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2009-02-05 9:43 PM

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Subject: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
Why is it that some people buy a set of wheels ONLY for racing, then have another set for training? Is this like swinging a heavy bat in the on deck circle? Seems to me it would be fine to use the same wheels all the time...maybe just changing the tires. I have a decent set of wheels on my tri bike I just picked up...should I look for some training wheels and use these only for races or can I use these for rides and on the bike trainer?


2009-02-05 10:20 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

if no one beats me too it, i think the reason for race wheels is because people get aero wheels for racing. Since aero wheels are expensive (easily $1000 for a pair), it is not worth the risk of training on them. Aero wheels are lighter, and more aerodynamic, so they are faster.

I don't have any race wheels, yet.  I may get some, but it's hard for me to spend that much on a set of wheels! 



Edited by ultrahip_00 2009-02-05 10:21 PM
2009-02-05 10:25 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
if you have the cash/need the speed, you get race wheels to pick up a bit of speed, but training on them is asking for trouble with a 1k-4k wheelset. no you deff do not need them.
2009-02-05 10:42 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
personally, i didnt get my wheels to use half a dozen times a year. i dont use them for every ride, but i do get some use out of them. mine are deep (90) so i keep trying to hit some crosswinds so i can see how they react. thats been my main goal so far, but i havent had a really windy day since i got them so i'm going to keep trying
2009-02-05 10:48 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
haha i hear you on wanting to ride them.

but for me they were a large enough investment that they need to last, i cannot replace them, and i race enough (16-20 times a year), that i get to ride them a lot:-)
2009-02-06 4:17 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

There are a lot of reasons:

Say you are going to pay $2000 for a new pair of 2009 zipp 404 wheels weighing in at a whopping 1250 grams.  The carbon rims are going to require special brake pads, if the brake surfaces are dirty (riding in the rain and sand) the rims can wear down quickly.  Part of being light and aero means having less spokes, so they are obviously not as strong and robust as a regular heavy 32 spoke wheelset (that probably weights over 1800 grams).   You also will probably go with tubular wheels, so now you have the fun of gluing the wheels on the rims and carrying around an entire spare wheel instead of just a spare tube.  Though you can get some flat repair kits that will fill the tire with a foam that stops the leak.

 So when you are training now, a few thousands of km per year, you want a bomb-proof, clincher wheel that you can ride in the rain, snow, bad road conditions.   A wheel that if you happen to break a spoke or two, the worst that happens is that the wheel goes out of true a bit, so you can loosen your brakes and still ride home.  On a lightweight aero wheel you would be walking.



2009-02-06 8:17 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

Very few factory wheelsets on OEM bikes are 32 spoke anymore.  Most are 18 - 24.  So the "less spokes is weaker" argument goes out the door, especially with deeper section rims.  The surface area and shape of the aero rim is actually stronger than a typical box rim.  And even if you are running tubulars if you compare a traditional road rim to an aero rim, the aero one is typically heavier.

But the general principle of not wanting to ride around on a $2500 set of wheels and risk a failure usually outweighs the aero advantage and cool factor (unless you have a lot of disposable income).

2009-02-06 10:32 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
yeah rick,

i was going to agree there, my race wheels deff outweigh my training wheels.

but that said, there is no way i am playing with the race wheels on a daily basis unless i start pulling in a LOT more cash.
2009-02-06 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

Interesting thing is, since I run tubies for my race wheels and clinchers for my training wheels, I drop close to a pound on the bike by swapping them out!

Even on my uber-light road bike, it was almost .2 pounds swapping out the clinchers for the 999's.  Who'd of thunk that putting on a disc wheel on my road bike would make it LIGHTER!

Guess I should use them when I weigh in the bike ..... it would make it under 14 lbs.

2009-02-06 8:02 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
i had to go check after that post.

the weight of the tubular race wheels vs the clincer training were actually a tiny bit in favor of the race wheels. (blackwell disk/100 front vs fulcrum 7 training wheels).

doesnt help the heavy frame much though. haha.
2009-02-08 12:11 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
I have Zipp 1080s. I only use them in races, during my own personal time trials, and a couple rides before a race just to get used to them. I don't want a training crash damaging them and they just aren't as fun to ride as the stock wheels that came with my bike. My routes are very hilly, with fast downhill curves, and terrain enhanced wind that is funky. Not a good match for the Zipps.


2009-02-08 12:36 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
Two training rides in 2 weeks I have seen people ruin their Zipp's. One broke a spoke and tried to ride back to civilization on it. This weekend we rode the Ironman course in New Orleans and one guy caught a flat on his tubular Zipp, his spare also had a hole in it so he rode it back flat. We looked at it when he got back and the wheel was cracked.

I only use mine during races and usually one ride before a race to make sure everything is working ok.
2009-02-09 6:35 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

A lot of people are using the Zipp 404's for race and training, evidently they are pretty duarbale.  If you are going to train with a power tap, it is a nice option so that you can train and race with power without having to buy two PT hubs.  This cycling stuff gets pretty darn expensive when you start pricing out the options.  I don't think I would go for that option if I have tubulars for the reasons mentioned in the prior post.



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2009-02-09 8:25 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

Cajuntriguy - 2009-02-08 1:36 PM Two training rides in 2 weeks I have seen people ruin their Zipp's. One broke a spoke and tried to ride back to civilization on it. This weekend we rode the Ironman course in New Orleans and one guy caught a flat on his tubular Zipp, his spare also had a hole in it so he rode it back flat. We looked at it when he got back and the wheel was cracked. I only use mine during races and usually one ride before a race to make sure everything is working ok.

I suppose that makes the point, sort of.  But in both cases, it sounds like the permanent damage could have been avoided.

2009-02-09 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
it also sounds like there may have been something wrong withthe wheel in the 2nd case. you are supposed to be able to ride a tubular rim with a flat for a pretty good ways without hurting them.



greg, so those where money is an issue, and want the power data personally i would have the PT laced into a solid training wheel, do the work in training and race with something else (assuming you have it), and not risk the 404 in training. after a while your body gets pretty in tune with power levels (just like hr, speed, pace, ect). oooorrrr. put a 60 dollar disk cover on that baby, you then have a power disk!
2009-02-09 11:05 AM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels

I concur with the sentiment.

I have cheap, heavy duty training wheels that are easy to fix/replace. I have had nails go through the rim on rides before, and fixing spokes are cheap ($1) and easy.

My racing wheels are tubular and a flat will run me $70. I was riding a spinergy years ago on a prerace prep ride and dropped my chain. It shot up and tore the carbon spoke. bye bye wheel.



2009-02-09 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: tri wheel questions - race v. training wheels
Yep, I agree.  That's exactly what I am going to do for now.  Maybe later spring for 404's.  I would probably be better bang for the buck with a coach rather than the set of wheels.  My trainers are pretty light - good enough for now.
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