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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, I'm officially out until all the fiscal cliff volatility subsides. I've been making a killing with diagonal and calendar spreads the last several months with the market being fairly flat, but I think things are gonna get crazy the next several weeks. What are you guys doing? Hunkering down and riding it out, hedging a big drop, or cashing out? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Cashed out a few weeks ago to let the volatility subside. I was in homebuilders. STUPID move. Cashed out way too early. I set limit orders to buy on a big drop. going to have to adjsut them up a little. sticking with homebuilders though. They've made me a BUNCH of money this year. I'm thinking we're going over the cliff for like a week. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have a diverse portfolio. Of the stocks that I own, 80% are in it for the long-haul. 20% I trade inside of 6 months. I've sold a bunch before Thanksgiving when they were high and I plan to buy a bunch tomorrow as the uncertainty has driven things down. I'll then ride it out over the cliff or whatever happens. One of my favorites has been Hovnanian (HOV). Homebuilder. A solid company just waiting for the housing market to recover. I bought at $1.60 and in just 6 months, she's up to $7. 430% increase? Not bad! I'm sure it'll drop over the cliff, but it'll recover soon enough.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have been tracking my returns for the past decade and I have always beat the S&P. Until this year. I've gone short on several indexes...which has not done me any favors this year. I know stocks have performed well in 2012...I just can't see what has supported that. Other than the fed artifically inflating the market with cheap money. I guess I shouldn't have gone againist the trend as it has cost me this year. Logic tells me to get out...but I've been saying that all year. I'm going to sell one of my losers before the end of the year but other than that I am staying in. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Funny this thread came up. I'm actually doing some math and thinking right now. I'm looking to find a little more liquidity in my holdings and am looking to close out a couple of accounts that have been sitting relatively idle for the past 4 years. The question is whether I exit now and pay the taxes in a few months - or if I liquidate January 2nd then defer taxes for approximately 15 months? (plus, pretty sure my tax rate will be higher in 2013 - but not sure if they higher tax rate justifies the 12 months of deferred taxes) like I said - I'm doing a bunch of math right now and sitting currently on the fence. my hope is that most of the volatility has already been factored into the market and the next 7 days will be relatively banal. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm sitting here wishing I'd sold my apple stock when it hit 700...so I could have reinvested it all right now and gotten more shares. Now I am just going to sit on it and wait...the stock will go up once we figure out all this stupid cliff nonsense...plus if I managed to deploy one of the next two years I can sell the stock that year and pay WAY less taxes on it...possibly none. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm oh so tempted to jump in and go short on the index ETF's because I think things will get ugly in the next few weeks, but if I do I can all but guarantee the Dow will go up 1000 points in about 3 days. I have a 100% track record of picking the wrong direction of the stock market every time, so I'll be sure and let you guys know if I jump in. It will be a great opportunity to make money in the opposite direction for you. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() We are not changing anything dramatically: Slightly underweighting US equities and to a larger extent bonds, and overweighting emerging market equities and bonds, especially high grade corporate bonds. I am not holding or trading any individual stocks at the moment. Cash position is about 5% higher than normal. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() All I'm playing with is my 401k, which isn't much at my age. I've been expecting everything to tank for the last few months and so I've reduced my exposure as much as possible. I've done fairly well this year, sitting at 16% for the year. I do wish I had more options in my 401k though. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey, anyone know what's going on with the tech sector overall? it's been diving as of late, but if you look around, tech and computer items are the biggest sellers. Phones are flying off the shelves, you can't keep tablets in stock, all these items have peripherals that will have to be bought, etc......... but the sector as a whole is really taking it in the shorts. Can anyone shed any light on the matter? I'm having a hard time figuring it out??????????? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-12-27 3:00 PM Hey, anyone know what's going on with the tech sector overall? it's been diving as of late, but if you look around, tech and computer items are the biggest sellers. Phones are flying off the shelves, you can't keep tablets in stock, all these items have peripherals that will have to be bought, etc......... but the sector as a whole is really taking it in the shorts. Can anyone shed any light on the matter? I'm having a hard time figuring it out??????????? I'm the furthest thing from an expert in the area but I think it's about expectations. The market had high holiday sales expectations baked into the tech stock prices, so when the numbers come in that aren't quite what they were expecting the stock gets punished. So, even though sales are huge, they're not huge enough to keep up with the expectations. Hope that makes sense. