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2012-11-10 11:24 PM

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Subject: AR15 build

So the Assault Gun thread got me to thinking about building an AR15.

I really don't know the first place to start, well I guess I could Google it or go to YouTube but thought I'd start here and see what others suggest to do and what to watch out for or avoid.

Thanks in advance.



2012-11-11 8:53 AM
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Hopefully abqtj will chime in here. I'm interested as well. AR or an AK variant of some sort. Both if the price is right!
2012-11-11 9:51 AM
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ar15.com is a good forum as a resource

midwayusa.com and palmettostatearmory.com have pretty decent online prices for parts.

I got my lower from here: http://www.sundevilmfg.com/pricelist.php But they've gone up since I built, well everyone has (this was around '05 I think). I think I paid around $100-$125 for my lower.

2012-11-11 10:07 AM
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 Thanks Steve. I'll dig around those sites and see what I can come up with.
2012-11-11 10:33 AM
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There are many possibilities for the AR-series firearms. Figure out what you'll use it for and what you'll need to accomplish that.  I won't comment much on the upper receiver assembly because I buy those pre-assembled so that I don't have to deal with barreling the receiver. 

The lower isn't too bad. Find a quality stripped-lower and pick up a parts kit. Do you want a regular trigger or a match trigger? When I built one of mine I found a good lower from a reputable company, a DPMS parts kit, and I don't remember what brand match trigger. The parts kit had an "exploded view" of a lower, and I used that as my guide for assembling the whole thing. I just swapped the DPMS trigger parts for the match parts. I ordered a POF piston upper (they were one of the very few companies with the piston option at the time) and it was cake.

Figure out what caliber you want and how much work you're willing to do. The lower isn't difficult to put together, just a touch challenging with a couple of the springs and detent pins. I've not assembled an upper from scratch, so I don't know how difficult that is. I'm not comfortable setting head space and don't have the right tools for barreling an action, so I just pay the extra to order one already put together.

I hope that helps. Not as much technical information as you might have been looking for, but that's available from so many sources more qualified than I that I figured I'd just provide an overview of what I experienced.

2012-11-11 10:50 AM
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I picked up my first AR15 about 2 months ago (saying first because there *could* be more in my future...)

I was looking pretty hard at complete set ups, top of my list for a complete one was Daniel's Defense. There are cheaper and more expense options out there for sure but DD is really a great starting point. I shopped around locally quite a bit and online and talked to folks that have ARs... ended up getting a used (hardly, had like 60 rounds thru it) one locally off a friend of a friend. LMT complete upper matched to a Rock River lower. Magpul furniture, some better trigger guard that I don't remember what it is, decent sights, couple of magazines, about 60 rounds, grip, zero'ing targets, and a few other bits. End up paying $1,000 cash with no tax and no transfer fee (how private sales work in my state).

You could check http://www.armslist.comor other sites for local sales. Most ARs are range queens look nearly new ever after years of use. You might also be able to get some extra bits buying used.

I tried a few other set ups before I got the LMT + Rock River combo and they felt a bit looser. Played with some Colts and Bushmaster set ups too, very nice. All of the military spec stuff is interchangeable, makes being able to try out other people's uppers and lowers easy and see what you notice for difference. For my first AR I went all mil spec to keep things common and simple.

I also looked into different set ups, like 300 ACC Blackout. The idea of going subsonic and suppressed is really cool (to me). Jumps the price way up though, it's $1,000 for a good suppressor and 6 to 12 months background check in my state. I might kick off the back ground check process in the near future and then get something like a bolt action hunting/target rifle with a few "tactical" bits to take a suppressor and also accept what ever optics I end up on the AR.

And I thought my bike habit was bad... We have an outdoor range 2 miles from us, so I can head to the range often and there are local indoor ones that will allow .223/5.56 in them, so lots of places to go.

When you get your AR run it a bit wet, they seem to like a bit of oil in them. I've been using both steel and copper cased rounds, have had no issues, the extractor on my is pretty strong and the steel cases fly out. Some ranges are cooper only, so you need to check on that.

You can find how to guides online, there are some pretty good YouTube videos out there. Gives you a chance to learn how to operate, break down, and clean before you stumble into figuring it out on your own.


2012-11-11 5:08 PM
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I second ar15.com as they have a whole section dedicated to building.  Also, I think cheaper than dirt has a video series you can check out.
2012-11-11 6:57 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the responses.

I will check out the web sites, especially the ar15.com. Looks like there as many options to this as there are to cycling if not more...... I guess I'll get an edumacation on this. It'll probably be a slow work in progress. For the most part, it doesn't look like there are a lot of pricy specialty tools.

A couple of questions 1. Barreling an action, not sure what this refers to. 2. the GF is a leftie and likes to shoot, what are some of the things that can be done to make it more ambidextrous? 3. Any opinions on the Black Rain lower, it looked kinda cool.

Thanks again and have a great week everyone.

Oh, as far as what my intentions are would be mainly to go to the desert and shoot. I guess I'll need a sling so I can throw it over my back while I ride my bike out to the desert.

2012-11-11 7:01 PM
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Budsgunshop.com is a great place to purchase (no, I don't work there).  My preference is to stay away from plastic (polymer) lowers.  For fun shooting, you can get a lower that will take a 5.56/223 and a .22 cal uppers so you can save money with shooting. 

