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2009-07-01 5:50 PM

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Subject: Trying to eat less meat, where to get protein?
I eat about 3000 calories a day.  I eat the same things most weeks, not every day, but some smattering of them:

Cereal or Oatmeal
String Cheese
Yogurt
Soy Milk
Double Protein Bread
Peanut Butter
Jelly
Fruits (berries, bananas,pears, apples, plums)

How can I easily get more protein?  I track my nutrition and Out of my 3000 calorie diet most days I am close to 20% protein 25% fat and 55% carbs

Would like to reduce the fat and increase protein.

Suggestions for easy proteins? 


2009-07-01 6:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Trying to eat less meat, where to get protein?
Slight hijack...and it doesn't answer your question, but...where are you finding the Double Protein bread?  I used to buy it all the time (Brownberry brand, which I believe is the same brand as Arnolds), but it seems that they aren't making it anymore.  Either that, or the stores around me aren't carrying it anymore.  Where are you finding it at...and what brand is it? 
2009-07-01 6:08 PM
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Arnolds.

Everywhere around here has it

Farm Fresh
Harris Teeter
Kroger

Even Walmart 
2009-07-01 6:24 PM
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Ok...thanks!  I guess the stores in IL have decided to stop carrying it....BUMMER!  I loved that bread!  I must have been the only person buying it in my area...LOL!  I've had to switch over to the Double Fiber (which they do still carry around here).  It's okay, but I liked the texture of the Double Protein bread more than the Double Fiber one.  I've also seen a new one added to their lineup...Double Active, but I haven't tried it yet. 


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2009-07-01 6:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Trying to eat less meat, where to get protein?
Beans are a wonderful source of vegetarian protein.   The grain quinoa has a good amount of protein as well (for a grain).
2009-07-01 8:17 PM
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Does fish count as meat for you?  Extremely healthy, especially if you choose cold water fish high in Omega -3s and are careful about sustainable fishing practices.  If you want entirely vegetarian, most schools of thought say you must combine proteins to get everything you need.   There are a lot of very helpful articles online.


2009-07-01 8:25 PM
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I love fish, but I have not found a good way to cook it that I can pop the leftovers in the fridge and eat them the next day for lunch...
2009-07-02 7:18 AM
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Try doing a simple baked or pan-seared prep of a white-fleshed fish (cod is the classic, but that has been over fished) that flakes nicely.  Eat what you want for dinner, pop the leftovers in the fridge and make fish tacos for lunch the next day.  Whole wheat tortilla, squirt of lime juice, then whatever you like on your taco (lettuce, tomato, salsa guac)  Very delicious.  Or flake the leftovers cold over a salad with avocado.  Leftover salmon is great for salmon cakes which can be rewarmed easily. 
2009-07-02 9:43 AM
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x2 on beans and quinoa
Greek yogurt has an absurd amount of protein (for yogurt)
NUTS
Bars like Clif Builder's Bar (20g protein)
Scoop of protein powder addded to stuff?
Eggs - I always forget how much I LOVE a good veggie omelet
Tofu is excellent when prepared well. Google how to cook with tofu for ideas. I add tofu to stirfry's a lot.
Veggie burgers or other 'fake meats'
Hummus (main ingredient = chickpeas = bean but it's a fun alternative to beans)


 

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2009-07-02 9:54 AM
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In addition to what everyone else said, there's also tempeh, cottage cheese, whole grains, seitan (I like Field Roast), and Quorn products (made out of mushrooms, I think, but it's surprisingly high in protein).
2009-07-02 10:45 AM
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I have a hard getting enough protein also. I really rely on a low carb whey protein. I mix it into every glass of milk of I drink (usually 2 glasses a day). I mix it into the milk I use when I eat cereal. I mix it into pancake mix (a rarity, but....). I also mix a scoop into oatmeal. At 26ish grams of protein per scoop and 120 cals, it works nicely into my day. It also curbs my appetite (I'm cutting right now). I can top off at 75-100 grams a day, which is my goal.

Also, cottage cheese, tuna (don't know if you consider fish "meat") and liquid egg whites are great quick sources.


2009-07-03 2:55 PM
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I'm going to offer a different note. No one ever suffers from a protein deficiency unless they are eating too few calories. If you were to eat all of your calories from brocolli, you would get more than enough protein for muscle building and training. Most people get too much protein, and most of it goes out in urine and kidney strain. Instead of focusing on just one macro nutrient (such as getting more protein, and getting less fat), the focus should instead be on getting lots of fresh unprocess foods, especially veggies and legumes and grains. I'm a vegan for well over a decade. I've managed to get cut and gain muscle on what I get at the farmer's market. Children, who need more protein per calorie than adults are growing like weeds without any protein supplements. It is nice to have a large repertoire of foods that are simple and high in protein. That's good to have. But to focus on that solely is to focus solely on foods that will most likely end up flushed down the toilet anyhow. My suggestion for foods high in protein: spinach. brocoli, and peanut butter.
2009-07-03 3:50 PM
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xrodolfox - 2009-07-03 2:55 PM I'm going to offer a different note. No one ever suffers from a protein deficiency unless they are eating too few calories. If you were to eat all of your calories from brocolli, you would get more than enough protein for muscle building and training. Most people get too much protein, and most of it goes out in urine and kidney strain.


