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2006-01-11 7:43 PM

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Subject: Another staged event
President Bush attended another staged event today in Kentucky. The audience was prescreened and approved as were questions. Guys, this is getting embarassing to say the least. What next, Pro Iraqi war telemarketers. Wake me up in 2008.

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2006-01-11 7:54 PM
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Karl Rove is a marketing guy. That's what he does.

2006-01-12 1:30 AM
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marmadaddy - 2006-01-11 7:54 PM

Karl Rove is a marketing guy. That's what he does.



and people called him the devil. i could understand if he was a lawyer or an insurance guy.
2006-01-12 10:36 AM
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Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

2006-01-12 11:20 AM
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2006-01-12 11:29 AM
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run4yrlif - 2006-01-12 9:36 AM

Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

Yes of course, because we know he is without a doubt the first, last and only president or holder of high public office to have his questions prescreened and/or have PR people hovering around trying to make sure he's portrayed in a good light.  I think there's enough people jumping through hoops to portray him as negatively as possible without giving them free shots...

bts



2006-01-12 11:38 AM
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Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM

run4yrlif - 2006-01-12 9:36 AM

Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

Yes of course, because we know he is without a doubt the first, last and only president or holder of high public office to have his questions prescreened and/or have PR people hovering around trying to make sure he's portrayed in a good light.  I think there's enough people jumping through hoops to portray him as negatively as possible without giving them free shots...

bts



Exactly. Don't you believe Clinton did the same thing and all those town hall meetings?
This is nothing new.
2006-01-12 11:43 AM
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Bettylou - 2006-01-12 11:38 AM

Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM

run4yrlif - 2006-01-12 9:36 AM

Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

Yes of course, because we know he is without a doubt the first, last and only president or holder of high public office to have his questions prescreened and/or have PR people hovering around trying to make sure he's portrayed in a good light.  I think there's enough people jumping through hoops to portray him as negatively as possible without giving them free shots...

bts



Exactly. Don't you believe Clinton did the same thing and all those town hall meetings?
This is nothing new.


BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton
its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!
2006-01-12 11:51 AM
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So you're saying because Clinton did a bad thing its ok for Bush to do bad things?
2006-01-12 11:51 AM
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Let's recall folks that Clinton faced plenty of hostile audiences and was capable of fielding questions and giving pretty good answers. For all his moral shortcomings, the man was brilliant. Can't say the current pres has that ability, but then it could be his handlers.

btw my wife and I were watching the news this morning when it was announced that Clinton was starting a new initiative to combat AIDS. Sue wondered if his new initiative was that he would become monogamous. 



Edited by gullahcracker 2006-01-12 11:52 AM
2006-01-12 11:56 AM
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tyrant - 2006-01-12 10:43 AM BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!

What?!  I'm not trendy?  But I read GQ and everything... dammit.  I guess I'll have to console myself knowing that I like in the "swing" state.

gullahcracker - 2006-01-12 10:51 AM

btw my wife and I were watching the news this morning when it was announced that Clinton was starting a new initiative to combat AIDS. Sue wondered if his new initiative was that he would become monogamous. 

Sounds like your wife has a step up on half of Leno's writer's lately...

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2006-01-12 11:58 AM
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tyrant - 2006-01-12 12:43 PM

Bettylou - 2006-01-12 11:38 AM

Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM

run4yrlif - 2006-01-12 9:36 AM

Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

Yes of course, because we know he is without a doubt the first, last and only president or holder of high public office to have his questions prescreened and/or have PR people hovering around trying to make sure he's portrayed in a good light.  I think there's enough people jumping through hoops to portray him as negatively as possible without giving them free shots...

bts



Exactly. Don't you believe Clinton did the same thing and all those town hall meetings?
This is nothing new.


BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton
its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!


