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2009-07-29 3:47 PM

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Subject: Riding in the rain
Since we had the issue yesterday, I thought I'd start a thread.

This incident made me realize that I need to order my ROAD ID today. I have been slack about it but as we were fumbling to get a hold of Karen's husband, the number could have been right on her. (and she may have had one, nobody thought to look)

While we were waiting for the EMS, I heard someone say they were only using their rear brakes down the hill and they weren't stopping. IMO, using both brakes is an essential skill in cycling. Like your car, about 60% of your stopping power comes from the front brake while the rear brake is for control. I was able to stop with control by using both sets of brakes.

As was stated in the other thread, being prepared to race in any condition is also an important skill. Once you're comfortable with your bike handling then you can tackle any race in almost any condition.

One last point: if you've never ridden when it's wet or raining, I can not overstate how slippery road paint really is. When that stuff gets wet, it might as well be ice.

Any other tips/insight is welcome!


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2009-07-29 3:51 PM
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Your braking distances increase CONSIDERABLY in the rain, as it takes a bit for the water to scrub off your rims. Not sure if it is more/less of an issue with carbon rims.

Cornering and braking require MUCH more attention as compared to dry conditions.
2009-07-29 5:22 PM
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One other tip: drop your tires about 5psi...that will increase the size of the contact patch and provide you a little more traction.

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2009-07-29 7:33 PM
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I rode in the rain some yesterday but heard some heavy lightning so I went back (was only 2 miles out).  FML, I got home and checked the weather and it was above and below me and cleared after 20minutes.

From motorcycle riding I learned about rain riding a lot.  The front brake is for sure your friend.  I would say be careful about too much brake but the road bike brakes seem to suck badly so I doubt front tire skid is a worry.

Yesterday was my 1st time on a road bike in the rain and I did take a downhill fairly quickly and a turn fairly fast (much faster than I've seen bikers go in the dry).  But I took the turn like I do on my motorcycle in the rain and it held well.  Which I got off the seat (I was turning left) and put my knee out like on a motorcycle and shifted my butt to the left of the seat and kept the bicycle as upright as possible (more contact patch).  It handled great with no skid.
2009-07-29 8:35 PM
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ATLsbr - 2009-07-29 8:33 PM Yesterday was my 1st time on a road bike in the rain and I did take a downhill fairly quickly and a turn fairly fast (much faster than I've seen bikers go in the dry).  But I took the turn like I do on my motorcycle in the rain and it held well.  Which I got off the seat (I was turning left) and put my knee out like on a motorcycle and shifted my butt to the left of the seat and kept the bicycle as upright as possible (more contact patch).  It handled great with no skid.


Lucky you..........this time............IMHO taking a turn faster in the rain than you see anyone else take it when dry does not make for smart biking.  Sounds like you are fairly new to road biking........as Neal said in the the Karen thread there are those that have crashed and those that will crash.  Riding safely and not taking risks in the rain is the smart way to stay out of both of those categories.

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2009-07-29 9:21 PM
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Lisa B - 2009-07-29 9:35 PM
ATLsbr - 2009-07-29 8:33 PM Yesterday was my 1st time on a road bike in the rain and I did take a downhill fairly quickly and a turn fairly fast (much faster than I've seen bikers go in the dry).  ...


Lucky you..........this time............IMHO taking a turn faster in the rain than you see anyone else take it when dry does not make for smart biking.  Sounds like you are fairly new to road biking........as Neal said in the the Karen thread there are those that have crashed and those that will crash.  Riding safely and not taking risks in the rain is the smart way to stay out of both of those categories.

Actually it was Brett that said that.  I said I was too sweet to ride in the rain and might melt.    I do agree with you though that it is not too smart to take a curve faster when it is wet than when it is dry. 



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2009-07-29 9:25 PM
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run4yrlif - 2009-07-29 6:22 PM One other tip: drop your tires about 5psi...that will increase the size of the contact patch and provide you a little more traction.

That is a good tip Jim.  While listening to the TdF, I heard the guys discussing tire pressure and wet pavement.  I thought it was very interesting that they say the tour guys drop their air pressure to about 80 psi for mountain stages in the rain.  I thought that was kinda of low, but since I do not plan on racing down the mountains in the rain I do not guess I will try it out. 

2009-07-29 10:17 PM
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Lisa B - 2009-07-29 9:35 PM

those that have crashed and those that will crash.  Riding safely and not taking risks in the rain is the smart way to stay out of both of those categories.


I hate that saying.  I hear that in the motorcycle world too, and it's just too cliche' (and talk about scaring away new riders)

I've raced BMX for years and mountain biked for years (so I can handle a bike).  But bikes (motor and non-motor) have way more traction than people give them credit for, even in the rain.  I think the problem is people just don't know how to handle a bike or have never pushed one to it's full potential.

