March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization
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2006-03-03 7:24 AM |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization First and foremost, the purpose of this challenge is to motivate each member to reaching for an obtainable but difficult to reach goal. As such, we are here to support our teammates and talk trash with our oppsing teams. Some rules may need to be ironed out, so I throw the rules out for discussion and, ultimately, agreement. Previously stated rules: RULES: 1) To even out the playing field, since it is winter on much of the North American continent, both indoor and outdoor miles will count equally. 2) Any type of bicycle/trainer/etc. may be used to tabulate miles. 3) Teams may be formed starting right around ... now! Playing off that small tournament that Ole Miss has muddled into once (yes, once), thinking that we could team up by Athlete Conferences -- SEC, ACC, Big-10, etc. If your school does not have a big conference, you can align with the conference of your choice. 4) To the winners will go everlasting virtual glory ... and the ability to chose the losing teams' avatar for the month of April, beginning - appropriately so - on April Fool's Day. 5) Result to be sent to Team Captain by each Sunday night. Team Captains to post results weekly on to-be-created March Madness Weekly Results thread on Mondays. Edit: All submissions to coaches should be based upon what is logged in your Training Blog. 6) Winners are determined by the percentage of team participants that reached their goal. Should there be a tie, then by gross team mileage completed ... 6) Smack talking is, of course, encouraged. As pointed out in the other thread, Rule #6 may not necessarily be the best course ... it has been proposed that nothing more can be gained beyond reaching 100% of stated goal, and would agree with the logic behind that. There needs to be an incentive to bite off a little more than you are comfortably chewing ... (for example, I have already upped my goal by ~40% to 275, which will be the most miles I have ever ridden in a given month.) Some team members may be faster than others, some slower. I throw out 16 mph as a middle of the road pace for consideration. If you think there is a better pace, then please throw it out there and let's discuss. Another thing to take into consideration is injury. Unless there is a car involved, cycling is less impact and therefore injury prone than running. That being said, I would hate to have someone try to muddle through miles so as to not let their team down ... how best to handle? Lastly, final rosters with team members and their associated goals should be posted to this thread on Sunday. Results should be posted to a thread to be created Monday morning entitled something along the lines of "March Madness Weekly Results". I have taxed my feeble Ole Miss mind trying to think this thing through ... so I throw this out to discussion to the more learned folks ( ): thoughts, comments, suggestions? Let's discuss and finalize them by end of today, tomorrow morning at the latest so that we can have this "push pinned" to the top of the forum. Thanks!!! |
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2006-03-03 7:45 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Veteran 244 Ida, Michigan | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization As pointed out in the other thread, Rule #6 may not necessarily be the best course ... it has been proposed that nothing more can be gained beyond reaching 100% of stated goal, and would agree with the logic behind that. There needs to be an incentive to bite off a little more than you are comfortably chewing ... (for example, I have already upped my goal by ~40% to 275, which will be the most miles I have ever ridden in a given month.) There does, however, need to be a way to break a tie. Volume is still probably the best solution and, in the interest of being able to weigh minutes vs. miles, I recommend that we convert time into miles by utilizing a standard common mph pace. I am not sure I like this, some teams will have more members than others. Also, a team that has most of its members preparing for a HIM will obviously have more volume than a team that has most of its members training for a sprint. |
2006-03-03 7:47 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Well, you'll have to leave it to the ACC geniuses to figure out all the fine points ...... ;-P I'd say we need to NOT convert time to miles. We had talked about this in the running challenge. It really favors the slower riders/runners and severely penalizes the fasties. I typically average over 19 on my LSR days, and if I was a minute person I would get nailed for over 3 miles on each hour ridden, and that's assuming I'm having a "slow" day. My Weds. rides get well above 21 mph ....... So I think minutes are minutes and miles are miles. Keep it simple. If all the teams hit their goal 100%, then everyone wins (like the Jan. swim challenge). Since this IS for health benefit, we don't need to demoralize a team because they hit their goal 100% but didn't do anything "extra" to win a tie break. But I'm just a little turtle (with a big bite), so take what I say with a grain of salt. (terp.JPG) Attachments ---------------- terp.JPG (45KB - 66 downloads) |
