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2011-11-06 7:50 AM

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2011-11-06 7:55 AM
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2011-11-06 9:36 AM
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Disgust doesn't begin to describe my feelings. It also reeks of a cover-up and looking the other way. If it's true that Paterno went to the AD and they did nothing nor did he press for action, they both deserve severe consequences.

Despite my rivalry toward PSU, this should never be tolerated at any level.
2011-11-06 3:32 PM
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It is sad when those in higher administrative roles turned a blind eye to a report of that severity.

If these allegations are true, which sound pretty substantial it will be ugly.

2011-11-06 3:45 PM
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This TOTALLY sickens me.

He is NOT Penn State.

2011-11-06 3:54 PM
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2011-11-06 3:56 PM
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2011-11-06 4:32 PM
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IMO: Paterno is guilty by omission and failure to act. He went to the AD, that's true. But no action came from it. Next stop should have been follow up with him and then to the police and' if nothing: the media. He protected the perpetrator and covered his a$$ thinking he had nothing else to worry about.

Sorry, this isn't free tatoos here.
2011-11-06 6:02 PM
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2011-11-06 6:16 PM
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Given. Our sum total of facts have been summarized in the press and nothing more. I just know that no one could confide that in me and expect inaction on my part. I have to give Paterno the benefit of the doubt. And some Depends.
2011-11-06 6:20 PM
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2011-11-07 6:50 AM
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I have met all of the PSU people mentioned except for one (Schultz), and I have to say that I am stunned.

The few times I have met Sandusky, he always struck me as a great person, honest, caring, and devoted to the team, his boss, and to doing charitable work. The Second Mile has been an institution around Penn State for decades; allegations such as these against its founder are just mind-boggling.

I have met Paterno on numerous occasions, as well as Graham Spanier and Tim Curly. I have never liked Spanier much, he always struck me as a weasel, and it's a poorly-kept secret that him and Paterno do not like each other (there's a long-standing feud that started when Paterno banned Spanier from the team locker room before games). Curly I met once or twice, and he seemed to be more of a political animal than anything else, but that opinion is based on the circumstances of when I met him (he was shmoozing donors at a party). The fact that he did nothing does not surprise me much.

I have been an observer of the high-level politics at the university, and I can say that I am not overly surprised by the potential cover-up to some extent. I don't believe Paterno necessarily did anything wrong; he raised the flag, and for all we know he was told that everything was good, and really, what more can you do after that? The fact that no charges have been brought says something in that regard as well.
2011-11-07 6:54 AM
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The entire thing sickens me. Why didn't the GA go to the police? Why didn't Joe Pa go to the police?

This whole thing with them reporting it up THEIR chain is BS. Someone should have gone to the police, let them decide if anything illegal has taken place.

I have lived in PA all of my life, and have NEVER been a Penn State fan. There has always been something about them, and Joe Pa that rubbed me the wrong way. I have never been happier to not be a fan of someone.

2011-11-07 8:25 AM
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I wonder if they receive the same training we do as teachers...That being said, there is a hierarchy.  I go to the principal, she goes to the Archdiocese, they go to the police. Very specific procedure.

I don't know all the background, when did Paterno go to the officials? 2002?  And they didn't follow through? Of course, I couldn't live with that guilt if I were coach. I just went to a trial for a man that exposed himself in the pool.  Pales in comparison, but if I "let it go", it may have gone down the same path.

2011-11-07 8:34 AM
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turtlegirl - 2011-11-07 9:25 AM

I wonder if they receive the same training we do as teachers...That being said, there is a hierarchy.  I go to the principal, she goes to the Archdiocese, they go to the police. Very specific procedure.

I don't know all the background, when did Paterno go to the officials? 2002?  And they didn't follow through? Of course, I couldn't live with that guilt if I were coach. I just went to a trial for a man that exposed himself in the pool.  Pales in comparison, but if I "let it go", it may have gone down the same path.

Why can't you go directly to the police? With a chain like that, with something as serious as sexual abuse I see the "Whisper Down the Lane" game. By the time it gets to where it should be, what you said and what was reported could be 2 different things.

