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 2009-07-13 3:26 PM |
Champion  7347     SRQ, FL |  Subject: Lance's team next year...He has said he'd probably be back next year. Astana has had some financial and leadership issues. So... My predictions based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER  Contrador is given the green light. LA is told to "unfortunately" be the good teammate. LA sees weekness and goes rogue, taking it from Contrador. I mean what has he got to loose. They fire him.. big deal.. So the next year he......has his own team. Think about it. A Livestrong-Nike sponsored team would be a great way to get the word out. Livestrong could write a lot of it off as advertising (which is what they spend most of the $ on anyway). Nike makes a good partner with deep pockets and name recognition. Could they get Bruyneel? Does he have a long term contact? Would they take the rest of the Astna team with them? Would they even be allowed to race next year in the Tour? After 2010 LA could stay on to manage or be a coach. Unles he wants to get a nice even 10 wins Just some random thoughts to discuss on this rest day... |
| 2009-07-13 3:44 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... My response in bold: TriRSquared - 2009-07-13 4:26 PM He has said he'd probably be back next year. Astana has had some financial and leadership issues. So... My predictions based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER Contrador is given the green light. LA is told to "unfortunately" be the good teammate. LA sees weekness and goes rogue, taking it from Contrador. I mean what has he got to loose. They fire him.. big deal.. So the next year he......has his own team. Think about it. A Livestrong-Nike sponsored team would be a great way to get the word out. Livestrong could write a lot of it off as advertising (which is what they spend most of the $ on anyway). Nike makes a good partner with deep pockets and name recognition. I've now heard "a Livestrong/Nike team" from BT, on the Sunday ride, and from my sister in Atlanta. Maybe there's something to it. But I wonder what the cost/benefit is. They're already selling jerseys, helmets, bags, etc etc without a team. Does a team = more $$ income? It does in NASCAR, but does it transfer as well in cycling? Could they get Bruyneel? Does he have a long term contact? Would they take the rest of the Astna team with them? Article on VeloNews said Astana was looking for a new guy to lead after Bruyneel and that they were going to rebuild around Contador and Vino. Bruyneel has 2 more years on this contract though. Contador is also rumored to be going to another team. Questions are Levi (Lance's Friend) and Klodden. The other guys would just follow the money. Would they even be allowed to race next year in the Tour? After 2010 LA could stay on to manage or be a coach. Unles he wants to get a nice even 10 wins Don't know about that, I think Slipstream had a few years watching before they got in didn't they? Rock Racing is still not invited. And the French Officials don't have too much love for Armstrong.Just some random thoughts to discuss on this rest day... Just some random responses... |
| 2009-07-13 3:44 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
Veteran 192 Southern California | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... I would say that Bruyneel leaves and along with him go Levi, Popo, Horner, Brajkovic, Kloden and Lance. I think Lance would love to ride with Hincapie again, but that is doubtful with the success of Columbia/HTC. Would be nice to see another American team out there. Maybe Trek, Nike, or another big sponsor will come along to work with the Livestrong name. I just can't see another race, let alone another season with Lance not being the team leader of the team he is racing on. Astana was created for Kazakh cycling federation with Alexander Vinokurov as its center and he is coming back to cycling after the tour. I don't see the chemisrty getting better on the team and doubt the sponsors will tolerate him not being the center of the team when he comes back. Link Time to be rid of Team Borat anyways |
| 2009-07-13 4:11 PM in reply to: #2282095 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... TREK would definitely bail from Astana if Lance created his own team. They can ride the Kazakh version of a Trek... A donkey with a strawberry in-front of its nose... |
| 2009-07-13 4:36 PM in reply to: #2282184 |
Master 1669  "Home of Superman" | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... GomesBolt - 2009-07-13 6:11 PM TREK would definitely bail from Astana if Lance created his own team. They can ride the Kazakh version of a Trek... A donkey with a strawberry in-front of its nose... LMAO |
| 2009-07-13 6:44 PM in reply to: #2282243 |
Extreme Veteran 930 Fort Worth, TX | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... medic1962 - 2009-07-13 4:36 PM GomesBolt - 2009-07-13 6:11 PM TREK would definitely bail from Astana if Lance created his own team. They can ride the Kazakh version of a Trek... A donkey with a strawberry in-front of its nose... LMAO X2 - really funny |
| 2009-07-13 7:00 PM in reply to: #2282093 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... GomesBolt - 2009-07-13 4:44 PM I think Slipstream had a few years watching before they got in didn't they? Rock Racing is still not invited. bwiens - 2009-07-13 4:44 PM I would say that Bruyneel leaves and along with him go Levi, Popo, Horner, Brajkovic, Kloden and Lance........ Astana was created for Kazakh cycling federation with Alexander Vinokurov as its center and he is coming back to cycling after the tour. So then..... 1) After Astana was created, how long did it take for them to be invited to the Tour? (I know they didn't participate last year; I mean before that.) 2) If a new Livestrong/Nike/Trek team is formed, I'm assuming it would be an American team. Would the TdF consent to having THREE American teams? (Since Columbia and Garmin are already there.) |
