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2009-06-30 9:01 AM

Subject: Sharing Medical Issues with Employer?

This is kind of a random question, and I hope this doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of "whining about my personal life" as I have recently been accused, but I'm not quite sure how to handle this particular situation. If you are annoyed by this post, please just do me a favor and ignore it.

I am currently dealing with a medical issue that may or may not be serious (it has yet to be seen - more stuff would need to be done). I have already had to have a few appointments and exams done, and will have to have a few more, and most likely a small surgical procedure. I am very low on the totem pole and also pretty new to the company, so I am concerned that my continual appointments are going to reflect poorly against me. Last week, I was made to reschedule an important follow-up visit because they thought it would interfere with some project that they needed me on. It didn't - the project was expected to  be done the day before the appointment, and we did finish it on time.  But they wanted me to be available "just in case" - mind you, this appointment would have taken an hour tops. Not exactly going to ruin the day.

So I am concerned that having to go to these appointments and probably have minor surgery will put my job in jeopardy, or at least make me look irresponsible. I have done my best to try to schedule these early in the day, but the doctor's office where I am being treated is only open from 9 to 5. So I can only do so much. The other factor here is that my immediate supervisor is male, and the problem is somewhat "female" in nature (and NO, I'm not pregnant), so I certainly can't go into detail about why this issue needs to be taken care of asap.

How should I go about letting my supervisor know that I will have to have more appointments and surgery, still conveying the serious nature of this issue, but not making it seem like I am being irresponsible? Given the economic state and the fact that I was laid off in January, I just don't want to do anything that would put my job at risk. Thoughts?



2009-06-30 9:07 AM
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Do you get a lunch hour?  If so, try to schedule appointments during this time.  You could also just tell your supervisor the real issue.  He should understand.  I know if it were me, I would hear "female issues" and wouldn't want to hear any more

2009-06-30 9:08 AM
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wes mantooth - 2009-06-30 10:07 AM

Do you get a lunch hour?  If so, try to schedule appointments during this time.  You could also just tell your supervisor the real issue.  He should understand.  I know if it were me, I would hear "female issues" and wouldn't want to hear any more

Yes, I try to do that, however, usually travel to and from the appointment takes time - this is DC, after all. So I am inevitably gone for more than an hour, especially once you add in the obligatory wait time that you get at all doctor's offices.

2009-06-30 9:20 AM
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Well you need to discuss it with him. BUT when you discuss it with him, you also need to state what you will do in return for going to these appointments... aka: come in early, stay late, work weekends... etc. Instead of just going in there saying what they need to do for you (let you have off 2 hours for these appointments) you also need to go in there stating how important the job is to you and what you are willing to do for them.

2009-06-30 9:20 AM
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I had some medical issues a couple years ago where I had to miss alot of work for appointments.  At the time I was working at an organization that was somewhat "micro-managed" and also people liked to gossup.  While i could have tried to continue to work appoinments aroung long lunches and such, I deceided to be upfront with my supervisor about what was going on. This was one of the few times that i felt my management was supportive and it made it much easier on me becuaase I didn't have to stress about when I would schedule appoinments. 

I'm not a female but I do have a wife and I know there are some things that are not comfortable to discuss with the other gender.  It's really none of their business.  If you don't wany him to know, I would just leave it at you have some medical issues that you wish to keep private. 

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2009-06-30 9:25 AM
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Agree with KSH...
I'd also just be frank and tell him what's going on without the details. If he knows the truth, he's less likely to think you're trying to "get away" with something or are being irresponsible. Unless I misread, you haven't told anyone what is going on... you've just been going to a lot of doc appts?

I think a little communication will go a LONG ways here.

 


2009-06-30 9:33 AM
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To cover a few questions people have raised:

When I've had appointments, I've come in early and left late, in order to make up the hours. They know this. I have not slacked on hours because of these appointments.

No, I haven't told them the exact condition, though I have implied that the situation is possibly serious and somewhat time-sensitive and that all of the appointments are related - but I also worry that NOT telling them, and only mentioning that it's female in nature will make them think that it's something long term like pregnancy - no one likes a pregnant employee. But part of me also feels like it's not my male boss's business what's going on inside my lady bits - I could care less about people I don't know on the interwebs - none of you can fire me from my job

Rayd - my boss is definitely the micro-managing type - another reason why I am concerned.



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2009-06-30 9:52 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2009-06-30 9:33 AM

To cover a few questions people have raised:

When I've had appointments, I've come in early and left late, in order to make up the hours. They know this. I have not slacked on hours because of these appointments.