You wouldn't think so from the discussions around here. It seems that Bush support is predominant.
2006-01-12 11:59 AM
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2006-01-12 12:09 PM
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Opus - 2006-01-12 11:58 AM

tyrant - 2006-01-12 12:43 PM

Bettylou - 2006-01-12 11:38 AM

Brett - 2006-01-12 11:29 AM

run4yrlif - 2006-01-12 9:36 AM

Par for the Bush course. The only way the guy's going to get a favorable audience is to carefully craft one.

If he's too afraid to take real questions from the people he represents, the guy's got no business having the job he does. 

Yes of course, because we know he is without a doubt the first, last and only president or holder of high public office to have his questions prescreened and/or have PR people hovering around trying to make sure he's portrayed in a good light.  I think there's enough people jumping through hoops to portray him as negatively as possible without giving them free shots...

bts



Exactly. Don't you believe Clinton did the same thing and all those town hall meetings?
This is nothing new.


BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton
its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!


You wouldn't think so from the discussions around here. It seems that Bush support is predominant.


well i wouldnt say that this polls would be a sceintific poll in any way. it irritates me that i see so many people who will dish Bush, and talk trash about him; then once you say "what do you really hate about him?" or when i hear "impeach bush" my response is why? for what crime? RARELY i meet a person when challanged they have any response. and of those who do, most spew the lies of michael moore (oh yea mike, im still waiting, i emailed you 6 months ago about so factual errors in your movie; still havent heard back).

that is why i say its trendy, esp with the 16-25 age range (the Dems must be salavating, maybe they can actually pull hte trigger on a win, not like that sad attempt in 04. which everything was setup for them to win, and they cracked). HERE on these forms though there are alot of people who ACTUALLY have something intelligent (that they thought up) to say.
2006-01-12 12:10 PM
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Actually, his (Bush) tactic has been to not hold press conferences.
2006-01-12 12:11 PM
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surfwallace - 2006-01-12 11:59 AM

And Bush doesn't face any hostility? DC press conferences try to eat his lunch. His tactic is different than Clinton. Clinton was the best speaker I have ever seen. He could talk his way out of anything. Bush's tactic is simple. If he doesn't like the question, he won't answer it.



what did robert macnamara say "never answer the question you were asked, answer the question you wish you were aksed."


2006-01-12 12:11 PM
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And what DC press conference did he attend?
2006-01-12 12:15 PM
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gullahcracker - 2006-01-11 8:43 PM President Bush attended another staged event today in Kentucky. The audience was prescreened and approved as were questions. Guys, this is getting embarassing to say the least. What next, Pro Iraqi war telemarketers. Wake me up in 2008.

What next, though I claim no affiliations any particular political party it is a well know fact that both sides have these staged events. It's not just the Republicans.

2006-01-12 12:22 PM
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2006-01-12 12:25 PM
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Tyrant,

I don't hate Bush but I did run to the bathroom, while suppressing a reflexive need to throwup, when I heard that Kerry conceded. I never did throwup but I felt very ill. I realize now that everything will be alright. This clown will be followed by another clown in a few years. The nice thing about our system of government is that our clowns are not invested with too much power and their welcome comes with a maximum term limit.

Here are a few things I don't like:

I don't like Bush's divisive tactics while claiming to be a uniter. That's too cynical for my stomach.

I don't like that our POTUS (not just Bush, but any POTUS) does not believe in evolution and says so. Aside from the fact that it's embarassing, I think it's dangerous, especially when he starts advocating that creationism should be taught in public schools.

I don't like that he doesn't read. I prefer a more inquisitive, knowledge-seeking POTUS.

I don't like his avowed preference for simplistic analysis of a complex world. That reflects a lazy mind to me. If my neighbor wants to be lazy-minded, I don't care. If my POTUS is lazy-minded, that's another thing entirely.

I don't like his world view.

I don't like the way that he defiled America by misleading us into the Iraq war.

I don't like the way he cynically manipulated the mostly ignorant population into believing that Iraq was involved in the September 11 attacks.

I don't like the way he ignores science and facts in favor of partisanship and party platform.