2006-03-03 8:47 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Craig/Rick: I hear what both of you are saying as to the problem, but do not clearly see a ready solution. Any ideas on how to address them? For those with more team members, while they have the opportunity to rack up volume after 100% - they have a greater risk of not each team member reaching 100%. The greater the volume commitment, the greater the chances are to fail ... in that the greater the volume commitment, the more time it takes. Time is finite - free time to train for most is a scarce commodity and training time often takes a backseat to family and job commitments. For the conversion into a common denominator, there has to be some sort of commonality in order to determine the losing team who has to change their avatar. I can see a scenario where each team has 100% goal obtainment and one team has X miles, but only Y minutes vs. another team who only has Y miles but has X minutes ... how do you determine the outcome? Pssoble solution: I do not have a trainer, so I am uncertain about this ... but can you not gauge distance on a training from your cyclocomputer? If so, then you have the option of utilizing distance instead of time. Logging time would then be for people using stationary bicycles w/out distance meters -- and how large is that population within the challenge? Again, I have no strong feelings about the above and would like to open it up for suggestions ... with the end result that the rules are fair for all and simple enough for an Ole Miss grad to understand (factoring down to the lowest common denominator ). |
2006-03-03 9:48 AM in reply to: #359799 |
Expert 906 Olathe, KS | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I say keep it simple - state your goals in EITHER time or miles and then scores are based on both percentage of goal met and percentage of teammates making the goal. Just like the February run challenge. Nothing over 100% should count though, otherwise you can just sandbag your goal then rack up miles anyway. You can't get too technical on a challenge that is based on the honor system anyway! If someone is too worried about winning the challenge instead of setting a high enough goal that they have to push themselves the spirit of these challenges is lost anyway. |
2006-03-03 9:51 AM in reply to: #359885 |
Expert 906 Olathe, KS | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I just realized Daremo said basically the same thing as me so I concur with the Terrapin! |
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2006-03-03 9:59 AM in reply to: #359697 |
, Texas | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I say let there be a tie, especically since the only realistic way a tie would happen is if the team meets their goal of 100%. This is my first challenge. How has this been handled in previous challenges? |
2006-03-03 10:31 AM in reply to: #359898 |
Veteran 244 Ida, Michigan | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization camy - 2006-03-03 10:59 AM I say let there be a tie, especically since the only realistic way a tie would happen is if the team meets their goal of 100%. I agree, if a team meets 100% of their goals, they deserve to be crowned champions (or co-champions). |
2006-03-03 11:05 AM in reply to: #359939 |
Elite 3489 Lakewood, CO | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization cathrone - 2006-03-03 9:31 AM camy - 2006-03-03 10:59 AM I say let there be a tie, especically since the only realistic way a tie would happen is if the team meets their goal of 100%. I agree, if a team meets 100% of their goals, they deserve to be crowned champions (or co-champions). Ditto!! |
2006-03-03 12:26 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Master 1641 Seattle, California | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I agree 100% is 100%. The challenge is less about who wins or loses and more about providing motivation to be active and achieve personal goals. |
2006-03-03 1:51 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization So if everyone is winner and there are no losers, should we drop the change the losing team's avatars for the month of April? |
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2006-03-03 1:54 PM in reply to: #360249 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization No ..... because usually not every team hits there goals. Look at the run challenge .... I think only those cooky Canadians actually hit 100%, everyone else was under ..... The Jan. swim challenge was a fluke, it had never happened before. |
2006-03-03 2:02 PM in reply to: #360256 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Okay ... I'm good either way -- but want to be sure that we nail this down as a group before the challenge takes off in earnest. What about the injury issue? Any quick + easy suggestions on how to handle that ... or should it be left to karma, stretching and clean living? Daremo - 2006-03-03 2:54 PM No ..... because usually not every team hits there goals. Look at the run challenge .... I think only those cooky Canadians actually hit 100%, everyone else was under ..... The Jan. swim challenge was a fluke, it had never happened before. |
2006-03-03 2:03 PM in reply to: #360256 |
Master 1641 Seattle, California | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Daremo - 2006-03-03 11:54 AM No ..... because usually not every team hits there goals. Look at the run challenge .... I think only those cooky Canadians actually hit 100%, everyone else was under ..... The Jan. swim challenge was a fluke, it had never happened before. We maybe cooky, but we delivered a solid A** kicking to our southern neighbours, and we'll do it again Can we begin the smack talk? |
