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2009-01-15 9:40 AM

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Subject: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?

While we're stirring the pot...might as well add one more.

Pro Choice here...i say let the woman decide if she's going to follow through.



2009-01-15 9:42 AM
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Oh boy.  this one's too hot to touch...  Count me out.

2009-01-15 9:44 AM
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I live in a city where there is one of only a handful of doctors in the U.S. who will perform third term abortions. Third term.

Chew on that.

 

2009-01-15 9:46 AM
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how about a lesbian atheist wanting an abortion while stating she hates america?

tie all those threads into one

 

2009-01-15 9:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?

you can rearrange the letters in 'abortion' to spell 'rain boot.'

Maybe lots of people find rain boots scary.  I don't.

2009-01-15 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
tri_d00d - 2009-01-15 10:46 AM

how about a lesbian atheist wanting an abortion while stating she hates america?

tie all those threads into one

 

Is she scared of CoJ??



2009-01-15 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?

Because among other things, abortion always kills a human person.

The pro-life movement is a natural outgrowth and legitimate successor to the civil rights movement of the '60s. It is about protecting the disenfranchised, those without a voice.

By the way, the March For Life is next Thursday in DC. Any other BTrs going to be there?

2009-01-15 9:50 AM
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dontracy - 2009-01-15 10:49 AM

By the way, the March For Life is next Thursday in DC. Any other BTrs going to be there?

Nope But I know some folks who will be.

2009-01-15 9:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
steveseer - 2009-01-15 9:48 AM
tri_d00d - 2009-01-15 10:46 AM

how about a lesbian atheist wanting an abortion while stating she hates america?

tie all those threads into one

 

Is she scared of CoJ??

Only the moderators.

2009-01-15 9:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
dontracy - 2009-01-15 10:49 AM

Because among other things, abortion always kills a human person.

The pro-life movement is a natural outgrowth and legitimate successor to the civil rights movement of the '60s. It is about protecting the disenfranchised, those without a voice.

By the way, the March For Life is next Thursday in DC. Any other BTrs going to be there?

Not going to be there, but agree with you, Don.

2009-01-15 10:05 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?

Interesting Op-Ed in the Journal last week on this issue and the politics behind it since the 60's...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123145161559565713.html

I have battled with this one...but I think there is one issue that MUST be addressed regarding life.  And I think you have to address at what point, is a fetus considered a "life". 

I know the right wingers say conception.  But I think, If the courts would establish sustainability WITH modern medical assistance as the cut off, it would satisfy all issues at hand.  If you're to that point, as a woman there has been plenty of time to address the choice issue; and at the same time you satisfy the pro lifers "life begins" argument.  

...now continue with regularly scheduled programing.



2009-01-15 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
They should find a way to determine sexual preference before birth, then abort ONLY those. Oh and atheists. If they could abort the gays and atheists that'd be cool. And non-Christians. Yes, those heathens too. Then it'd be alllllll gooooooood. Society would be PERFECT!
2009-01-15 10:21 AM
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mr2tony - 2009-01-15 11:17 AM They should find a way to determine sexual preference before birth, then abort ONLY those. Oh and atheists. If they could abort the gays and atheists that'd be cool. And non-Christians. Yes, those heathens too. Then it'd be alllllll gooooooood. Society would be PERFECT!

Did you intend to use [ sarc ] font?



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2009-01-15 10:22 AM
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ROBIT79 - 2009-01-15 11:21 AM

mr2tony - 2009-01-15 11:17 AM They should find a way to determine sexual preference before birth, then abort ONLY those. Oh and atheists. If they could abort the gays and atheists that'd be cool. And non-Christians. Yes, those heathens too. Then it'd be alllllll gooooooood. Society would be PERFECT!

Did you intend to use [ sarc ] font?

I'm thinking that's a yes...

2009-01-15 10:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
ROBIT79 - 2009-01-15 11:21 AM

mr2tony - 2009-01-15 11:17 AM They should find a way to determine sexual preference before birth, then abort ONLY those. Oh and atheists. If they could abort the gays and atheists that'd be cool. And non-Christians. Yes, those heathens too. Then it'd be alllllll gooooooood. Society would be PERFECT!

Did you intend to use [ sarc ] font?

I don't think he did, I think that it was pretty obvious.

2009-01-15 10:25 AM
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Tri'nNC - 2009-01-15 10:05 AM

Interesting Op-Ed in the Journal last week on this issue and the politics behind it since the 60's...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123145161559565713.html

I have battled with this one...but I think there is one issue that MUST be addressed regarding life.  And I think you have to address at what point, is a fetus considered a "life". 

I know the right wingers say conception.  But I think, If the courts would establish sustainability WITH modern medical assistance as the cut off, it would satisfy all issues at hand.  If you're to that point, as a woman there has been plenty of time to address the choice issue; and at the same time you satisfy the pro lifers "life begins" argument.  

...now continue with regularly scheduled programing.

 

Interesting point. I am not a right winger, a Libertarian to be specific, and an agnostic; but I still believe life begins at conception. As far as abortion goes, I think the Federal government ought to not be involved.



2009-01-15 10:31 AM
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SrA_Rugenstein - 2009-01-15 10:25 AM

Interesting point. I am not a right winger, a Libertarian to be specific, and an agnostic; but I still believe life begins at conception. As far as abortion goes, I think the Federal government ought to not be involved.