No, I haven't told them the exact condition, though I have implied that the situation is possibly serious and somewhat time-sensitive and that all of the appointments are related - but I also worry that NOT telling them, and only mentioning that it's female in nature will make them think that it's something long term like pregnancy - no one likes a pregnant employee. But part of me also feels like it's not my male boss's business what's going on inside my lady bits - I could care less about people I don't know on the interwebs - none of you can fire me from my job

Rayd - my boss is definitely the micro-managing type - another reason why I am concerned.



It sounds like you have a problem with this being a male boss and wouldn't have the problem if he was female. Use medical terms (ex: They are treating me for endromitriosous (sic?)) Lay it on the table without going into any more detail than the medical term for it - if not talk with HR how you should handle it.

BTW - I have been manager and although pregnancies can cause some disruptions I disagree that "no one like a pregnant employee" wholeheartedly. Virtually every company I have been to has treated them pregnant women better than other employees - bending over backward to meet their needs.

Good luck.
2009-06-30 10:01 AM
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They're not going to think you're pregnant, and you don't have to tell them what the issue is or that it's a female issue. Just say you have been dealing with a medical matter, and you appreciate their flexibility in allowing you to take appts during work hours, etc. Let them know to expect a few more appts in the short term and that there might be a surgery which could require a few days out of the office, but that you also hope/think the situation will resolved quickly. Ask them if they have any concerns about the matter in how it relates to work. As others said, a little communication goes a long way and just talking a little about it will really help. Most people are fairly reasonable and compassionate and don't want to see an employee who is already stressed about a medical situation have to also be stressed about 30 mins here and there at work. A candid conversation could result in a moment of just two people talking, rather than boss and employee, and it might make your boss your compassionate about the situation and you less nervous about what your boss will think.

2009-06-30 10:02 AM
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Also consider getting your doctor to write a note RE: your particular medical condition. They can use all the medical technical terms they need to and if you give a copy to your boss and to your HR department that sort of covers you in multiple ways. Also if the doctor implies that it is not necessarily a long term thing, like pregnancy, but just needs to be taken care of now, (says several more appointments and a short surgery with being out x number of days for recovery and then you are good to go back to work) This provides legitimate documentation and communication to your employer/boss about what is going on and if I remember right, legally they are not supposed to be able to fire you or harrass you for something like that. (I could be wrong here, I just know that for my workplace, they are very supportive of anyone with a medical condition and know that the quickest way to keep everything efficient is to get it managed/cured as quickly and safely as possible.)

Just my 2 cents! Good luck and I hope it all goes better.
2009-06-30 10:04 AM
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Wolff27 - 2009-06-30 10:52 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2009-06-30 9:33 AM

To cover a few questions people have raised:

When I've had appointments, I've come in early and left late, in order to make up the hours. They know this. I have not slacked on hours because of these appointments.

No, I haven't told them the exact condition, though I have implied that the situation is possibly serious and somewhat time-sensitive and that all of the appointments are related - but I also worry that NOT telling them, and only mentioning that it's female in nature will make them think that it's something long term like pregnancy - no one likes a pregnant employee. But part of me also feels like it's not my male boss's business what's going on inside my lady bits - I could care less about people I don't know on the interwebs - none of you can fire me from my job

Rayd - my boss is definitely the micro-managing type - another reason why I am concerned.

  I have been manager and although pregnancies can cause some disruptions I disagree that "no one like a pregnant employee" wholeheartedly. Virtually every company I have been to has treated them pregnant women better than other employees - bending over backward to meet their needs. Good luck.

I agree with you. We have two pregnant women in our 13-person department here at work. One will be going on leave just as the other returns. They actually work together on the same 3-person team within our department. Yes, it will make things tough, but no seems at all bothered by...not the male who leads the team they're on or the male who runs our department. It's all good.



2009-06-30 10:09 AM
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I would suggest talking to an HR person and looking into intermittent FMLA.  It's designed to cover situations like yours where there is a medical condition that requires intermittent (as opposed to continual...ie a hospital stay) absence from work.  I know you are making up the time, but filing for it would not hurt.  You get up to 12 weeks/year.
2009-06-30 10:10 AM
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How long have you been at your current company?  How big is the company?  If you've been there for more than one year and worked at least 1250 hours, and if your company has at least 50 employees you might want to look into Family and Medical Leave.  FMLA is meant to provide job protection in the event you miss work due to a "serious illness or injury" for up to 12 weeks.  Depending on your medical condition, you might be eligible. 
2009-06-30 10:10 AM
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bel83 - 2009-06-30 11:02 AM Also consider getting your doctor to write a note RE: your particular medical condition. They can use all the medical technical terms they need to and if you give a copy to your boss and to your HR department that sort of covers you in multiple ways. Also if the doctor implies that it is not necessarily a long term thing, like pregnancy, but just needs to be taken care of now, (says several more appointments and a short surgery with being out x number of days for recovery and then you are good to go back to work) This provides legitimate documentation and communication to your employer/boss about what is going on and if I remember right, legally they are not supposed to be able to fire you or harrass you for something like that. (I could be wrong here, I just know that for my workplace, they are very supportive of anyone with a medical condition and know that the quickest way to keep everything efficient is to get it managed/cured as quickly and safely as possible.)

