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 2009-02-01 5:26 PM |
Extreme Veteran  398   Southeastern Michigan |  Subject: Could you look at my postion on the bike?I had a LBS fit me on my bike. I am having left knee pain only when I bike. The knee pain was on the inside on my knee and is now on the outside. Sometimes in the middle. I don't have that pain when I run. It will irritate me after I bike for awhile.,.especially when walking up stairs. My next step is to get a FIST fit which I was trying to avoid paying for. I was just wondering if there is something obviously wrong with my fit. I know the pics aren't that great but maybe I could get some advice. Excuse the mess in the attic!
 He over did it a bit!
Edited by Bronwyn1968 2009-02-01 5:27 PM |
| 2009-02-01 5:29 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
| Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? I am not a fitter nor an expert, but sure looks like your seat is too high |
| 2009-02-01 5:31 PM in reply to: #1940211 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? ChrisM - 2009-02-01 6:29 PM I am not a fitter nor an expert, but sure looks like your seat is too high When I lower the seat, I get this popping sound in my knee and it becomes more painful! The bike fitter had it lower and it hurt my knee more. I feel like I am in a catch-22 situation. |
| 2009-02-01 5:41 PM in reply to: #1940215 |
Expert 966 Decatur | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? can you slide your saddle forward then lower the seat? |
| 2009-02-01 5:43 PM in reply to: #1940224 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? latrina - 2009-02-01 6:41 PM can you slide your saddle forward then lower the seat? Funny, the guy wanted the seat farther back and lower. I will go try forward and lower right now... |
| 2009-02-01 5:44 PM in reply to: #1940215 |
| New user 9 Marlton, NJ | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Edited by Team TRIumph 2009-02-01 5:46 PM |
| 2009-02-01 5:47 PM in reply to: #1940227 |
Member 42 Medford, NJ | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Sounds like a shoe/pedal problem. When the cleats go on the shoes, they need to be angled properly, or you're tweaking your knee on every revolution since your foot and lower leg cannot align itself properly with your upper leg. I'd go back to the LBS and ask them to adjust it. They should do this free of charge. If they push back, that's a sign that you need to go somewhere else. You may also need shims in-between the shoe and cleat to make things right. I wouldn't ride until you get it corrected. You can do lasting damage to your knees. This is bad pain, not the good stuff! |
| 2009-02-01 5:52 PM in reply to: #1940232 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? RNH - 2009-02-01 6:47 PM Sounds like a shoe/pedal problem. When the cleats go on the shoes, they need to be angled properly, or you're tweaking your knee on every revolution since your foot and lower leg cannot align itself properly with your upper leg. I'd go back to the LBS and ask them to adjust it. They should do this free of charge. If they push back, that's a sign that you need to go somewhere else. You may also need shims in-between the shoe and cleat to make things right. I wouldn't ride until you get it corrected. You can do lasting damage to your knees. This is bad pain, not the good stuff! I had the guy adjust the cleats. I stayed off the bike for about two weeks so my knee could heal. I am just easing back into it. I find that people who own/work in bike shops are just human and I get a lot of misinformation and conflicting information. I just wanna be able to ride... Especially since I just signed up for a HIM! |
| 2009-02-01 5:53 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
Expert 966 Decatur | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? try tilting your seat down also. the tilt on my seat helped alot. the cleat thing too. but i cycle with a slight point in the toe. when i had my fit the guy wanted the saddle forward but then he moved it back when i kept fidgeting in aero. just offering suggestions |
| 2009-02-01 5:59 PM in reply to: #1940237 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? latrina - 2009-02-01 6:53 PM try tilting your seat down also. the tilt on my seat helped alot. the cleat thing too. but i cycle with a slight point in the toe. when i had my fit the guy wanted the saddle forward but then he moved it back when i kept fidgeting in aero. just offering suggestions I did feel a little more powerful being down and forward. I am going to wait until Tuesday to do a bike workout (so the knee can rest). This forum is so great to get advice from other people! Thanks! |