| 2009-07-13 8:35 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. |
| 2009-07-13 8:57 PM in reply to: #2282722 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-13 9:35 PM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. Not sure if this is the exact reason but I would not imagine there are a lot of american companies that want to sign up to a sport where it seems that everyone is doping, and don't want their companies linked to that. |
| 2009-07-13 9:01 PM in reply to: #2282483 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... D001 - 2009-07-14 10:00 AM GomesBolt - 2009-07-13 4:44 PM I think Slipstream had a few years watching before they got in didn't they? Rock Racing is still not invited. bwiens - 2009-07-13 4:44 PM I would say that Bruyneel leaves and along with him go Levi, Popo, Horner, Brajkovic, Kloden and Lance........ Astana was created for Kazakh cycling federation with Alexander Vinokurov as its center and he is coming back to cycling after the tour. So then..... 1) After Astana was created, how long did it take for them to be invited to the Tour? (I know they didn't participate last year; I mean before that.) 2) If a new Livestrong/Nike/Trek team is formed, I'm assuming it would be an American team. Would the TdF consent to having THREE American teams? (Since Columbia and Garmin are already there.) 1 - Astana WASNT a brand new team.... it WAS the Liberty-Segeuros (sp) which imploded with Operation Puerto. Because it affected Vino he worked hard to get sponsors together to take over the Pro Licesne already held by that team so they immeadiatley started with Pro status.. therefore were entitled to race the Tour which they did in 2007.... However during that Tour, after all of the reassurances, campaigning and promises made to be included in that tour... Vino tested positive and the organisers had been burnt twice by the same team... as a result they were NOT invited to the 2008 tour
2 - The way to get into the tour (or at least massive consideration) is to be a Pro Tour team (unless you are a French team) and then lobby the organisers to include you. Garmin was invited the same year they achieved pro tour status...Columbia USED to be T-Mobile and so despite a sponsor change and line up changes are essentially a team that has been continually racing the TDF for many years If there was to be a Bruyneel/Armstrong team... or just an Armstrong team (something that has been speculated EVERYWHERE since he announced his return to the sport) it will have to have Pro Tour status and race internationally in order to fulfil Lances Livestrong goals. This can be done by either taking over a license if any team cannot find sponsors at the end of the season or starting as a new team and meeting all the requirements of theUCI Pro Tour status (having the cash to meet the required fees etc is the biggie!) Lances profile and Bruyneels history more than anything will help with getting any team the invites to races around the world... even if they dont take Pro Tour status.... but there are less guarantees if they chose not to! |
| 2009-07-13 9:02 PM in reply to: #2282722 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-14 11:35 AM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. At the end of the day its a job..... You go where you get to do the job you enjoy...with people you like... and earn the best salary... all the similar decisions to what each of us make when deciding what job to take! |
| 2009-07-13 9:06 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
Extreme Veteran 767 Alexandria, VA | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... From Team Astana Wiki: " The new Astana management initially tried to buy the ProTour licence of the former Liberty Seguros-Würth team, held by Manolo Saiz. However, Saiz was reluctant to sell, so Astana applied for a licence in their own right. Initially, the new team was based in Switzerland under the holding company of Zeus Sarl and managed by former Tour de Suisse organiser Marc Biver. Vinokourov was the team's debut leader. The UCI ProTour license commission first informed Astana that they would not be granted a ProTour License for the 2007 season. Following UCI's decision not to grant a ProTour license, the organizers of the three Grand Tours informed Astana Team that they would be included, regardless of ProTour license status. On December 20, 2006 the UCI License Commission relented and awarded Astana Team a 4-year ProTour license." |
| 2009-07-13 9:09 PM in reply to: #2282824 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... strates - 2009-07-14 12:06 PM From Team Astana Wiki: " The new Astana management initially tried to buy the ProTour licence of the former Liberty Seguros-Würth team, held by Manolo Saiz. However, Saiz was reluctant to sell, so Astana applied for a licence in their own right. Initially, the new team was based in Switzerland under the holding company of Zeus Sarl and managed by former Tour de Suisse organiser Marc Biver. Vinokourov was the team's debut leader. The UCI ProTour license commission first informed Astana that they would not be granted a ProTour License for the 2007 season. Following UCI's decision not to grant a ProTour license, the organizers of the three Grand Tours informed Astana Team that they would be included, regardless of ProTour license status. On December 20, 2006 the UCI License Commission relented and awarded Astana Team a 4-year ProTour license." Whoops thanks for that.... I thought they HAD taken over the Liberty Seguros license because it was essentially the same team with a different name whivch is what USUALLY happens when a sponsor pulls out...
