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2011-08-10 10:41 PM


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I am suppose to compete in a tri a tri on saturday and started to learn how to swim a bit to late. The course is pretty shallow and says only a small portion is deeper than standing depth. My problem is i have just been able to swim 50 yards consecutively as of a few days ago i might be able to get 75 tomorrow i can do this multiple times. the swim distance is 400 meters. Should i still do it? The try is the summer sizzler in grand island ny any one ever do it can give some advice on the swim? thanks

Also i never realized swimming was so hard i am a solid runner just finished up a trail HM this weekend felt great after and can ride very strong for 60+ miles but toss me in the water :/



2011-08-10 10:49 PM
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Unlikely.  But that doesn't mean you should do the swim.

Questions:

  1. Have you ever swam in open water, and can you before the race?
  2. Can you dog paddle, float on your back, or do a different stroke before continuing on.
  3. Do you have any history of cardiac events (ok this one is a joke based on another thread... But the panic can be overwhelming in open water).

If you don't do this race, then find another and continue your training.  It is worth it.

2011-08-10 10:58 PM
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Since you asked, No, you should not do it.

Please take the time to train properly for the swim, and then do it

2011-08-10 11:03 PM
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Fogflip - 2011-08-10 10:41 PM

I am suppose to compete in a tri a tri on saturday and started to learn how to swim a bit to late. The course is pretty shallow and says only a small portion is deeper than standing depth. My problem is i have just been able to swim 50 yards consecutively as of a few days ago i might be able to get 75 tomorrow i can do this multiple times. the swim distance is 400 meters. Should i still do it? The try is the summer sizzler in grand island ny any one ever do it can give some advice on the swim? thanks

Also i never realized swimming was so hard i am a solid runner just finished up a trail HM this weekend felt great after and can ride very strong for 60+ miles but toss me in the water :/

For what its worth, I have trouble swimming too. It is really hard. Good luck.

2011-08-10 11:23 PM
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Fogflip - 2011-08-10 11:41 PM

I am suppose to compete in a tri a tri on saturday and started to learn how to swim a bit to late. The course is pretty shallow and says only a small portion is deeper than standing depth. My problem is i have just been able to swim 50 yards consecutively as of a few days ago i might be able to get 75 tomorrow i can do this multiple times. the swim distance is 400 meters. Should i still do it? The try is the summer sizzler in grand island ny any one ever do it can give some advice on the swim? thanks

Also i never realized swimming was so hard i am a solid runner just finished up a trail HM this weekend felt great after and can ride very strong for 60+ miles but toss me in the water :/

400 meters is daunting if you can't string 75 together. Now assume a wave start with a whole group of people swimming over you. You can drown in a bathtub, so I wouldn't advise the swim until you are comfortable doing twice that distance first. FWIW the swim scares the crap out of the most people, but you can get really far in one year of training. Keep at it, but I wouldn't take a chance if you are on the fence.
2011-08-10 11:43 PM
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You are not prepared for this race. Don't even consider doing it. Take the time to learn to swim, then find another race to enter.


2011-08-10 11:56 PM
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Just checked the "races" for your area on this site. The summer sizzler also includes a duathlon. That sounds much more suited to you at this time. I'd reccomend you do the "Du" and keep up the swim training for a later triathlon. You might also want to consider doing a pool triathlon first to get you skills and confidence up.
2011-08-10 11:58 PM
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tenninstr - 2011-08-10 11:56 PM Just checked the "races" for your area on this site. The summer sizzler also includes a duathlon. That sounds much more suited to you at this time. I'd reccomend you do the "Du" and keep up the swim training for a later triathlon. You might also want to consider doing a pool triathlon first to get you skills and confidence up.

Now that is a good suggestion.

Assuming you already paid for the race you can probably contact the Race Director and ask to swap.