2006-03-03 2:05 PM in reply to: #360274 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization huengsolo - 2006-03-03 3:02 PM .... it be left to karma, stretching and clean living ........ |
2006-03-03 2:12 PM in reply to: #360278 |
Master 1641 Seattle, California | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Daremo - 2006-03-03 12:05 PM huengsolo - 2006-03-03 3:02 PM .... it be left to karma, stretching and clean living ........ Works for me, unless someone gets injured to the point that they are out for the month. If they have to reduce volume their progess should stay in. If they are done for the month before say the 25th then their stats come off the final tally |
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2006-03-03 8:05 PM in reply to: #360287 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Global - 2006-03-03 3:12 PM Daremo - 2006-03-03 12:05 PM huengsolo - 2006-03-03 3:02 PM .... it be left to karma, stretching and clean living ........ Works for me, unless someone gets injured to the point that they are out for the month. If they have to reduce volume their progess should stay in. If they are done for the month before say the 25th then their stats come off the final tally Just making sure I am picking up what you are putting down ... Are you saying that if they are injured, then it is okay to reduce the volume of their goal ... ... or ... Are you saying that if they are injured, then it is karms, bad stretching and too much fried food -- and too bad, so sad b/c their volume goal stays the same? Again, either way ... |
2006-03-03 8:10 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization If someone gets hurt and needs to revise their goal at that point, then I certainly don't have a problem with that. If someone is too injured/sick to complete their goal and in that particular case, they are not going to really be able to do more for the month, then I wouldn't have a problem with them being "removed" from the challenge. I am making the assumption, trusting in the honesty of my fellow members, that no one would use that excuse unless they really needed to. |
2006-03-04 10:35 AM in reply to: #360572 |
Veteran 244 Ida, Michigan | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I say keep it simple. If someone suffers a major injury or illness, they can revise their goal or asked to be removed from the challenge; otherwise goals are firm. We can leave it up to the honor system for determining what is and is not a major injury or illness. --Craig |
2006-03-04 11:30 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Master 2033 | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization I like the same rules as the run challenge. Nothing over 100% counts, and base it on percentage of goal attained and the team average. in that situation the size of the goal doesn't matter and neither does the size of the team. I also have No issue with being able to drop a member that suffers a severe injury. |
2006-03-04 12:36 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Happy Saturday folks! Just got back from a 10k (got a PB!!!) and quickly checking-in ... good comments all. Will make the changes re: goal quantification and injury goal reduction based on comments + post team rosters w/goals later tonight. (It is too beautiful in GA today to be in front of a computer!) Now go out there and RIDE SOME!!! |
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2006-03-05 6:50 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Veteran 244 Ida, Michigan | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization huengsolo - 2006-03-03 8:24 AM Lastly, final rosters with team members and their associated goals should be posted to this thread on Sunday. Results should be posted to a thread to be created Monday morning entitled something along the lines of "March Madness Weekly Results". This is the Big 10 Team.
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2006-03-05 8:05 AM in reply to: #359697 |
Extreme Veteran 466 | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Big East team: isis54 4 hrs D.Z. 5 hrs EmilyG 5 hrs jpcan 5.5 hrs tri again 7 hrs Celeb ithil 8 hrs pjostack 8.5 hrs TriMom217 9 hrs PollyC 10 hrs kleinrider 11 hrs oceanannie 11.67 hrs geoffs 12 hrs KathyG 12 hrs lobstergirl 12 hrs Jlee 15 hrs stone 16 hrs TypeA Girl Pilot 18 hrs max 31 hrs MAtriMom 100 miles danielle860 140 miles mperdue 200 miles xterratri 250 miles exor 260 miles CptnJackSparrow 275 miles camy 300 miles |
2006-03-05 6:46 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Here's the Big 12 team (sent via PM): Originally written by speedball (2006-03-04 9:44 PM) OK Here are the goals for the Big 12 Team Shawn Barr - 7 hours Lara - 8 hours Parkerr815 - 5 hours ott13979 - 400 minutes Claire Allen - 8 hours daustino - 12 hours kpallen - 12 hours tkelsey - 12 hours pakman - 8 hours Ed Downey - 18 hours speedball - 18 hours apw0397 - 12 hours Thanks!
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2006-03-05 6:49 PM in reply to: #359697 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: March Team Meeting - Rule Finalization Here's the ACC team, roster + goals sent via PM: Originally written by Daremo (2006-03-03 5:02 PM) Brian, here's my team. Should be the final group/numbers: AlBearAngel - 160 miles ekl26 - 25 hours
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