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| 2009-07-13 9:21 PM in reply to: #2282812 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... But Lance IS the Tour de France to Americans. If I mention the TdF people will say "how's he doing?" Like he's the only one in the Race. The American media coverage in 90% Lance. It just seems very odd to me that Astana is a consortium of Kazahk companies and it seems has had some financial trouble too. Yet they have the rider who brings all the interest in the USA to the sport. I also don't understand why they keep drug testing LA everyday. kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:02 PM losta - 2009-07-14 11:35 AM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. At the end of the day its a job..... You go where you get to do the job you enjoy...with people you like... and earn the best salary... all the similar decisions to what each of us make when deciding what job to take! |
| 2009-07-13 9:32 PM in reply to: #2282882 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-13 10:21 PM But Lance IS the Tour de France to Americans. If I mention the TdF people will say "how's he doing?" Like he's the only one in the Race. The American media coverage in 90% Lance. It just seems very odd to me that Astana is a consortium of Kazahk companies and it seems has had some financial trouble too. Yet they have the rider who brings all the interest in the USA to the sport. I also don't understand why they keep drug testing LA everyday. Here's my take on it: Lance used to race for the USPS (U.S. Postal Service), which was an American team. That team became "Discovery." (Still a US team, sponsored by the Discovery Channel.) Then Lance retired, and "Discovery" dropped its sponsorship. Brunyeel, the Director of Discovery, had to find a new job. One was available at Astana. So he went there. In the process, he took along several "Discovery" riders, including Contador. When Lance "unretired," he wanted to work with Brunyeel again. So he had to go to Astana. As for the drug testing, well, how many people are capable of winning the TdF year after year, after year? So people are suspicious. And therefore he gets tested a lot. |
| 2009-07-13 9:37 PM in reply to: #2282882 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-14 12:21 PM But Lance IS the Tour de France to Americans. If I mention the TdF people will say "how's he doing?" Like he's the only one in the Race. The American media coverage in 90% Lance. It just seems very odd to me that Astana is a consortium of Kazahk companies and it seems has had some financial trouble too. Yet they have the rider who brings all the interest in the USA to the sport. I also don't understand why they keep drug testing LA everyday. kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:02 PM losta - 2009-07-14 11:35 AM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. At the end of the day its a job..... You go where you get to do the job you enjoy...with people you like... and earn the best salary... all the similar decisions to what each of us make when deciding what job to take! Its actuall the same here... I either get asked: "How is Lance doing? How is Cadel doing?" OR "How is Lance doing? How is 'the Aussie' doing?"
As an American or International company you would think having your company name (for a team naming sponsorship) and Lance Armstrong mentioned in the news reports so much would be amazing advertising and a really high return on investment.. maybe it will happen in the future! |
| 2009-07-13 10:03 PM in reply to: #2282812 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:02 PM losta - 2009-07-14 11:35 AM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. At the end of the day its a job..... You go where you get to do the job you enjoy...with people you like... and earn the best salary... all the similar decisions to what each of us make when deciding what job to take! Or, you go with the Director who want to be with. And in this case, Brunyeel ended up at Astana. Which meant that Levi, Alberto and eventually Lance, went there, too. As for Lance, salary isn't an issue this year: "Armstrong, who is riding for Astana without salary this year, has previously hinted he may launch his own team next season. When Astana was hit by financial trouble this year and faced the prospect of being thrown out of the ProTour, Armstrong said he could take over the team with the backing of U.S. sponsors." http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/200907130023 |
| 2009-07-13 10:09 PM in reply to: #2282929 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... To Americans all the TdF teams are a mystery except Garmin, Cervelo and Columbia. Yes, super big advertising opportunity on Lance's chest. Luckily I have my rebranded for US, UK Cycle Sport TdF guide to tell me who's who. Sometime in the next few years I would like to go catch a few stages of the TdF, I always wanted to do a Provence cycling trip and I'd like to schedule it for July so I can catch a few stages in the area, it looks like fun. Though I won't get in their faces or wear silly costumes or chase them, some of those fans are scary. kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:37 PM As an American or International company you would think having your company name (for a team naming sponsorship) and Lance Armstrong mentioned in the news reports so much would be amazing advertising and a really high return on investment.. maybe it will happen in the future! |
