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2011-08-24 7:54 PM

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Subject: Youth Football: Designated Ballcarrier Rule?
My son will be starting football this fall. It will be the first year for the league and they have a "Designated Ballcarrier Rule". Players 75 lbs and above (3rd grade) will only be able to play on the offensive and defensive line and not allowed to play a skilled position or advance the ball (fumbles, kickoffs, etc). The stated rational behind the rule was safety--i.e. smaller kids trying to tackle bigger kids.

On one hand I understand the idea of making it safe as well as keeping a couple kids from dominating the game. On the other hand, it is tough when some kids (like mine) won't ever get to touch the ball.

I would appreciate any experiences or thoughts on the subject.



2011-08-24 10:20 PM
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They've gotten lax on the rules since I played fifteen years ago. If you were above the weight limit, you didn't play. Period. I see the rationale behind it. I never got to be a ball carrier either and I played 7 years of football, didn't bother me one bit (and it wasn't because I weighed too much).

Your kid could always scoop up a fumble and run it back for a TD
2011-08-25 7:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Youth Football: Designated Ballcarrier Rule?
Same thing here . . .  I just tell him to suck it up and understand he will always be a lineman.

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I do tell him to enjoy the weight advantage now, while he has it.  And he's learning the art of a the "pancake block".


And actually, our league has a third tier . . . the "red-stripe" that my son falls under.

A player under 80 pounds may play any position on offense and/or defense and still have a jersey number under 50 or 80 and over.

A player 80 pounds to under 95 will receive a BLUE stripe and must play center, guard, tackle or end on Offense. He is not allowed to receive a pass or advance the ball on offense. On defense, the play may play linebacker or a lineman position (defensive end, defensive tackle or noseguard). He may intercept a pass or recover a fumble and may advance the ball. All players in this group will have numbers in the 50s or 60s.

Players 95 pounds or over will receive a red stripe and must play interior down lineman (Offense: center, guard or tackle. Defense: noseguard or defensive tackle). Under no circumstances is a red striper allowed to advance the ball. All red stripers will have the jersey number in the 70s series.

2011-08-25 7:35 AM
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What position does your son play now vs. what does he want to play?

2011-08-25 7:55 AM
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He hasn't been assigned a position yet. He is a tall athletic kid and given family history he is the TE, DE-type. As we threw the ball around this summer I tried to prepare him for fact that there are eleven players and one football. Still it was a little tough when he said "I won't get the ball ever???"

probably a good life lesson-- things won't always be fair
2011-08-25 7:56 AM
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I played in a league that had this rule.  I was a 'black stripe' player, and we couldn't do anything with the ball, except intercept a pass, or recover a fumble (or knock a pass down).  We couldn't even punt or kickoff.

Worked out fine for me, as I went on to play O-line in college.



2011-08-25 8:37 AM
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Things change...  My son started playing football in 4th grade and was always a black striper...until 8th grade ball after he grew 5 inches and lost 5 pound in a year.  He is now a senior and a varsity wide receiver at 6'2" and 180 lbs.

Enjoy the time...it goes all too fast!

2011-08-25 8:41 AM
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O-line is where real men play anyhow.

2011-08-25 8:55 AM
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TriJedi - 2011-08-25 5:55 AMHe hasn't been assigned a position yet. He is a tall athletic kid and given family history he is the TE, DE-type. As we threw the ball around this summer I tried to prepare him for fact that there are eleven players and one football. Still it was a little tough when he said "I won't get the ball ever???"probably a good life lesson-- things won't always be fair

Is he quick? If you think he might play DE then he can get good practice but if he really wants to be on offence then maybe get him in a flag football league. I was a RB, WR, and safety but at 11 I was over the weight limit for offence so I joined a flag football team and really improved my running and on field awareness. So it really comes down to what you want him to learn and what he will have fun doing.



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2011-08-25 9:03 AM
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I was involved in youth football for many years, both as a coach and as an administrator. There many, many youth football organizations across the country, and even internationally. The age/weight rules are as varied as can be. If you don't like the restrictions, look around for a different league. For my money, the best way to go is no weight restrictions at all. Play by age only and let the kid's physical abilities determine what positions they play. I understand the rationale behind weight limits, but don't agree.
2011-08-25 9:39 AM
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I don't ever remember weight limits growing up.  If you were big and fast, you tended to dominate. One of the things that we had as an option was moving up to an "older" age group if your skills/size were above the one you were in.  


2011-08-25 10:09 AM
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thats light.  The league my son played in was over 95 pounds you couldn't advanced the ball, over 115 you couldn't play (at that age).  At first I kind of questioned it untill I saw the kids who where that big. 

If you could give a 100 lb 3rd grader the ball and let him run, most teams couldn't tackel him without giving up yards.  He wouldn't even have to be that good.  Thats not teaching anything.

So while I agree with the rule, 75 pounds is to light.

 

2011-08-25 10:22 AM
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AUradar - 2011-08-25 11:09 AM

 

If you could give a 100 lb 3rd grader the ball and let him run, most teams couldn't tackel him without giving up yards.  He wouldn't even have to be that good.  Thats not teaching anything.

