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Subject: If you cut federal spending by 20% across the board on "Day 1"
Wouldn't that mean that almost a million federal employees would be unemployed the next day?


2012-11-05 7:41 AM
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No.

2012-11-05 7:53 AM
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would never happen.  even if it did, fed agencies would cut contract dollars and contract employees first.  then look to getting rid of employees.  20 percent would be a major hit on the economy though.  I would have no problem with cuts across the board that maybe would finish out at 20 percent after a decade or longer.  But to go in and make that type of reduction all at once would be foolish.
2012-11-05 7:57 AM
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Federal budgets could probably be cut by 20% simply by changing the rules on how cost centers get their budget for the following year.

 

I remember when I was in the Navy that we'd be going on spending sprees as the end of the fiscal year approached because the gov't has the awesome notion that if you didn't need the money this year, then you don't need it for next year and thus your budget gets slashed.   So, whether you need the money or not, every cost center spends like crazy to use up their budget around that time.  The level of waste that is just systemically ingrained is kinda crazy.

 

Wouldn't that mean that almost a million federal employees would be unemployed the next day

If the gov't can run effectively with a million fewer employees, then we've got a million too many employed as it is, so aside from the impact on unemployment numbers, I see very little reason to not do that, anyway.  The gov't should be building the economy, not acting as a surrogate employer because they cannot figure out how to.

2012-11-05 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: If you cut federal spending by 20% across the board on "Day 1"
cgregg - 2012-11-05 8:57 AM

If the gov't can run effectively with a million fewer employees, then we've got a million too many employed as it is, so aside from the impact on unemployment numbers, I see very little reason to not do that, anyway.  The gov't should be building the economy, not acting as a surrogate employer because they cannot figure out how to.

Well said.  Look at Caterpillar.  During the start of the downturn they announced they were laying off 200,000 employees.  You do not go from needing 200,000 people to NOT needing 200,000 people overnight.  You were fat and happy and overstaffed.  Then things got tight and you realized, wait... I don't need all these people.

That being said they did over compensate and have hired some back.  But the point remains.

ETA: I'm not supporting a 20% across the board cut.  Just stating that government is indeed over bloated.



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2012-11-05 8:17 AM
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The ripple effect would destroy the economy. You'd have layoffs across the board, everything from military suppliers to universities to travel agencies. It would be interesting to find out what percentage of the workforce is indirectly dependent on federal expenditure.

Wow, just found the answer: Fuller testimony on sequestration

Type of Job LossDODNon---DOD AgenciesTotal Job Losses
    
Direct Job Loss325,693420,529746,222
Federal Jobs48,147229,116277,263
Contractor Jobs277,546191,413468,959
Indirect Job Losses*282,426150,552432,978
Induced Job Losses**482,240476,268958,508
Total Job Losses1,090,3591,047,3492,137,708


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2012-11-05 8:41 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-05 9:17 AM

The ripple effect would destroy the economy. You'd have layoffs across the board, everything from military suppliers to universities to travel agencies. It would be interesting to find out what percentage of the workforce is indirectly dependent on federal expenditure.

Wow, just found the answer: Fuller testimony on sequestration

Type of Job LossDODNon---DOD AgenciesTotal Job Losses
    
Direct Job Loss325,693420,529746,222
Federal Jobs48,147229,116277,263
Contractor Jobs277,546191,413468,959
Indirect Job Losses*282,426150,552432,978
Induced Job Losses**482,240476,268958,508
Total Job Losses1,090,3591,047,3492,137,708

 

 

Which is why it'd need a Methadone type graduated withdrawal instead of a cold-turkey correction.

It'll never happen, however.

2012-11-05 9:54 AM
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Nobody does anything in Washington in one day... they hold a press conference and sign a piece of paper that that puts changes into effect after the next election. You get to claim you did something during the campaign, but you do not have to answer for problems it caused. Obama may have not had any experience, but he sure learned that fast.

 

I have zero problems with 5% cuts across the board every year for 4 years.... with zero increases in spending so it isn't just another "projected" shell game.

2012-11-05 10:07 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-05 10:54 AM

Nobody does anything in Washington in one day... they hold a press conference and sign a piece of paper that that puts changes into effect after the next election. You get to claim you did something during the campaign, but you do not have to answer for problems it caused. Obama may have not had any experience, but he sure learned that fast.

 

I have zero problems with 5% cuts across the board every year for 4 years.... with zero increases in spending so it isn't just another "projected" shell game.

FIFY

2012-11-05 10:08 AM
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much more accurate.
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