I think he's a poor steward of our nation and I will celebrate his final departure from DC.



Edited by Renee 2006-01-12 12:25 PM
2006-01-12 12:27 PM
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Who really carse if it's staged or not? I think most people who watch a Bush "town hall" by now know that it is not a cross section of Americans and their views; it is a gathering of supporters (whether tax payer money should be used when you are excluding people based on their views or affiliation is another matter).

And even if they did allow non-supporters in, do you really think it would matter? Politicians to not survive by actually answering questions. And if it's working, why stop?

As far as dems doing this just as much, please just show me some evidence. I seem to remember several times where Kerry got heckled by Bush suporters because they let anyone into their gatherings.


2006-01-12 12:30 PM
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2006-01-12 12:50 PM
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Ok, well I suppose they could have been Kerry supporters heckling him. The point is that they allowed in anyone, unlike Bush where you had to sign a loyalty oath to get a ticket and they removed people who wore the wrong t-shirt or had the wrong bumper sticker.

As long as everyone knows that it is a partisan rally and not representative of the popuation as a whole and its not paid for by the taxpayers I think most people can see it for what it really is.

2006-01-12 12:55 PM
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"BUT bettylou is was cool to back clinton
its cool to hate Bush, so the rules dont apply!"


Being one of the younger generation that seem to be so unable to resist what is "cool", I have to post my diagreement. My family is conservative and habitually republican and when Dubya was elected a REALLY TRIED to have faith in him, to trust in his promises and outlook, to keep in mind that he deserved respect as our president. Those who continue to insist that the right/liberals are just spinning events to make him look bad need to stop drinking the koolaid. While BOTH sides are guilty of spinning their stories, you don't have to look far to find shameful acts that the administration is guilty of. I mean this in isolation too, not in comparison to any other administration. I do not base my opinion of the administration by checking in with M.Moore or MTV, but by actually paying attention to world events. I listen to both sides, and make a decision for myself and anyone that has ANY objectivity has got to concede that the manner is which this president conducts himself is problematic and deserving of criticism. that is not to say that the democartic party is without fault. But seriously people, there is a distinction between believing in your chosen political party and supporting a politician. Don't make defending Dubya your mission-save that energy for your workout. I hope that in the future mending fences between the sides and uniting our country will be the focus rather than trying to dissect everyone away from eachother. If you need to remember why defending him is a losing battle, refer to Renee's list.
2006-01-12 1:06 PM
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Renee - 2006-01-12 1:25 PM

Tyrant,

I don't hate Bush but I did run to the bathroom, while suppressing a reflexive need to throwup, when I heard that Kerry conceded. I never did throwup but I felt very ill. I realize now that everything will be alright. This clown will be followed by another clown in a few years. The nice thing about our system of government is that our clowns are not invested with too much power and their welcome comes with a maximum term limit.

Here are a few things I don't like:

I don't like Bush's divisive tactics while claiming to be a uniter. That's too cynical for my stomach.

I don't like that our POTUS (not just Bush, but any POTUS) does not believe in evolution and says so. Aside from the fact that it's embarassing, I think it's dangerous, especially when he starts advocating that creationism should be taught in public schools.

I don't like that he doesn't read. I prefer a more inquisitive, knowledge-seeking POTUS.

I don't like his avowed preference for simplistic analysis of a complex world. That reflects a lazy mind to me. If my neighbor wants to be lazy-minded, I don't care. If my POTUS is lazy-minded, that's another thing entirely.

I don't like his world view.

I don't like the way that he defiled America by misleading us into the Iraq war.

I don't like the way he cynically manipulated the mostly ignorant population into believing that Iraq was involved in the September 11 attacks.

I don't like the way he ignores science and facts in favor of partisanship and party platform.

I think he's a poor steward of our nation and I will celebrate his final departure from DC.

Yea, what she said!!  (as he slowly peeked from behind her skirt)

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