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2009-08-11 7:26 AM

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Subject: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/warning-over-triathlon-death-rate-1690626.html

This was written in May 09 and may have already been posted before but I thought some of you might find it interesting.


2009-08-11 8:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
studies like this come out every now and then.  1.5 per 100,000 is aprox 0.0015%.

Yes it's twice as high as competing in a marathon, but far better than living a sedetary lifestyle and having a much higher probability of dying of any number of weight related issues.
2009-08-11 8:16 AM
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Running courses are usually closed.
2009-08-11 8:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Did they compare that to the the death rate of cyclists? 
2009-08-11 8:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
snewton_89 - 2009-08-11 9:16 AM Running courses are usually closed.


From a year old NYT times article about 3 deaths in one week last summer.....

Like all of the triathlon deaths recorded by USA Triathlon at its sanctioned events in the last two years, they happened during the swim portion of the event

2009-08-11 8:49 AM
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Want to have some fun with statistics? 

1)  Triathletes are no more likely to die than marathoners or couch potatoes.  They are no less likely to die either.   Probability of death == 1.0. 

2"Now a study has revealed that the risk of dying in a triathlon, though low, is nearly double the risk of dying in a marathon." (from the article, emphasis mine):  Option 1:  IM vs. Marathon.  If an average competitor completes a marathon in 4.5 hours while the average ironman competitor takes 13.0 hours, the risk is <2X while the time is 2.89X.  Marginally better than the marathon IMO.  Option 2:  Any triathlon vs. Marathon.  The article doesn't specify ironman-distance races only, so we'd need some distribution of sprint/OLY/HIM/IM as well as average times for each.  If we assume 25% per distance and average finishing times of 1:30, 2:50, 5:45, 13:00 then the average amount of time spent in a triathlon is about 5:45 which is 1.28X (so a 2X is relatively worse than the 1.28X time differential). 

3"In the US, 13 of the 14 deaths occurred during the first portion of the swim phase"  & "USA Triathlon has recorded 23 deaths in the event since 2004 of which 18 have occurred during the swim." (from the article).  OK...so the odds of dying during the RUN portion of a triathlon are miniscule compared to dying during a marathon. 

4"Triathlons were events that people 'just signed up to,' " (from the article)  So how would the results be different is the comparison were to people who ran ANY event no matter how long?  People don't run a marathon on a whim (usually), nor do they do a HIM/IM without training (usually).  People do sign up for sprint-tri's without much preparation (I know, I did).  How about 5K's?  Probably worth a closer look. 

I guess you could make any argument you want and slice the data in a way that supports it. 



2009-08-11 9:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Do triathletes die twice? Everyone dies.
2009-08-11 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
All those stats pale by comparison to the mortality of sedentary lifestyle, obesity, and heart disease. Or driving for that matter.
2009-08-11 9:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Don't know the exact odds, but I would guarantee that you have a better chance of dying on the car ride to the marathon or tri than you do participating in the event.
2009-08-11 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
I'd rather die young doing something I love versus dying when I'm 90 and in a nursing home with a diaper on my butt.

2009-08-11 9:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Irrational fear, at least to me.

Here's why: Sure, you can die in a tri, or walking across the street, or by crime, or slipping and falling in the tub, or wherever. But the risk is blown WAAAY out of proportion. Consider that there are 40,000 deaths by auto every year in the US. A couple different sources suggest that if you drive an 'average' amount for 50 years, chances are 1:100 that you'll die in a car wreck. Much more likely than dying during a tri. But it doesn't get the same run because, IMHO, the media needs something to talk about, and the juxtaposition of a (relatively) healthy athlete cashing in is too juicy to leave alone. Car accidents are a dime-a-dozen and get a 2-second blurb on the all-news radio station, that's it.  

I wouldn't worry about tri, or marathoning, go enjoy them both.  

And as an aside...check http://www.reason.com/news/show/36765.html for some fancy perspective on the odds of dying doing certain activities. Interesting stuff.


2009-08-11 9:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
losta - 2009-08-11 10:10 AM Do triathletes die twice? Everyone dies.


No, three times!Cool
2009-08-11 9:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
That article was pretty lame. *rolls eyes* Anything for a headline!


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2009-08-11 9:36 AM
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And they have also proven that a lifetime of swallowing your own saliva will result in certain death. The horrors never end..........
2009-08-11 9:43 AM
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KSH - 2009-08-11 9:24 AM I'd rather die young doing something I love versus dying when I'm 90 and in a nursing home with a diaper on my butt.


Not me, I'm going with "dying when I'm 90 and in a nursing home with a diaper on my butt" after 89 years of doing something I love. That dying young stuff is for the birds. Plus it's already too late for me to die young.
2009-08-11 9:48 AM
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2009-08-11 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
The raw statistics don't tell the whole story. Most of the people who die in either marathons or triathlons do so because of some underlying health problem. Often these problems are undiagnosed and these people are like a time bomb waiting to explode. The exception would be those few who die from a bike crash.

News articles like this are meant to do nothing more than sensationalize the relatively few deaths in either sport. These very same people may have died from the same cause whether or not they were participating.
2009-08-11 12:40 PM
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I don't believe it.  Marathon runners are just as likely to die as triathletes

I love headlines
2009-08-11 12:41 PM
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ChrisM - 2009-08-11 12:40 PM

I don't believe it.  Marathon runners are just as likely to die as triathletes

I love headlines

heh. Thanks for posting for me.
2009-08-11 12:44 PM
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Article is rubbish however it's still better to burn out then just fade away.  Might as well go out while trying to kick everybody's .
2009-08-11 1:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Statistics are over rated.  Most can be skewed to fit anyone's desired outcome.


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PennState - 2009-08-11 10:48 AM
DrPete - 2009-08-11 10:14 AMAll those stats pale by comparison to the mortality of sedentary lifestyle, obesity, and heart disease. Or driving for that matter.
Shhhh, Pete you are going to spoil the fun for the sedentary, unhealthy crowd. They love these 'studies', as it justifies their sedentary lifestyle...


Hey, I'm a vascular surgeon now. The sedentary fat-chompers, diabetics, and smokers are going to put my kid through college. I'm not about to be TOO vocal about it...

It's kind of a sad statement that if people would just live a little healthier to begin with I'd be either out of business or scrounging for things to do...

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2009-08-11 2:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
This reminds me of the current Time magazine cover which is about how exercise is bad for weightloss.

Like this article there are valid points but the article just becomes something to sensationalize the point like people have commented here.

Short version of the Time article.. people have no will power so after they go to the gym and burn off 500 calories they go to starbucks and consume 1000 calories in a latte and muffin that they rationalize they can have since they just worked out. I get the point that due to this common a occurrence that exercise doesn't always equal weight loss but they discounted the benefits of exercise way to much with just a little blurb at the end about yeah its good for your heart..
2009-08-11 2:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
I don't remember where I read it, or who said it; but,...

"They say your life flashes before your eyes when you die.  Make sure it's worth watching."

I've never been healthier or happier than since I started running and tri training.  I've no intention of stopping now.
2009-08-11 8:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathletes twice as likely to die as marathon runners!
Anybody seen a comparison between the odds of dying doing a triathlon versus the odds of dying on the couch eating cheetos in your underwear while watching highlights of the world bowling championships from 1976 on ESPN Classic

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