Even in my triathlons where people can just blow by me on the uphills and flats, I have yet to be passed on a downhill and often get held up on a downhill I could max out.  I'm there on the 2nd chain ring where I could be coasting in my 3rd because I'm maxed out.  I guess some just have a swimming or running backround while mine is biking.

And another thing I did with motorcycles/cars/bicycles/etc is I practiced controlled emergency situations.  On my motorcycle I would jam my brakes as hard as I could so I would know how much pressure to put down in a panic situation.  It saved me from nailing a deer.  When I was a teenager I would take my S10 to a big parking lot and just go nuts and trying to get it to skid or push.  I was able to figure my truck out.  When I was about to get a new rear for my motorcycle I would jam the rear brakes harder and harder until I was comfortable with the rear braking loose.  Now I even use that technique in turns when I come in too hot.

So if you are about to replace your road bike tire, take the clilpless off and practice skidding the rear tire so you know how it feels.

But if you don't want to do that then that is fine too.  That's just how I learn to do stuff and push whatever to the limits.  If I crash then no big deal.  I've crashed hard before and I'm sure I'll do it again.
2009-07-29 10:49 PM
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ATLsbr - 2009-07-29 11:17 PM
Lisa B - 2009-07-29 9:35 PM

those that have crashed and those that will crash.  Riding safely and not taking risks in the rain is the smart way to stay out of both of those categories.


I hate that saying. ...


... But if you don't want to do that then that is fine too.  That's just how I learn to do stuff and push whatever to the limits.  If I crash then no big deal.  I've crashed hard before and I'm sure I'll do it again.

I have not seen you on here a lot so maybe you do not know the situation here.  This thread actually got started because karen26.2 wrecked yesterday and was unconcious for some period of time and was taken to the hospital.  Karen and LisaB are very good friends so there is some emotional attachment to this thread, not just from Lisa, but from a lot of us as Karen has lots of good friends here.

This thread got started because on the Karen26.2 thread, Katie said something about not riding in the rain.  Mindy rightly thought it might be a good idea to start a thread about riding safely in the rain.  I think if you go back and read your two post objectively, you may be able to see that they seem like your are trying to impress the group with your motorcycle handling ablities.  I, as do several people one here also ride motorcycles in addition to bicycles so I understand that having ridden motorcycles helps with riding a bicycle in a curve.  I do not want to offend you, but the purpose of the thread was to mention helpful hints to people that are not comfortable riding in the rain so that they may become more comfortable doing so.  You really sound like you want to impress people here instead of offering helpful hints as Jim did.  If you put yourself in Lisa's place, I think you may see why she would take offense at your comment.  I myself find it odd that you would not like Brett's saying about wrecking since you seemed to want to share the fact that you like to push the limits as a lot of us do.  Brett's saying is particularly on target for people that like to push the limits as everyone that really pushes their limit will wreck from time to time.



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2009-07-30 5:41 AM
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I too have some background on a motorcycle, I've ridden one in every weather condition you could imagine up to and including riding within spitting distance of a tornado safely.  I too often can out descend pretty much everyone around me.  I.....  stayed inside Tuesday rather than ride in the rain.

It isn't lack of handling skill that kept me in.  I have complete confidence that I know my limits with my bike and what I can handle, and I riding in the rain I can do quite well.  It's that there was no need to put myself in that danger at this time.


Let me explain further.


It's not just my handling that has to be taken into account.  It's the others on the road.  My suggestion for getting more comfortable riding in the rain includes riding rainy conditions on very lightly traveled roads. The roads on the Roswell Ride are far from "lightly traveled."  Too easy for a car to mistake their handling skill in wet conditions, or one of the other cyclists could easily misjudge what they're doing.  Go out further into the country on weekends and ride rain or shine to get comfortable with it.  Then you can decide on a weekday ride if your training goals at that moment make riding in rainy conditions worth the risk.  For me with my big race over and nothing I'm taking seriously on the horizon, it wasn't. 
2009-07-30 7:21 AM
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It's not just my handling that has to be taken into account.  It's the others on the road.  My suggestion for getting more comfortable riding in the rain includes riding rainy conditions on very lightly traveled roads. The roads on the Roswell Ride are far from "lightly traveled."  Too easy for a car to mistake their handling skill in wet conditions, or one of the other cyclists could easily misjudge what they're doing.  Go out further into the country on weekends and ride rain or shine to get comfortable with it.  Then you can decide on a weekday ride if your training goals at that moment make riding in rainy conditions worth the risk.  For me with my big race over and nothing I'm taking seriously on the horizon, it wasn't. 

This is my exact feelings on riding in the rain. I am person that has and will run run in all kinds of conditions--rain, snow, lightening, tornado etc but I definitely am a fair weather rider because of the added car danger. If I thought it was paramount that I get some rain riding or I couldn't move a long ride I would take it to the comet or maybe even columns drive where traffic is slower and there is a bike lane.  I just don't see it necessary to ride along side cars in conditions that are precarious for both drivers and riders.