Just my 2 cents! Good luck and I hope it all goes better.

Ooh, that's a good idea - I won't be able to get the note until my next appointment b/c I am switching doctors (not happy with the original doctor), but I will do that once I go.

 



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2009-06-30 10:11 AM
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Oops, I took too long to respond.  Someone already mentioned FMLA.

The company has 60 employees?  How far apart are the offices?  You may still be eligible.
2009-06-30 10:13 AM
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aggiegrad96 - 2009-06-30 11:10 AM How long have you been at your current company?  How big is the company?  If you've been there for more than one year and worked at least 1250 hours, and if your company has at least 50 employees you might want to look into Family and Medical Leave.  FMLA is meant to provide job protection in the event you miss work due to a "serious illness or injury" for up to 12 weeks.  Depending on your medical condition, you might be eligible. 

I've only been here since February, and the company in total is 60 people. We don't really have an "HR" department. I handle a lot of the basic on-boarding of new employees, people are interviewed and hired by the manager of the particular position and the one person who handles the general "HR" stuff is also male (finance-related business, so all male-dominated). I doubt this will require FMLA. And I DO have personal time, which is mine to take if I need to. I just know that many employers frown upon people being gone at all - at least that's what my experience has been. Or maybe I've just been really unlucky in where I've worked. Being at the bottom of the food chain doesn't afford you many luxuries.



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2009-06-30 10:25 AM
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2009-06-30 10:32 AM
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I had a small case of cancer.  I straight out didn't care about work regardless of what my status would be if I missed days.  I told my employer the entire situation, which was none of their business, but I didn't care.  Tell them you have to take care of medical issues....  I was able to take FML (Family Medical Leave) if I wanted to, but I had enough vaction and sick days so I didn't have to take them.  I told them I would work out things (making up my time etc), but that never happened at the end of the day on their part not needing me to work extra.  Some places you just don't get paid but don't get laid off.  Document days your taken and tell your boss as soon as another apt comes up.  I told the status of my case which was good and we saw a light at the end of the tunnel for me not missing many days.  I schedule apts back to back with doctors, so I wouldn't have to miss so many days.  Regardless, this is your health.... I entered triathlons AFTER I found out I had cancer.  I started living life AFTER I got cancer, and finally, I didn't care about $ or work AFTER I got cancer.
2009-06-30 10:39 AM
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One other thing to keep in mind as a "just in case".  Document every conversation you have with your employer about your medical situation both for your's and their protection.  After you speak with your boss follow up with an email to him.

"Thanks for taking time to speak with me, based on our conversation we agreed on the following arrangements blah blah blah." 

This allows both of you to have something on record come performance review time or if it turns ugly, which hopefully it won't.  I would rather be safe than sorry and have a written record rather than a he said\she said situation.  
2009-06-30 11:51 AM
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I've had employees in this situation and for me the best thing is open communication. Generally speaking if I understand what someone is going through and what they need to do to work through it I'd offer them leeway to take care of it. The medical details aren't necessary but the overall picture like how often you'd be out of the office for appts, or how long you'd expect to be dealing with the issue and if you think you may need to take time off would be important to understand. Of course this is assuming that they are already a trusted/respected employee and they would be able to remain that way throughout dealing with their issue.
2009-06-30 11:55 AM
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Write a short letter to your boss.  A sentence or two about the medical condition using medical terms.  A sentence or two about the future course of treatment and potential imact on your time in the office.  A sentence or two explaining in businesslike and neutral terms how you've fulfilled company obligations in spite of the appointments (avoid a sacrificial tone).  Finally, a sentence that this is personal information and you expect him to respect your privacy on this issue.  The last sentence should address what you'd like him to do if he overhears watercooler conversations between other employees speculating on your condition. 