 

2012-11-12 8:35 AM
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TeamAngel - 2012-11-11 7:10 PM

Budsgunshop.com is a great place to purchase (no, I don't work there).  My preference is to stay away from plastic (polymer) lowers.  For fun shooting, you can get a lower that will take a 5.56/223 and a .22 cal uppers so you can save money with shooting. 

 

I've purchased some items from Buds, good place, fast shipping, low prices good customer service. I hadn't thought about a polymer lower. hmmmmm



2012-11-13 1:24 PM
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The bolt carrier group is important.. there are several types..
good video to watch..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjq4uDLTsbY

to ensure you get mil-spec over commercial stuff. though similar parts, there is a difference.

oh yeah... have fun..

As for conversion to .22. doable.. but after parts upper and other small changes. you bought a new baby ar (.22) sig sauer and smith and wesson makes one for 459-479. just saying.. i have the s&w mp15-22.. it is a blast to shoot. very cheap to shoot too.. 550 rounds 17 bucks.

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2012-11-13 1:41 PM
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I'll second ar15.com as a good resource on building an AR.  There should be several threads on there with step by step details.

As RBesecke said, decide what you plan on using it for before building.  NRA or CMP competition has specific rules on the external configuration that needs to be adhered to.  Internal mods such as heavy barrel (under the handguard), competition trigger and free floated barrel (special handguard) are allowed.

There are tons of different stocks, handguards and sights that can be used for different specialty builds.  Research what will work for your purpose so you're not buying anything twice.

Building is very straight forward.  The stripped lower receiver is the part that needs to be purchased/transferred through an FFL.  Everything else you can buy yourself.  Take your time and you shouldn't have any problems.

Headspace is determined by the bolt and barrel extension combination, no reaming or specialty tools involved for building an AR upper. (other than the barrel wrench)  It is worth picking up a set of go/no-go gauges to verify the parts are in compliance.(I've never personally run into a mismatch, but I still check)

2012-11-13 1:52 PM
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I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

2012-11-13 2:49 PM
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Big Appa - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

Where did you get a lower?  I didn't think you could just order them online.

2012-11-13 2:56 PM
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Kido - 2012-11-13 12:49 PM
Big Appa - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

Where did you get a lower?  I didn't think you could just order them online.

You can buy an assembled lower in NV from most stores from $150 up. I had to buy mine then build the trigger group but thats because I'm in CA.



2012-11-13 3:15 PM
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Big Appa - 2012-11-13 12:56 PM
Kido - 2012-11-13 12:49 PM
Big Appa - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

Where did you get a lower?  I didn't think you could just order them online.

You can buy an assembled lower in NV from most stores from $150 up. I had to buy mine then build the trigger group but thats because I'm in CA.

Well yeah.  I can get a lower just down the street.  I misunderstood and though you got one that web site...

2012-11-13 3:16 PM
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This thread got me thinking.  Maybe a winter project!
2012-11-13 3:17 PM
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Kido - 2012-11-13 1:15 PM
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Kido - 2012-11-13 12:49 PM
Big Appa - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

Where did you get a lower?  I didn't think you could just order them online.

You can buy an assembled lower in NV from most stores from $150 up. I had to buy mine then build the trigger group but thats because I'm in CA.

Well yeah.  I can get a lower just down the street.  I misunderstood and though you got one that web site...

The AR15.com site is more of a message board has has very good "how to" stuff on there. I did buy the DPSM trigger group from online because 6 years ago there was no local places that sold them here.

2012-11-13 9:20 PM
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Kido - 2012-11-13 1:49 PM
Big Appa - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

I built my AR from parts and I used AR15.com. What you have to decide is do you want to piece it together say like and upper, lower, stock or do you really want to build it and install the barrel, put together the bolt, and build the trigger group.

It is now cheaper to just buy the upper and lower separately but I liked building it because now I know how everything works. The tools you will need besides the basics are a AR wrench, upper holder, and a torque wrench.

Where did you get a lower?  I didn't think you could just order them online.

 

You certainly can order lowers online and have them shipped. They just have to be shipped to an FFL for proper transfer. Search your area for FFL people and pay them the fee (usually around $20). 

2012-11-17 9:35 AM
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Just found this and was wondering what ya all thought of the polymer lower?

I think the 5.56 has a lot more pressure than most pistols with the same material. I'm inclinded to think it's not a bad way to go for the budget conscious.



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Cartridge pressure won't have any real impact on the lower receiver, that is all contained within the bolt/barrel extension connection.  My primary concern with polymer lowers is the durability of the holes where the pins for the trigger group are installed.  I haven't personally used them though so it may be a non-issue.
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crusevegas - 2012-11-17 8:35 AM

Just found this and was wondering what ya all thought of the polymer lower?

I think the 5.56 has a lot more pressure than most pistols with the same material. I'm inclinded to think it's not a bad way to go for the budget conscious.

 

$40 one from PSA now

2012-11-21 12:47 PM
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2012-11-21 3:54 PM
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So what is the story with building your own? Is it just like everything else... DIY, use the parts you want... or is it cheaper, or what?
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