2011-08-11 12:09 AM
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Thank you everyone for the advice. i will email the race company tomorrow and see if i can change. I would not have thought swimming would be this hard for me and must suck up my pride in order to survive another day lol. But it might sound like a reach i kinda got lucky that next years half ironman syracuse falls on my bday there is no chance in hell i won't be prepared for that. Also there is another sprint tri end of september possibly my redemption if my swimming gets better. Once again thanks.
2011-08-11 12:14 AM
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Fogflip - 2011-08-11 12:09 AM Thank you everyone for the advice. i will email the race company tomorrow and see if i can change. I would not have thought swimming would be this hard for me and must suck up my pride in order to survive another day lol. But it might sound like a reach i kinda got lucky that next years half ironman syracuse falls on my bday there is no chance in hell i won't be prepared for that. Also there is another sprint tri end of september possibly my redemption if my swimming gets better. Once again thanks.

Good call - After your Du.

  1. Get some lessons.
  2. Get in the pool 3x a week
  3. Get in the open water at least 2x before the swim (unless the next tri is a pool swim).

General swimming advice, breathe out while your face is in the water.  If you have this much trouble you may not be getting enough air.

 

 

2011-08-11 12:31 AM
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I have been taking lessons... that is my problem is just not getting enough air i breath out underwater  turn to fully inhale etc but for some reason i just can't get enough. I have also learned to slow down my kick. I think part of it is due to anxiety in the pool even though i don't fully ackowledge it i never properly learned to swim as a child and have always shied away from swimming in general. Slowly i am getting more comfortable in the water. I believe i could swim more incorporating other strokes such as some back stroke and doggy paddle if need be. When i go swimming in the morning i would like to test just how far i can get mixing them up esp trying to recover on back stroke. once again you all have been great. 


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I know a number of good runners that struggle(d) with the swim. With practice they all improved. They tend to be lean and kind of a "sinker". I don't have that problem, I'm chunky enough to float like a cork and the swim comes easy. If it wasn't for that damn run they stick at the end of every tri I'd be pretty good at this Tongue out 

Good luck with your training and your Du. Have fun with it.

2011-08-11 4:44 AM
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OWS is difficult to be ready for even if somone knows how to swim therefore if you are just starting to learn and are worried about drowning , you are not ready but keep training and you will be ready someday!
2011-08-11 8:03 AM
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tenninstr - 2011-08-11 12:33 AM

I know a number of good runners that struggle(d) with the swim. With practice they all improved. They tend to be lean and kind of a "sinker". I don't have that problem, I'm chunky enough to float like a cork and the swim comes easy. If it wasn't for that damn run they stick at the end of every tri I'd be pretty good at this Tongue out 

Good luck with your training and your Du. Have fun with it.

Me. I still find swimming incredibly frustrating. Especially when the lifeguard point out that I'd be much faster and efficient if I didn't drag my legs. 1500 yards takes me almost an hour, and I'm working too damn hard.

It's much more technical than running or biking and takes even longer to become proficient. So sayeth my coach. My goal this winter is to work with her and fix the major issues with my form.

2011-08-11 8:11 AM
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Fogflip - 2011-08-11 1:09 AM Thank you everyone for the advice. i will email the race company tomorrow and see if i can change. I would not have thought swimming would be this hard for me and must suck up my pride in order to survive another day lol. But it might sound like a reach i kinda got lucky that next years half ironman syracuse falls on my bday there is no chance in hell i won't be prepared for that. Also there is another sprint tri end of september possibly my redemption if my swimming gets better. Once again thanks.

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2011-08-11 8:50 AM
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Fogflip - 2011-08-10 10:09 PM Thank you everyone for the advice. i will email the race company tomorrow and see if i can change. I would not have thought swimming would be this hard for me and must suck up my pride in order to survive another day lol. But it might sound like a reach i kinda got lucky that next years half ironman syracuse falls on my bday there is no chance in hell i won't be prepared for that. Also there is another sprint tri end of september possibly my redemption if my swimming gets better. Once again thanks.

Wise choice.  You aren't alone.  I did a training group last year and a few people(all very fit) had to opt out because they didn't feel ready for the swim.  It ended up being a good decision because the start was delayed almost an hour due to fog. This meant the slower swimmers were coming around the pier heading to shore as the tide was starting to go out.  It was exhausting. 

Go out and have fun at your duo.  You can enjoy yourself without all the swim stress and get some good experience for your tri. 