2009-06-30 12:08 PM
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Just a question about the "medical terms" thing - what I am being treated for is a "complex ovarian cyst". That is pretty obvious as to what the condition is - instead of using some random medical term that no one really knows anything about. Wouldn't that fall into the "gory details" category? Many men don't know the names of half the stuff women are afflicted with, but they know what ovaries are and what a cyst is - I feel like that's too much information right there. Thoughts? Sorry, I know this sounds dumb, but I am not comfortable discussing the state of my ovaries with my 40-something year old male boss...

(PS - yes, I get that saying it on an internet forum is odd, but since I know none of you, do not have a professional relationship with any of you, and will probably never meet any of you in my life, it's a little different)



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2009-06-30 12:26 PM
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I strongly disagree with the suggestion that you should tell your boss specifically what’s wrong with you. In the first place, he’s not entitled to know, and, in the second place, if he’s smart, he won’t want to know. Neither is it necessary to get a letter from a doctor unless your employer specifically requests it, and, again, if they’re smart, they won’t.

You should explain that you are undergoing treatment for a medical condition that may require you to miss work occasionally, but that you will make every effort to schedule appointments before or after work or during lunch hours. If there is the possibility of having to miss extended time, like for surgery or whatever, you should be up front about the possibility, but say that it’s not a sure thing at this point. If anyone asks you specifics, you’re under no obligation to reveal them. I would just say that you’d rather not discuss it. You can tell them that it’s neither contagious or life-threatening, if that will put them more at ease.

If you want to be more specific with HR, you can, but, again, it’s not necessary. Personally, If an employee comes to me and starts to go into detail about their medical condition, I always shut them down immediately. I don’t need to know and I don’t want to know the specific condition or prognosis in order to help them.

You should be sure you understand fully their policies about sick days and short-term disability insurance, which you’d be eligible for if you are out of work for an extended amount of time (usually between 7 and 180 days). Unless you’re missing a ton of work and your employer has reason to think that you’re making it up, there’s no reason to volunteer any confidential medical information. You’re under NO obligation to reveal your medical condition to anyone, but once you volunteer the information to anyone outside of HR, it’s no longer private.
2009-06-30 12:32 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-30 1:26 PM I strongly disagree with the suggestion that you should tell your boss specifically what’s wrong with you. In the first place, he’s not entitled to know, and, in the second place, if he’s smart, he won’t want to know. Neither is it necessary to get a letter from a doctor unless your employer specifically requests it, and, again, if they’re smart, they won’t. You should explain that you are undergoing treatment for a medical condition that may require you to miss work occasionally, but that you will make every effort to schedule appointments before or after work or during lunch hours. If there is the possibility of having to miss extended time, like for surgery or whatever, you should be up front about the possibility, but say that it’s not a sure thing at this point. If anyone asks you specifics, you’re under no obligation to reveal them. I would just say that you’d rather not discuss it. You can tell them that it’s neither contagious or life-threatening, if that will put them more at ease. If you want to be more specific with HR, you can, but, again, it’s not necessary. Personally, If an employee comes to me and starts to go into detail about their medical condition, I always shut them down immediately. I don’t need to know and I don’t want to know the specific condition or prognosis in order to help them. You should be sure you understand fully their policies about sick days and short-term disability insurance, which you’d be eligible for if you are out of work for an extended amount of time (usually between 7 and 180 days). Unless you’re missing a ton of work and your employer has reason to think that you’re making it up, there’s no reason to volunteer any confidential medical information. You’re under NO obligation to reveal your medical condition to anyone, but once you volunteer the information to anyone outside of HR, it’s no longer private.

Yeah, that's kind of why I asked. I know that health stuff is one of those weird HR issues where legally some stuff isn't supposed to be mentioned, and certain people don't need to know. But since I'm a low-level employee, a young female in a male-dominated environment, I am just concerned as to how this may negatively reflect on me if they suspect that I'm hiding something, esp. since they've already taken issue with one appointment, even though I mentioned that it was a "sensitive" issue.

2009-06-30 12:42 PM
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wurkit_gurl - 2009-06-30 12:32 PM

 esp. since they've already taken issue with one appointment, even though I mentioned that it was a "sensitive" issue.



I think that's terrible that they've taken issue with it. It's not like you scheduled an annual dentist checkup or something that could honestly wait.

BUT that is the only reason I said a little communication could go a long way. If they knew you were dealing with something that needed immediate care, maybe they would be a little more understanding. But if they have no idea what you're leaving for or what kind of appointment, they could be filling in the information gaps in their head, which could be a bad thing. 

EDIT: No I don't think you need to disclose details. But a general "I'm dealing with a medial issue that needs immediate care" would probably shut them up.


 



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