 

I know everyone has a story about this or that beast of a kid, but most 100lb 3rd graders won't be athletic enough to run the ball effectively.

2011-08-25 10:33 AM
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so many rb's and wr's don't know how to block...this will be a great learning experience for your boy.  If he maintains his speed, quickness, and power, all positions will be available to him when he gets older.  

(this coming from a kid who was so skinny he would have been split in 2 if he ever walked onto a football field as a kid/teen!)    I was damn good as a neighborhood nerf football 2-hand touch player though!

2011-08-25 10:41 AM
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I am just curious, in this day and age obese children are not uncommon, even in sports (you should have seen my nephews little league team). What happens if a team does not have enough players under the weight limit to handle the ball? are they just unable to play at that point and forfeit all their games? Is an exception made for them? I imagine it is a rare occurence but could still happen in this day and age.
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mrbbrad - 2011-08-25 10:22 AM
AUradar - 2011-08-25 11:09 AM

 

If you could give a 100 lb 3rd grader the ball and let him run, most teams couldn't tackel him without giving up yards.  He wouldn't even have to be that good.  Thats not teaching anything.

 

I know everyone has a story about this or that beast of a kid, but most 100lb 3rd graders won't be athletic enough to run the ball effectively.

maybe we just grow them big down here.  But at 95 pounds, our ball carriers where having to strip down and not eat to make weight.  100lb 3rd grader thats athelic is not uncommon.  Thats why I can't believe other leagues have a 75 pound limit. 



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bel83 - 2011-08-25 10:41 AM

I am just curious, in this day and age obese children are not uncommon, even in sports (you should have seen my nephews little league team). What happens if a team does not have enough players under the weight limit to handle the ball? are they just unable to play at that point and forfeit all their games? Is an exception made for them? I imagine it is a rare occurence but could still happen in this day and age.


Ours is a community league--about 75 kids on six teams. They play each other during the regular season then have do a playoffs. The restricted players should be distributed evenly during the team draft.
2011-08-25 8:16 PM
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Former college football player here. I personally don't think kids should play football until 11 or 12 . The sport is too technical and weight rules are plain stupid/unfair. They'd be better off playing flag football and learning basic skills
2011-08-25 8:53 PM
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We have in our youth club a rule where if the kid is at or above X lbs (sorry, can't convert to Metric with an unknown value ), they play the line.  This now changed where the QB was one of our best players, but now has to play line.  I have a feeling that isn't sitting well with the parents and a few other persons.

I sometimes have trouble understanding that rule, too, since my kid is one of the skinniest and is a running back, and he gets clobbered by the bigger kids.  It doesn't sit well with me knowing that he'll be on the ground recovering slowly or getting injured more easily.  I'm waiting for the next few weeks to see if I'll be running him to urgent care with a busted rib, arm, leg, etc.

2011-08-25 9:32 PM
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If there is a chance your son is skilled and athletic is there an option to play up a weight catagory?  We actual had a situation where a 2nd grader went up to play 73 lbs and was on the verge of being a stripper, if he ended up being a stripper he was going to come back down and play another year of flag where the stripper weight is actually heavier.  Also my nephew was considering playing up a weight level because there were 28 kids on his team, ended up the level above him had 32 kids.
2011-08-25 11:27 PM
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Bmel - 2011-08-25 9:32 PM

If there is a chance your son is skilled and athletic is there an option to play up a weight catagory?  We actual had a situation where a 2nd grader went up to play 73 lbs and was on the verge of being a stripper, if he ended up being a stripper he was going to come back down and play another year of flag where the stripper weight is actually heavier.  Also my nephew was considering playing up a weight level because there were 28 kids on his team, ended up the level above him had 32 kids.





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Bmel - 2011-08-25 9:32 PM

If there is a chance your son is skilled and athletic is there an option to play up a weight catagory?  We actual had a situation where a 2nd grader went up to play 73 lbs and was on the verge of being a stripper, if he ended up being a stripper he was going to come back down and play another year of flag where the stripper weight is actually heavier.  Also my nephew was considering playing up a weight level because there were 28 kids on his team, ended up the level above him had 32 kids.


I don't think so. I talked with a dad who had 2 boys playing. They wouldn't let the younger move up.
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2011-08-26 6:20 AM
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So what we need to teach kids is that if they don't get to touch the ball they shouldn't play.  I think this is very selfish.  These are great life lessons to learn.

Many kids will change positions throughout their life as they grow, hit puberty and their bodies change.

These kind or rules exist because, frankly, because many coaches (parents) would abuse it otherwise.

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Hi,

First off I am a girl and I played tackle football in 3rd grade and I was always barely over the weight limit like sometimes by 1 pound and it always made me so mad and I am going into 6th grade next year and I look at the weight limits for 6th-8th and I am above all of them the 8th grade weight rule states that I would have to be 130 pounds in order to run the ball and I am weighing in at 156 and I just really bugs me it makes me feel like I’m not good enough or I’m fat it just sucks so that’s why I haven’t been playing football these past 3 years I found a new sport which is soccer and I am really good at goalie. Maybe your son will like soccer I don’t know. But what I’m saying is I HATE THE WEIGHT RULES
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