Marathon training question + injury
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2008-10-28 10:05 PM |
Expert 1245![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New York | Subject: Marathon training question + injuryPost tib tendonitis is back at it again, in the middle of my marathon training (Philadelphia, Nov. 23). The arch of my right foot was very very sore for a while. This means the past two and a half weeks, all my runs have been in the pool, aqua jogging. Today and yesterday, I did a few miles on dry land and the foot felt fine, but just to be safe I did the rest of the miles in the pool. So, here's my dilemma. The longest run on dry land so far has been a 16 mile run a few weeks ago, which went fine, but then I got injured and my next long run was 18 miles, which I did as a 3.5 hour run in the pool. Last week was a drop down week, so it was a 12 mile run in the pool. This week.... 20 miles. Since I'm starting to feel healed, should I do part of the run on dry land, the other in the pool? (Half and half? 25-75?). My only other long run before I taper is 15 miles. Or the other option, do I do 15 THIS week and 20 NEXT week? In which case, should it also be in deep water or on dry land? (As background, I've done one marathon before, so I know what the distance feels like, as well as doing the half marathon in Philly last year, so I know the course... but I feel concerned going into a marathon without having done at least one 20 miler... Help, what do I do?? Am I ill prepared?) |
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2008-10-28 10:17 PM in reply to: #1772197 |
Extreme Veteran 398![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injury
Sorry to hear about your injury... I usually do three 20 milers to prepare for a marathon but the following training plan is popular around here. It is from Brooks Running Shop...Brooks-Hanson Distance Project with Brian Sell. They recommend a few 16 milers max. They INSIST that 20 milers are not necessary. Check it out and see what you think... http://hansons-running.com/shop/pdf/advanced.pdf Edited by Bronwyn1968 2008-10-28 10:18 PM |
2008-10-29 5:41 AM in reply to: #1772197 |
Champion 7163![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryI have never aqua jogged before and cannot imagine doing a long run that way. Congrats on that front. What is your goal for the race? to finish? or finish in a certain time? If I was going for time, I would want to test out my foot on land for the full 20m. If you can finish it nearly pain free, you know you have two to three weeks to taper and get it even healthier. If it isn't pain free, I would bag the race and look for something later, but that's just me. I did the same thing this year due to an injury. Not running, if I don't have a chance of bettering my time. |
2008-10-29 8:01 AM in reply to: #1772197 |
Coach 10487![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryYou might not be properly prepared but it is tough to give proper advice without knowing more details of your training and not knowing you as an athlete. That been said if this was *me* I would check first with the sports MD to make sure I am good to go. 2nd I would build up my run slowly, cardiovascular you are probably as fit or close to the fitness you had prior to the injury. However your muscles, tendons, etc take a lot longer to adapt to the stress induced through training hence you might be risking re-injure. 3rd. 2 1/2 weeks off your fit is long enough that you need to be careful but not that long that your legs lost completely the endurance adaptations considering you also aqua-jog. So, do some short runs on land and see how the leg responds, if (and this is a big IF) your leg feels good, then go a bit longer but how long is tough to say. You said 16 Mi was you longest run prior the injury so who knows, maybe the long run induced the injury or maybe it was the total running load. Instead of risking going 15-20 Mi and getting yourself back injured try doing half of the session aqua jog and the other part running. That way you will get yourself a bit cardiovascular fatigue and then do the other half on land to get specific training. If the leg feels good then next week do another long run and this time you might try to do like 30-40% on the pool and the rest on land. The point is for you to build up slowly and you can keep on alternating with your shorter runs some in the pool and some on land? It won’t be optimal training for the race but if you are set on run it, you might not be going after a PR but if you train smart between now and the race and allow yourself to heal, you will be able to complete the race by pacing and running a bit conservative. (slower) Good luck |
2008-10-29 8:12 AM in reply to: #1772197 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryYes, you are ill-prepared. I would bag the marathon. |
2008-10-29 9:48 AM in reply to: #1772734 |