2011-11-07 9:16 AM
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BC there is a procedure in place.  It all should happen within minutes or hours at the very least, but it all has to be documented.  Unfortunately, that is the way it is.  You also have to protect the accused.  I've seen several accounts of children that have wrongly accused teachers to get back at them.  The lies finally came out in the court case, but not before teachers have had their names dragged through the mud. 


2011-11-07 9:20 AM
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I agree with you; an active hireacrchy makes sense. But, in the PSU case, it was months and years after allegations were brought and nothing was done. This is where I have trouble. If my first line contact doesn't act, I go back and ask why. If nothing again, I go up a notch or a level until action is reached. I might lose my job for going outside the chain of command, but I'd rather lose my job than one more child be a victim or a perpetrator not be investigated.
2011-11-07 9:25 AM
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absolutely. It is an abomination.  Which is why I sat in court to testify over a man exposing himself in public. 

I'll never ever understand what drives child molesters, as a teacher its my nature to protect children.  Its no coincidence that at prisons, they are the lowest of the low on the food chain, and there is some justice in that.

2011-11-07 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Sexual abuse charges Rock Penn State University
turtlegirl - 2011-11-07 7:25 AM

I don't know all the background, when did Paterno go to the officials? 2002?  And they didn't follow through? Of course, I couldn't live with that guilt if I were coach. 

 

But what's in the grand jury testimony is significantly different to what Paterno was told in 2002, according to the news reports. If he had no real details, where does his responsibility end? He turned it over to the people he was supposed to. 

2011-11-07 9:35 AM
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I can certainly imagine that JoePa goes back to the person he reported to and is told, "The issue is being dealt with but I cannot talk with you about it because of confidentiality." 

Again, the point was made that the grand jury did not indict even with more information. 

The reality is, even though it is some time later, the truth has come out and the legal system is at work. 

No justice can be meted out which will make everything better... but it appears that Sandusky and others will face serious consequences.

2011-11-07 9:38 AM
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I just read about this today and it does amaze me how long it took to get to the police.

I have known people who were falsely accused of crimes like these, so I'll certainly give them all the benefit of the doubt, but it aint looking good based on what's in the media.  



2011-11-07 1:25 PM
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This is incredibly shocking in many levels.  I have been a big fan of Penn State for a long time and especially of Joe Pa and everything he has done, so I find it deeply disturbing that he didn’t do more with this information.  How can you be at ease with just referring the matter to the superiors, when you were informed of the disturbing allegations against a member of your staff?

I know everyone disserves their day at court and that many people are falsely accused with this type of allegations, but if you read the grand jury report it becomes disturbingly clear that this is not hearsay.

I feel sorry for those kids that were once again betrayed by the adults in their life and in a way that most likely scarred them for life.  For cases like this if found guilty, is when I wish we were an authoritarian state and that the death penalty could be imposed at will.

2011-11-07 1:38 PM
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While Joe Paterno may not have done anything legally wrong, he is certainly not without blame based on the limited info we have at the moment.

My biggest questions are:

1. Why did the graduate assistant(who by the way is still on staff at PSU) not do anything to stop the assault he witnessed in the locker room?
2. Given the heinous nature of the allegations why did the GA or Joe Paterno himself not follow up after reporting them to the AD when it was obvious that nothing was being done(this particular allegation was from 2002 and the grand jury has only been investigating for about 2 years)? We don’t know that they didn’t with the limited info we have, but it doesn’t “appear” that they did.

I may not be a mandatory reporter by law, but if I witnessed a 58 year old man naked in a locker room with a 10 year old boy who was also naked, I would stop what was going on right then. In fact, I would have probably beaten the old man within an inch of his life and asked questions later. After I broke it up I would report it to the police. The heck with reporting it up the chain of command, I would have reported it to the POLICE and up the chain of command!

I know we are all making a lot of assumptions, but this looks really, really bad.
2011-11-07 1:52 PM
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Grand jury report is here. VERY difficult to read:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201111/20111107_sandusky_grand_j...

Huge holes in what happened and when. It seems to me the University Police were pretty integral players in a cover-up as well. The incidents were reported to them and resulted in nothing being done.
2011-11-07 2:03 PM
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