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tenninstr - 2011-08-11 1:33 AM

They tend to be lean and kind of a "sinker". I don't have that problem, I'm chunky enough to float like a cork and the swim comes easy.

This. Sometimes I wonder if my built-in flotation device should be race-illegal.

2011-08-11 9:42 AM
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Wise choice...

I'm a complete non swimmer... but I've started doing triathlons this year (done lots of duathlons in the past years). The swimming is by far the slowest part for me, but as long as I'm in a wet suit, I can swim 1/2 mile... my point being that if you plan to do more triathlons in the future, get a wet suit and keep practicing. Any stroke is legal, so if you're not comfortable free styling, just use the breast stroke, back stroke or whatever stroke propels you forward. Just swim enough that you are comfortable getting through the event without panic.
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"The marine environment is inherently unforgiving."

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audiojan - 2011-08-11 10:42 AM Wise choice... I'm a complete non swimmer... but I've started doing triathlons this year (done lots of duathlons in the past years). The swimming is by far the slowest part for me, but as long as I'm in a wet suit, I can swim 1/2 mile... my point being that if you plan to do more triathlons in the future, get a wet suit and keep practicing. Any stroke is legal, so if you're not comfortable free styling, just use the breast stroke, back stroke or whatever stroke propels you forward. Just swim enough that you are comfortable getting through the event without panic.

Definitely a wise choice to do the duathlon, but train WITHOUT the wetsuit, otherwise it may become a crutch.  I did a triathlon last year and the morning of the race, they announced the water temperature would be too warm for wetsuits (it was low 80s).  One guy said "That's unfair!  I can't swim that far without a wetsuit!" - the Race Director's answer was "Then you really shouldn't be doing the swim at all for safety reasons..."

Point is that if you plan on sticking with it, you will eventually want a wetsuit for "wetsuit-legal" swims, but you also need to be prepared for changes last minute where they may not allow them due to water temperature.

Good advice on not to panic though - there are certainly no restrictions on what kind of stroke to use, but just be careful of breast stroke with a lot of people around you as you end up kicking a lot of people in the face and it's not good etiquette.

The only reason's to train in one are if you either train in really cold water or you need to get used to swimming in it, otherwise wearing one will NOT make you a stronger and better swimmer.

 

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tenninstr - 2011-08-10 11:56 PM Just checked the "races" for your area on this site. The summer sizzler also includes a duathlon. That sounds much more suited to you at this time. I'd reccomend you do the "Du" and keep up the swim training for a later triathlon. You might also want to consider doing a pool triathlon first to get you skills and confidence up.

Great advice



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Probably a good decision.  I'm only a little bit ahead of you in the swim.  Did my first Tri last weekend.  It was only 300 yds and I felt comfortable enough that I could do it without endangering myself or others.   Ended up on my back twice but finished.  As has been said previously, swimming is so technical.  Little changes can make a big difference.  OWS are way different than the pool for sure.  Get a good coach and keep at it, it'll come.

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ChrisM - 2011-08-10 11:58 PM

Since you asked, No, you should not do it.

Please take the time to train properly for the swim, and then do it

+1. Don't' be foolish. The swim isn't a 5k you can just walk your way through if it doesn't work out. I did my first tri in May with a .4 mile swim. I began training in the pool in Janury and by May was QUITE capable of swimming the distance. Except for the cold, dark water, mass start, confused splashing of tons of racers, lack of Open Water Swimming experience. Sound scary? Good . . it is. And it is a task that shouldn't be undertaken lightly. I would skip it, and maybe look for a race you have proper time to train for.

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Fogflip - 2011-08-11 1:09 AM Thank you everyone for the advice. i will email the race company tomorrow and see if i can change. I would not have thought swimming would be this hard for me and must suck up my pride in order to survive another day lol. But it might sound like a reach i kinda got lucky that next years half ironman syracuse falls on my bday there is no chance in hell i won't be prepared for that. Also there is another sprint tri end of september possibly my redemption if my swimming gets better. Once again thanks.

I missed this before my previous post. Good choice! I HIGHLY recommend an OWS clinic if you can find one. They aren't so much about swimming as swimming in a triathlon. I took one with Mid-Atlantic Multisport and it was money VERY well spent.

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