:07 AM
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I can see that this is a pretty liberal thread, so I'm going to stay away from it. However, my current view is, it doesn't matter who you vote for, both parties are so middle of the road it's unbelievable.
2004-03-04 10:41 AM
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Once again I proudly wave my Canadian flag before I wade into these waters.
(I should also note that I am a card holding member of the Liberal Party)

With out getting into specifics the current political climate in the U.S. both facinatates and petrifies me.

All I can say is good luck with that!
2004-03-04 11:02 AM
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I live in Canada, so no voting for me, but, if I was US citizen neither Bush or Kerry would get my vote, just like Liberals and Conservatives don't get it in Canada.
What both of our countries need is a complete shake up of political system. Both countries are plagued with political scandals, nobody trusts politicians, and yet we keep electing them.
One term this party, next term the other one. Rinse and repeat, for quite some time now.
If everyone who votes for the lesser of two evils would vote for a third option, for someone else, there would have to be changes.
If I was a US Citizen I'd vote for the person on the ballot that didn't belong to either Democratic or Conservative party and was leftist.

2004-03-04 4:14 PM
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Well on the national level I wish my vote counted. Mass is highly Democratic and any other vote dosen't count. I can not express how much I dispise the electoral colledge. I tend to lean hard to the liberal side, but would love a viable third party canidate. At this point I wish McCain had gone Indipendent. He would "steal" votes from both sides.

On Bush, loved him after 9/11, BUT he has a mean trigger happy side that is a little over the top for me. Since when was the US appointed the judge, jurry and executioner. I thought that was the idea of the UN. At this point I think I would vote for Rodney King "can't we all just get along". For the record Kerry has yet to get a vote of mine.

Joe



2004-03-04 5:42 PM
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2004-03-04 6:16 PM
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Oh, my gosh, I just ranted for about 2 minutes (although a very intelligent rant... I get to say that, because you can no longer read it!!) but then the computer gods swallowed it up, which is all for the best I'm sure.

I'll only comment to Lara--shame on you!! :-) Actually I think the quagmire of California politics could suck the civic duty out of just about anyone!!

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2004-03-04 6:42 PM
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As for this being a liberal thread, that's only because noone has stepped up to the conservative plate yet.  Don't worry, it's not a bar fight.

I hear you about the electoral college.  The problem is that it's winner take all.  So here in PA we're dominated by Philadelphia and the state goes democratic often in state or national elections but if you look at our legislature the vast majority of districts are replublican.  I heard a proposal that I liked once: change the electoral college system for Pres. elections so that delegates were awarded by congressional district rather than by state.  Then you would have pols competing for more local votes, and the republicans of massachussets (sp?) could have some of their votes count.  That seemed like a good idea to me.

Third parties - I like some ideas of the libertarians (maximum personal freedom), greens (environmental stuff), republicans (personal responsibility, frugality),  the democrats (tolerance, liberal social philosophy), and socialists (public resources should be run for the public's benefit).  If I could find a [arty that combined these things I would vote it in a flash.  Instead, the third choices I get are folks like Nader (who's so anti business even I'm turned off) or Perot (my company has a ceo, the nation doesn't need one).  No politician really represents what I believe in.

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2004-03-04 7:07 PM
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... ok, forgiven...

;-)

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2004-03-07 11:20 PM
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LOL...I'm going with TriMom, mostly since we're both from the same state that has presented such Presidential illuminaries like Michael Dukakis and now Kerry. And we would have added Ted Kennedy if he hadn't decided to take Mary Jo for a "triathlon swim" off Chappaquidick Island in 1969.

Maybe I'll just move to Fiji
2004-03-09 1:07 PM
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I'll come out of the closet and lay claim to being the token right wing Republican. I think George Bush is easily the best LEADER this country has had since Reagan. I love a candidate who goes with his gut and whats right and doesnt operate on whims and polls. He has irritated his base as much as he has irritated the left because he does what he knows is right. Even if it means making the right as angry as the left. As far as the UN goes...since when do we need a permission slip to do whats best for our national security? How does it go? Whats right is not always popular and whats popular is not always right.

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2004-03-09 1:15 PM
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thank you God, a voice of sanity! 
2004-03-09 1:46 PM
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I agree with you Bigadams! Everything is so wishy washy I don't know who to believe or even if they know what they believe anymore. We've got a super-spending Conservative who is raising our deficits (the poor next generation) and a flip-flopping Liberal who says marriage must be perserved for a man and a woman but offers support for gay marriage. Huh? Talk about confusing. While, I'm not crazy about the war in Iraq or particularly swooning over more tax cuts, I sick of all the malleable positions these politicians take just to serve the polls. Either you're a conservative or a liberal, I really don't believe in the whole "middle-of-the-road," sensibility or "moderate." Because like it or not your politics should be based on a solid social, ethical, moral and culutral foundation not a seesaw that changes with the wind.
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