Let me just point out that this is simply your opinion, and some of it is factually incorrect.  Excess protein doesn't cause "kidney strain" in people with normal kidney function.  I won't get into a debate about protein in athletes as that leads nowhere, but there are certainly instances of people with protein deficiency without a deficit of calories.  To state otherwise is simply false. 
2009-07-04 1:54 PM
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I've never actually seen a documented case of protein deficiency for a normal person unless it was due to a lack of calories. I've doi ne a bit of research on this, but I'm sure that I haven't found every possible case... but I've yet to find one. 

As far as I know, which could be wrong, the cases of protein deficiency are for those of people who have eating disorder or people who are otherwise starving to death.  

Normal people won't get kidney strain or more likely, Kidney stones, but generally speaking, the more protein, the more likely you are to have either issue. It was perhaps overstating the problems of over doing protein. 

When I'm lifting, I do my fair share of protein shakes. I'm mostly presenting a point of view that I don't subscribe to 100%, but that I do find rather worth considering. 

However, I do think that it is good judgement to be a bit wary of the dominant held ideas on protein needs. The people who need most protein should be babies, who grow much much faster than any group of adults.  However, the "perfect" food for babies, human breast milk, has much lower percentages of protein than cow milk, which isn't even considered a high protein food in adult workout circles. 

I think we humans are quite adaptable. A little more salt, or protein, or fat, or carbs than we need won't do much harm. However, I think that the focus on only getting protein at the expense of just focusing on getting a balanced diet is faulty. A diet that is veg*n without any added explicit protein sources should be just fine for any athlete, as long as caloric needs are met. 

It is quite easy to get enough calories on just about any diet, and unless you specifically restrict proteins (such as eating foods in which protein has been specifically removed), then getting enough proteins to build muscle and recover from exersion should be quite easy. 

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xrodolfox - 2009-07-04 1:54 PMNormal people won't get kidney strain or more likely, Kidney stones, but generally speaking, the more protein, the more likely you are to have either issue. It was perhaps overstating the problems of over doing protein. 
Maybe I'm confused here, but I'm not sure what your position is. People don't get kidney strain from more protein, but they do?No matter which it is, you'll find no evidence of people with normal kidney function having any "strain" from any reasonable amount of protein intake. People with issues are those with pre-existing renal dysfunction. If you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd be all ears.
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Subject: RE: Trying to eat less meat, where to get protein?
xrodolfox - 2009-07-03 2:55 PM I'm going to offer a different note. No one ever suffers from a protein deficiency unless they are eating too few calories. If you were to eat all of your calories from brocolli, you would get more than enough protein for muscle building and training. Most people get too much protein, and most of it goes out in urine and kidney strain. Instead of focusing on just one macro nutrient (such as getting more protein, and getting less fat), the focus should instead be on getting lots of fresh unprocess foods, especially veggies and legumes and grains. I'm a vegan for well over a decade. I've managed to get cut and gain muscle on what I get at the farmer's market. Children, who need more protein per calorie than adults are growing like weeds without any protein supplements. It is nice to have a large repertoire of foods that are simple and high in protein. That's good to have. But to focus on that solely is to focus solely on foods that will most likely end up flushed down the toilet anyhow. My suggestion for foods high in protein: spinach. brocoli, and peanut butter.



It can be tricky only eating normal ammounts of only a few foods to get essential nutrients. If you are not going to eat meat you need to be aware of what you are getting from your diet. It can be done but there is no way you are going to be healthy without a widely varied vegan diet. Eating a load of broccoli is not going to give your body what it needs.


Table 3: Amounts of Foods Providing Recommended
Amounts of Essential Amino Acids

12-1/3 cups of cooked corn OR 6-1/2 large potatoes OR 2-1/2 cups of tofu OR 15-1/2 cups of cooked brown rice

Any one of the above foods, eaten in the amount specified, would provide the recommended ammounts of all essential amino acids for an adult male. Women would need about 20% less of each food due to lower recommendations. This concept is illustrated below:

FoodTryThrIsoLeuLysMet+CysPhe+TyrVal
Adult RDA,154 lb male 13501400133029402660133023101680
12-1/3 cups corn4432521252167772660182053263616
6-1/2 large potatoes7601768196329402951136539462743
2-1/2 cups tofu7802045248038083298133341122530
15-1/2 cups cooked rice8992573296057662666241862314108

Source: USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 18, 2005.

Notes: Amounts of amino acids are in milligrams.
Try=tryptophan,
Thr=threonine,
Iso=isoleucine,
Leu=leucine,
Lys=lysine,
Met+Cys=methionine+cysteine,
Phe+Tyr=phenylalanine+tyrosine,
Val=valine

We recommend eating a variety of unrefined grains, legumes, seeds, nuts, and vegetables throughout the day, so that if one food is low in a particular essential amino acid, another food will make up this deficit 8,9.

Even if you ate only one food and not the variety of foods typical of a vegan diet, you would probably get enough protein and essential amino acids. Remember, almost all protein sources of non-animal origin contain all of the essential amino acids. You would have to eat a lot of the protein source (if there was only one source of protein in your diet) to meet essential amino acid needs. Table 3 shows the amounts of various foods an adult male would have to eat if he relied on a single food source for his protein needs. Females would need about 20% less of each food due to the lower protein recommendation for women.



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