| 2009-02-01 6:57 PM in reply to: #1940239 |
Expert 1183 Fort Wayne, IN | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? I found this information very useful. I've been adjusting my seat position due to knee pain. You may find it useful as well. http://www.caree.org/bike101bikefit.htm |
| 2009-02-01 10:09 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
Extreme Veteran 536 Millersville, MD | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? It's hard to tell from the bike pictures, but your saddle seems too high. And, although it's very hard to see, where are you sitting on the saddle? Looks like you are very far forward on it in those pictures, like right on the nose, usually only a shorter, harder effort position. And, maybe pulling a spacer out of the front might lower your upper body, but that depends on how you feel and how aggressive a position you want. Start moving the saddle down and go from there. |
| 2009-02-02 6:59 AM in reply to: #1940208 |
| Extreme Veteran 454 OKC | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? WAY too high. Roughly - sit on the bike, pedal backwards at 30+ rpm with your heels on the pedals, and don't let your hips rock side to side. A correct seat height will have your heels just barely touching the pedal at bottom dead center, +/- a little depending on shoe/pedal thickness. Verify this by measuring your inseam (w/o shoes, back against the wall, book snug against your crotch, measure from the topmost point of where the book hits the wall). USAC recs are 105-107% of your inseam, w/o accounting for shoe/pedal thickness. Pain on the outside often indicates saddle too high / ITBS. Don't go outside of the recommended norms to fix one problem, cause you might end up causing another. If you're just starting out, don't be pushing a big gear, give your connective tissue some time to adjust. Pedal 85+ rpm, and work into the time. If you have knee pain with your seat at the recommended height, I'd be willing to be you have some other problem going on. Knee not tracking correctly, for example. |
| 2009-02-02 7:01 AM in reply to: #1940208 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? I was having the exact knee pain you described. went to get a non-FIST fit, adjusted my seat and cleat position. nothing since.
I, as the fitter, thought it was cleat position more than anything. the angled them differently and slid them back more so the cleat lined up witht he ball of my foot. It worked! |
| 2009-02-02 9:05 AM in reply to: #1940208 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Thanks for the help. It would of helped if I had a nice white wall behind me instead of my spin bike, etc...
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| 2009-02-02 3:46 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
| New user 25 | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? If you can, post a video of you pedaling, with the camera at about mid-leg level and level, try to include your whole upper body and head as well, it is much easier to look at the positioning rather than with pictures |
| 2009-02-03 5:25 AM in reply to: #1941890 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Eessor - 2009-02-02 3:46 PM If you can, post a video of you pedaling, with the camera at about mid-leg level and level, try to include your whole upper body and head as well, it is much easier to look at the positioning rather than with pictures My first inclination is your seat is just a bit too high, but you can't tell much about seat height from a static positioning of the leg. People generally straighten their leg more when they put their foot at the 6 o'clock position then when it is there during the pedal rotation. A total generalization, back of knee pain is typically from the seat being to high. So the fitter was probably correct to lower your seat initially. Edited by graceful_dave 2009-02-03 5:26 AM |
| 2009-02-03 11:07 AM in reply to: #1940208 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Update: I made an appointment for a FIST fit on Friday. I am so frustrated that I am going to put up the cash. If my knee still hurts after that, I don't know what to say! |
| 2009-02-03 4:21 PM in reply to: #1943214 |
Extreme Veteran 744 Ontario | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? I see that you are in SE Michigan, so I would recomend Bikesport in Dearborn. I have been FIST fitted there for 2 bikes and have been please with the results. |
| 2009-02-04 5:32 PM in reply to: #1943938 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? DaveH - 2009-02-03 5:21 PM I see that you are in SE Michigan, so I would recomend Bikesport in Dearborn. I have been FIST fitted there for 2 bikes and have been please with the results. I am going to Fraser Bike...I considered going to Bikesport but Fraser is closer and I would be able to go back there more frequently. I just hope I can ride pain free when I am done with the fit!! |