| 2009-07-13 10:22 PM in reply to: #2282997 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... D001 - 2009-07-14 1:03 PM kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:02 PM Or, you go with the Director who want to be with. And in this case, Brunyeel ended up at Astana. Which meant that Levi, Alberto and eventually Lance, went there, too. As for Lance, salary isn't an issue this year: "Armstrong, who is riding for Astana without salary this year, has previously hinted he may launch his own team next season. When Astana was hit by financial trouble this year and faced the prospect of being thrown out of the ProTour, Armstrong said he could take over the team with the backing of U.S. sponsors." http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/200907130023 losta - 2009-07-14 11:35 AM One of the things I don't understand...Why do Lance, Levi and Alberto ride for a Kazahk team? It seem there should be some other American interest or interests or conglomerate of such that could sponsor such a team. At the end of the day its a job..... You go where you get to do the job you enjoy...with people you like... and earn the best salary... all the similar decisions to what each of us make when deciding what job to take! Lance doesnt need a salary... he gets enough from his endorsements/investments etc He is where he is because of Bruyneel... The rest of them are there because its the job that appeals most for whatever reason.... OR the best offer etc
I will say this though.... Astana (Lanc/Bruyneel in particular) know how to use nad play the press REALLY well to make people think what they want to think.... its clever tactics because all the other sport directors read it and as a result it can affect their tactics or thinking.... I am looking forwad to seeing how it all playsout! |
| 2009-07-13 10:23 PM in reply to: #2283008 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-14 1:09 PM To Americans all the TdF teams are a mystery except Garmin, Cervelo and Columbia. Yes, super big advertising opportunity on Lance's chest. Luckily I have my rebranded for US, UK Cycle Sport TdF guide to tell me who's who. Sometime in the next few years I would like to go catch a few stages of the TdF, I always wanted to do a Provence cycling trip and I'd like to schedule it for July so I can catch a few stages in the area, it looks like fun. Though I won't get in their faces or wear silly costumes or chase them, some of those fans are scary. kaqphin - 2009-07-13 10:37 PM As an American or International company you would think having your company name (for a team naming sponsorship) and Lance Armstrong mentioned in the news reports so much would be amazing advertising and a really high return on investment.. maybe it will happen in the future! Provence sounds lovely! Ive decided if I go watch cycling one year I will be doing the SpringClassics... probably Paris Roubaix, Tour of Flanders etc! Theres a few biggies all within a couple of weeks! |
| 2009-07-13 10:31 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... Yes, but it's more to do a cycling trip and catch a bit of TdF than visa versa. So it would be to catch a stage or two. Before, after or during our tour. |
| 2009-07-13 10:37 PM in reply to: #2283063 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... losta - 2009-07-14 1:31 PM Yes, but it's more to do a cycling trip and catch a bit of TdF than visa versa. So it would be to catch a stage or two. Before, after or during our tour. Sounds like a really fun trip! |
| 2009-07-13 10:39 PM in reply to: #2283032 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... kaqphin - 2009-07-13 11:22 PM Lance doesnt need a salary... he gets enough from his endorsements/investments etc He is where he is because of Bruyneel... The rest of them are there because its the job that appeals most for whatever reason.... OR the best offer etc
I will say this though.... Astana (Lanc/Bruyneel in particular) know how to use nad play the press REALLY well to make people think what they want to think.... its clever tactics because all the other sport directors read it and as a result it can affect their tactics or thinking.... I am looking forwad to seeing how it all playsout! Actually, Lance was making a lot of money BEFORE Bruyneel..... I can't remember what the figure was, but he mentions it in his 1st book. |
| 2009-07-13 10:43 PM in reply to: #2283082 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... D001 - 2009-07-14 1:39 PM kaqphin - 2009-07-13 11:22 PM Lance doesnt need a salary... he gets enough from his endorsements/investments etc Actually, Lance was making a lot of money BEFORE Bruyneel..... I can't remember what the figure was, but he mentions it in his 1st book.
He is where he is because of Bruyneel... The rest of them are there because its the job that appeals most for whatever reason.... OR the best offer etc
I will say this though.... Astana (Lanc/Bruyneel in particular) know how to use nad play the press REALLY well to make people think what they want to think.... its clever tactics because all the other sport directors read it and as a result it can affect their tactics or thinking.... I am looking forwad to seeing how it all playsout! Whoops I actually meant he is on Astana because of Bruyneel! Not financially!! |
| 2009-07-13 10:44 PM in reply to: #2282024 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Lance's team next year... Dee, I made a new photo for you in the Challenge Saxobank Forum. Go look! |
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