OK not to stir the pot...

So you believe life begins at conception. And you don't believe the government should have a say in whether or not women choose to END what you believe is life. How is that different than murder?

I'm honestly curious about this logic.

Most people who say they don't want the government involved DON'T believe life begins until a baby is born.

 



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2009-01-15 10:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
dontracy - 2009-01-15 8:49 AM

Because among other things, abortion always kills a human person.

The pro-life movement is a natural outgrowth and legitimate successor to the civil rights movement of the '60s. It is about protecting the disenfranchised, those without a voice.

By the way, the March For Life is next Thursday in DC. Any other BTrs going to be there?

Not going to be there. However, as a rare pro-life atheist I agree with the notion that the civial rights of the unborn are being trampled. Every one of us went through the many stages of human development. Why should a human in a particular stage be considered less worthy of life than a human at any other stage?

In my view, a person only gets once chance at a very finite life. Why should they be denied the right to live? Even the person who was responsible for Roe v Wade see's the massive carnage that resulted and is actively working to have the decision overturned.

2009-01-15 10:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
I have delivered and watched die a 20 week old "nonviable" infant.  It was fully formed.  Eyelids were still fused shut.  It responded to touch, had a form of cry, shivered until covered, moved its extremities, had a heartbeat, tried to breath, and after about 20-30 minutes died in its mother's arms.  I became ProLife on that day.  All major organs are formed within the first trimester.  The vast majority of infants that make it through the first trimester survive.  I believe that there is life present prior to the urine pregnancy test becoming positive.  I can understand one arguing the point up to the end of the first trimester, though.  I think that anything past this point is selfish, brutal and cruel.
2009-01-15 10:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?

ironically enough...i'm in the libertarian boat with you.  And the social issues have very little if any place in the greedy grasps of the government. 

“Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights.”

 

2009-01-15 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Why does abortion scare so many in the US?
Donskiman -

Not going to be there. However, as a rare pro-life atheist I agree with the notion that the civial rights of the unborn are being trampled.


Even the person who was responsible for Roe v Wade see's the massive carnage that resulted and is actively working to have the decision overturned.

Do you mean Norma McCorvey aka Jane Roe? Here's a youtube where she talks about her involvement in the Roe v Wade decision as the biggest mistake in her life.



2009-01-15 10:53 AM
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ROBIT79 - 2009-01-15 10:21 AM

mr2tony - 2009-01-15 11:17 AM They should find a way to determine sexual preference before birth, then abort ONLY those. Oh and atheists. If they could abort the gays and atheists that'd be cool. And non-Christians. Yes, those heathens too. Then it'd be alllllll gooooooood. Society would be PERFECT!

Did you intend to use [ sarc ] font?

 Have we come up with a stereotyping font for COJ yet?

2009-01-15 10:54 AM
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lisac957 - 2009-01-15 11:31 AM
SrA_Rugenstein - 2009-01-15 10:25 AM

Interesting point. I am not a right winger, a Libertarian to be specific, and an agnostic; but I still believe life begins at conception. As far as abortion goes, I think the Federal government ought to not be involved.

OK not to stir the pot...

So you believe life begins at conception. And you don't believe the government should have a say in whether or not women choose to END what you believe is life. How is that different than murder?

I'm honestly curious about this logic.

Most people who say they don't want the government involved DON'T believe life begins until a baby is born.

 

In my opnion, the logic is pretty simple actually.  They are separate issues.  I may believe X; but I don't believe the government should have the opportunity to have an opinion on X.  Personal beliefs are not the purpose of government.  

The official platform for the Libertarian party states..."1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

At the VERY LEAST...the issue should be left up for each state to decide and not the Federal gov't. 

2009-01-15 10:56 AM
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just TO stir the pot,, well more of a think of it this way..
  The government already has a huge say in when life begins,,or a particular part of it..... it's called the IRS.  They say once a child if born thats when you recieve some financial compensation, yet there are many expenses the mother/family has before birth..

2009-01-15 11:02 AM
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Tri'nNC - 2009-01-15 10:54 AM
lisac957 - 2009-01-15 11:31 AM
SrA_Rugenstein - 2009-01-15 10:25 AM

Interesting point. I am not a right winger, a Libertarian to be specific, and an agnostic; but I still believe life begins at conception. As far as abortion goes, I think the Federal government ought to not be involved.

OK not to stir the pot...

So you believe life begins at conception. And you don't believe the government should have a say in whether or not women choose to END what you believe is life. How is that different than murder?

I'm honestly curious about this logic.

Most people who say they don't want the government involved DON'T believe life begins until a baby is born.

 

In my opnion, the logic is pretty simple actually.  They are separate issues.  I may believe X; but I don't believe the government should have the opportunity to have an opinion on X.  Personal beliefs are not the purpose of government.  

The official platform for the Libertarian party states..."1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

At the VERY LEAST...the issue should be left up for each state to decide and not the Federal gov't. 

Well my question still stands, that if someone believes life begins at conception - how is abortion not murder?

We all agree (I hope, anyway) that murder is wrong and punishable by law.

Therefore... why wouldn't the government be involved in one type of murder (abortion) when they are involved in every other type of murder?

 



Edited by lisac957 2009-01-15 11:02 AM
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