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-12-26 4:00 PM Hey, anyone know what's going on with the tech sector overall? it's been diving as of late, but if you look around, tech and computer items are the biggest sellers. Phones are flying off the shelves, you can't keep tablets in stock, all these items have peripherals that will have to be bought, etc......... but the sector as a whole is really taking it in the shorts. Can anyone shed any light on the matter? I'm having a hard time figuring it out??????????? Fund managers locking in their gains for the end of the year? |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have been getting into option trading towards the end of this year, but due to the fiscal cliff I have not put any really money into, only option trading on paper. I am waiting for the storm to settle before I put real money into it. All regular money is out except for 'mo' which has held steady through everything for the last 4 years. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Had MO, it was AWESOME..... til last year. That's when I moved out. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 2012 was pretty flat on equity returns for me, very decent on bonds. Allocations going into 2013 are about 30% bonds, 20% equity, 50% cash. Thinking no change in bond allocation for 2013. Current equity holding is Templeton Asia as think China is cheap and won't be as bad as some think. Japan should benefit from new government and weaker JPY. US I hold SDS (negative SPX X2) but am short calls against it. Thinking theres downside but it could be shortlived. Hopefully if there's an early in the year sell off it will provide an opportunity to reduce cash and buy into stuff like cemex, dupont, Alcoa, Martin Marietta, Intel, Fedex, Bank America, Air Canada. Favor entries via short puts, or once in writing calls against for yield enhancement. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-12-27 10:00 PM Hey, anyone know what's going on with the tech sector overall? it's been diving as of late, but if you look around, tech and computer items are the biggest sellers. Phones are flying off the shelves, you can't keep tablets in stock, all these items have peripherals that will have to be bought, etc......... but the sector as a whole is really taking it in the shorts. Can anyone shed any light on the matter? I'm having a hard time figuring it out??????????? As AAPL goes so goes the rest of the tech sector. Kind of basic but kind of true these days. As AAPL has hit the skids so has eveything else tech related. On top of that expectations for year end gizmo sales were too high and resulted in disappointment. Tech these days is very app driven. Apps in general have kind of a short life span, fickle end users, and subject to low entry barriers. Tech not my favorite sector these days. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That makes sense. FYI, Cemex is fundamentally TERRIBLE , but similar to what you said about AAPL, it will benefit from a sector bounce. And it's cheap. Not a stick to buy if you want to own a part of a company though. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-12-28 1:21 PM That makes sense. FYI, Cemex is fundamentally TERRIBLE , but similar to what you said about AAPL, it will benefit from a sector bounce. And it's cheap. Not a stick to buy if you want to own a part of a company though. I know. Cemex has issues for sure. There was just a big cement conference in Miami a couple weeks ago. Outlook for the next 1 to 3 to 5 years was pretty positive all things considered. Problem is accessability. Cemex is easily playable in the US markets where as the other cartel memers are trickier to play if you don't have access to european markets. So its kind of Cemex as in industry proxy. That said its gone from 3 to 10 over the last year. Thinking 7.50ish would be a worthwhile entry somehow if given the chance. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Interesting, actually the Miami intercem is partially why I'm confident with home builders. I've been in HW, PHM, MHO for the last year +. I don't see an end to ride just yet. HW looks like a $11 stock to me at an $8 price. That's the one I'm most fickle on though. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was in XHB for a while. Did a great job of catching 15% of a 40% move.... We might actually know a few of the same people in the cement mafia. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gr33n - 2012-12-28 8:00 AM I was in XHB for a while. Did a great job of catching 15% of a 40% move.... We might actually know a few of the same people in the cement mafia. XHB, hmmmmmm...... That's definitely worth a look. Quite possible we might know a few of the same people. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-12-27 9:31 PMHad MO, it was AWESOME..... til last year. That's when I moved out. Actually, Altria has done quite well. Not a home run stock but steady...even during bad times. Over a 5 percent dividend! I've been a holder since well before the split from Kraft. Own PM as well. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2012-12-28 8:27 AM jgaither - 2012-12-27 9:31 PMHad MO, it was AWESOME..... til last year. That's when I moved out. Actually, Altria has done quite well. Not a home run stock but steady...even during bad times. Over a 5 percent dividend! I've been a holder since well before the split from Kraft. Own PM as well.Sorry I didn't mean to insinuate it was bad in any way. You're exactly right, it has been solid and dependable. I bought it at $16 back at the end of 08 I think for the exact same reason you outlined. It's a solid safe stock with a good dividend. When I sold it it had stalled out at $34 range and I saw some opportunity for a better return elsewhere, that's all I meant. |