Expert 1245![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New York | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryamiine - 2008-10-29 9:01 AM You might not be properly prepared but it is tough to give proper advice without knowing more details of your training and not knowing you as an athlete. That been said if this was *me* I would check first with the sports MD to make sure I am good to go. 2nd I would build up my run slowly, cardiovascular you are probably as fit or close to the fitness you had prior to the injury. However your muscles, tendons, etc take a lot longer to adapt to the stress induced through training hence you might be risking re-injure. 3rd. 2 1/2 weeks off your fit is long enough that you need to be careful but not that long that your legs lost completely the endurance adaptations considering you also aqua-jog. So, do some short runs on land and see how the leg responds, if (and this is a big IF) your leg feels good, then go a bit longer but how long is tough to say. You said 16 Mi was you longest run prior the injury so who knows, maybe the long run induced the injury or maybe it was the total running load. Instead of risking going 15-20 Mi and getting yourself back injured try doing half of the session aqua jog and the other part running. That way you will get yourself a bit cardiovascular fatigue and then do the other half on land to get specific training. If the leg feels good then next week do another long run and this time you might try to do like 30-40% on the pool and the rest on land. The point is for you to build up slowly and you can keep on alternating with your shorter runs some in the pool and some on land? It won’t be optimal training for the race but if you are set on run it, you might not be going after a PR but if you train smart between now and the race and allow yourself to heal, you will be able to complete the race by pacing and running a bit conservative. (slower) Good luck Thanks! Actually, the long run didn't injure the foot--I was goofing off with a friend after a short run and sprinted (on my toes--tendon HATES that) and the next day, it began aching. It's an injury I had earlier this year training for my HIM, so the good thing about that is, I recognize what the injury is and I'm following the exact same recovery plan now as I did then. With the exception that I realized what it was earlier, so I haven't ended up on crutches this time. Before I was injured, my goal was to run the marathon around a 9 min/mile pace. My first marathon a few years ago I completed in a 10:45 min/pace but that was my "I just wanna finish!" race. This one, I know I'm much more fit and, before I was injured, the 9 min/mile pace was definitely in the cards. I still think I might be able to get close to that but I guess that won't be so much the goal, more the icing if it works out that way. Thanks for the advice! |
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2008-10-29 2:32 PM in reply to: #1772197 |
Extreme Veteran 680![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryHave you figured out what is causing the irritation -- for me, I get post tib issues due to a slight external rotation leading to my arch collapsing. Medial posting is essential for me to run pain free -- as is watching my tendency to externally rotate when fatigued. Hope this helps, g PS -- I should add that self massage (getting right in there) really helps clear Edited by GordoByrn 2008-10-29 2:33 PM |
2008-10-29 2:58 PM in reply to: #1773795 |
Expert 1245![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New York | Subject: RE: Marathon training question + injuryUpdate: ran 3.1 miles (in grrr, 30 mins, but whatever at least I'm on dry land) and the foot feels good. I followed that up with 40 mins of pool running, though, just to be safe. GordoByrn - 2008-10-29 3:32 PM Have you figured out what is causing the irritation -- for me, I get post tib issues due to a slight external rotation leading to my arch collapsing. Medial posting is essential for me to run pain free -- as is watching my tendency to externally rotate when fatigued. Hope this helps, g PS -- I should add that self massage (getting right in there) really helps clear Yeah, there are technically two things that seem to cause this injury, which I literally developed only this year. I have ever so light overpronation, which I feel I have under control with orthotics. I notice that if I accidentally forget to put arch supports in a pair of shoes, by the end of the day, I'm feeling it. I'm committed to wearing only my sneakers for the next week until this feels fully healed, not taking any chances. The other thing that seems to cause it is speed training (don't laugh, this is not just some lame excuse not to train fast). But I tend to sprint on my toes, as most people do, and that seems to aggravate the injury something awful. So...arch supports + not running fast seems to be the key to succes. Blah. As for treating it: ibuprophen and ice is a good combo for me. Massage feels good, but I didn't realize it actually helps heal things! Will give that a try, thanks! Edited by swishyskirt 2008-10-29 2:59 PM |
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