Oh, and like Neal, I too am made of sugar and might melt.



2009-07-30 8:54 AM
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My bike is made of cardboard so I avoid the rain as well but sometimes you just get stuck in it I think ATLbsr was just bringing some ideas from his experiences as a BMX/Mtn rider. He does bring up interesting points about handling and what not. Anyone with BMX/Mtn experience is going to have far better bike handling than a typical road rider/triathlete. I'm an expert mountain bike crasher, it does help with the future handling!

Anyway, I think he's giving suggestions for working on handling. I appreciate hearing others' input and his perspective is one you probably won't find from many triathletes. Another thing I'd add is that I'd especially avoid the rain on a tri bike. They handle quite differently and are more difficult to turn and a bit less responsive than a road bike. I have a steel cyclocross bike I could take out in the rain if I wanted to..but, again, I don't like getting wet! And again, sometimes you just get stuck in the rain no matter what you do.
2009-07-30 9:03 AM
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Riding in the rain is just like riding when it is not raining in that you have to use common sense. That hill where Karen wrecked is a dangerous hill when it is dry (I don't even like riding my TT bike down it because I feel like I am going to go over the handle bars), you have to allow more braking distance when it is wet vs dry (this is not a criticizm of Karen since I wasn't there and don't know what happened. I am just using the hill where the accident happened for illustrative purposes since that is what got this thread started).

The main problem on wet or dry pavement is that triathletes as a general rule are not good bike handlers. We don't ride in a tight group or paceline most of the time, our race courses are not as technical and by rule you are supposed to have 3 bike lengths between you and the rider in front of you (so theoretically you should be able to avoid someone ahead of you who crashes).

As Mindy stated above get a Road ID. I have been procrastinating about getting one also, but I ordered mine today as a result of Karen's crash.

Bottom line is use your head and if something seems unsafe then it probably is.

2009-07-30 10:34 AM
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What Brett said ^^^above^^^ ... but a little to the point of ATLsbr: pushing your limits on the bike is not a bad thing. It is how you become a better rider.

My bike handling skills improved greatly when I started to ride with roadies. I learned how to shift down prior to entering, glide through with my inside pedal up + weight bearing down on the outside pedal and then accelerate out of a corner. I learned how to maintain my line while riding in close proximity to another rider ... and a variety of other things.

How?  I stepped out of my comfort zone of just putting head down and hammering on the bike to how to better handle it.

The end result is that I have become a better triathlete.  I cannot tell you how many people I passed at St. Anthony's (where there must be more than a dozen 90* turns) just by cornering correctly.

The point I think ATLsbr was making is that if you step out of the comfort zone a little in an effort to acquire bike handling skills, you will get better bike handling skills.  If you do not then you wont.

2009-07-30 10:37 AM
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Some great tips on here - I had a similar wrist band to the Road ID, but of course it was in a bag on my other bike.  So I am going to order the Road ID because I think I would wear it vs. keeping the other one that I hate to wear in a bag.

On the brakes, I'm not sure what I did at the time, but I think I may have locked up the back break, so being carful NOT to do that is a great tip.

Also, check that the ICE phone # in your cell phone is correct.  I had ICE listed twice, one was correct, one was wrong.  I didn't realize this was the case since I have the correct ICE in my freq. used list and dial from there.  But for someone trying to locate my "in case of emergency" #, mine failed!
2009-07-30 11:03 AM
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karen26.2 - 2009-07-30 11:37 AM Some great tips on here - I had a similar wrist band to the Road ID, but of course it was in a bag on my other bike.  So I am going to order the Road ID because I think I would wear it vs. keeping the other one that I hate to wear in a bag.

...  But for someone trying to locate my "in case of emergency" #, mine failed!

Karen- good info for rain or shine.  Mindy, I have learned something from your thread.  I heard people talking about Karen's Ice number being incorrect, but I had no idea what they meant.  I also did not figure it out here until Karen wrote it out.  I guess I am a bit slow.

The road IDs are really good.  Britni got me one for Christmas.  If you get the cheaper version as I did, you need to make sure you have someone that is easy to reach on it and that they have your insurance information with them.  I used to use my brother as an emergency contact until I got to thinking that it is often difficult to get in touch with him.  One other note on the road IDs.  A friend noticed mine one day and said that the people she rides with put them on their bikes.  My thought would be that if you are in a really bad accident is that people will be so concerned with you that they may not look at the bike and it will probably not be laying right next to you.

Since the thread is really about riding in the rain.  I will mention again as several of you have is that you should basically ride slower in the rain whether you are on a bike, motorcycle, car, horse, whatever...  That is just common sense.



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