| 2009-02-04 9:26 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
Regular 77 | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? You need to get a getter shot of yourself from the side. The thing with fitting and what the angles and measurements are "suppose" to be is just a starting point, something to get you close. From there comfort is probably the most important. I'm not an expert or certified, that's just what I've studied so far. Hopefully you get things figured out. Andy, |
| 2009-02-06 11:51 AM in reply to: #1940208 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Okay...I got my overpriced bike fit today. Good news: 1. my bike will work for this season 2. the expensive seat I bought is the right size 3. the aerobars and forward seatpost I bought will work Adjustments: 1. raised my seat 2. brought me forward...my seat is way forward now. 3. added a lift in my shoe to get my leg pedaling even/straight Strangely, my knee even come close to hitting the elbow rest of my aerobars anymore. Did you know that bike grease does NOT come out of clothes?? I have it all over my white coat and my pink Underarmour top. Not happy! If you know some miraculous way to get it out, let me know! Hopefully, my knee won't hurt after all this! Should I take a pic of me on it after my adjustments?
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| 2009-02-06 12:11 PM in reply to: #1949226 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Bronwyn1968 - 2009-02-06 12:51 PM Okay...I got my overpriced bike fit today. Good news: 1. my bike will work for this season 2. the expensive seat I bought is the right size 3. the aerobars and forward seatpost I bought will work Adjustments: 1. raised my seat 2. brought me forward...my seat is way forward now. 3. added a lift in my shoe to get my leg pedaling even/straight Strangely, my knee even come close to hitting the elbow rest of my aerobars anymore. Did you know that bike grease does NOT come out of clothes?? I have it all over my white coat and my pink Underarmour top. Not happy! If you know some miraculous way to get it out, let me know! Hopefully, my knee won't hurt after all this! Should I take a pic of me on it after my adjustments? May I ask what you consider overpriced? Did you pedal any amount of time with your new position? First thing I would do is mark your seat post and any other potential movement points with a sharpie. You should have also gotten a list of angles from the fitter. |
| 2009-02-06 12:20 PM in reply to: #1949273 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? Marvarnett - 2009-02-06 1:11 PM Bronwyn1968 - 2009-02-06 12:51 PM Okay...I got my overpriced bike fit today. Good news: 1. my bike will work for this season 2. the expensive seat I bought is the right size 3. the aerobars and forward seatpost I bought will work Adjustments: 1. raised my seat 2. brought me forward...my seat is way forward now. 3. added a lift in my shoe to get my leg pedaling even/straight Strangely, my knee even come close to hitting the elbow rest of my aerobars anymore. Did you know that bike grease does NOT come out of clothes?? I have it all over my white coat and my pink Underarmour top. Not happy! If you know some miraculous way to get it out, let me know! Hopefully, my knee won't hurt after all this! Should I take a pic of me on it after my adjustments? May I ask what you consider overpriced? Did you pedal any amount of time with your new position? First thing I would do is mark your seat post and any other potential movement points with a sharpie. You should have also gotten a list of angles from the fitter. When I was done, it was $215. Thanks for the tip about marking the bike and I got the angles from him and what brand and size tri bike would be good to purchase. I was there 2 hours and pedaled in that position for awhile. |
| 2009-02-06 1:06 PM in reply to: #1940208 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Southeastern Michigan | Subject: RE: Could you look at my postion on the bike? <a xhref="http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii263/bronwyn1968/?action=view¤t=100_2327.jpg" target="_blank"><img xsrc="http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii263/bronwyn1968/100_2327.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Here is the post-fit pic. Makes me want to focus on my diet...yikes! I am going to keep this pic and do a side-by-side comparison after all my HIM training. Hopefully, I will look better...geez! |
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