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2013-01-09 2:08 PM

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As predicted King Obama is considering a royal proclamation: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-determined-act-against-gun-violence-biden-164128551.html

Simple question - does the constitution grant him such powers?



2013-01-09 2:12 PM
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This'll get pretty ugly before it's over.

2013-01-09 2:12 PM
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Doubt this will happen and right now it's all just speculation and Chicken Little talk.

2013-01-09 2:19 PM
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I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.
2013-01-09 2:22 PM
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riltri - 2013-01-09 3:08 PM

Simple question - does the constitution grant him such powers?

Wouldn't we have to know what powers he intends to exercise?

 

 

2013-01-09 2:23 PM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.



2013-01-09 2:24 PM
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riltri - 2013-01-09 3:08 PM

As predicted King Obama is considering a royal proclamation: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-determined-act-against-gun-violence-biden-164128551.html

Simple question - does the constitution grant him such powers?

The answer is.....who knows!  It will be done under the auspices of an executive order.  Executive orders have a long history in our country, and along with that long history, an even lengthier debate.  The Constitutionality of Executive Orders has at various times in our nations history come under a great deal of question regarding their constitutionality.

Modern executive orders get fuzzy as their original purpose was to allow the president to smoothly handle what occurrs in the executive branch.  However, the problem or questions arise in instances when it appears, or can be argued that the executive order infringes upon the powers reserved for Congress.  (You know that pesky part of the Constitution where only COngress has the authority to pass laws)

So is it legal...maybe, maybe not depends on how far it goes.

2013-01-09 2:25 PM
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Big Appa - 2013-01-09 12:23 PM

crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.

I hope you are right.

On another note, I wish our politicians were as concerned & had the same amount of urgency about controlling spending as they are about controlling guns?

2013-01-09 2:49 PM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-10 7:25 AM
Big Appa - 2013-01-09 12:23 PM

crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.

I hope you are right.

On another note, I wish our politicians were as concerned & had the same amount of urgency about controlling spending as they are about controlling guns?

well a cynical or conspiracy theory view is that they are focussing the media and the publics attention on gun control coz then people aren't worried or interested in such trivial matters as fiscal cliffs etc
2013-01-09 3:07 PM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-10 7:25 AM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.

I hope you are right.

On another note, I wish our politicians were as concerned & had the same amount of urgency about controlling spending as they are about controlling guns?

well a cynical or conspiracy theory view is that they are focussing the media and the publics attention on gun control coz then people aren't worried or interested in such trivial matters as fiscal cliffs etc

 

Well I'm pretty sure they would not do ,,,,,,,,,, oh,,,,, wait, a shiny lil thing ,,,,, never mind,,,,, something just,,,,,,,,, oh,,,,,  shiny thing......

2013-01-09 3:08 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-01-09 3:12 PM

This'll get pretty ugly before it's over.

Very ugly.

While I agree that it's still speculation I could see them using the Bush era "Homeland Security Presidential Directive" cover for trying this. 



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2013-01-09 3:33 PM
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AcesFull - 2013-01-09 4:09 PM

here is a list of executive orders by Bush

here is a list of executive orders by Clinton

Nothing new here from "King Obama."  Of course, we could wait to see what he actually does before villifying him, but that would just be a waste of time and actual thought processes, huh?

Why would we want to do that?  Speculation and blame is more fun.

 

2013-01-09 4:16 PM
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You forgot to include Executive Order 9066.
2013-01-09 6:09 PM
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First of all...I hate Obama.  Why people think he's great is way beyond me. 

That being said...this is a news story with no actual real information, being used to, in true media fashion, scare people.  I won't get angry until something is actually done, but seeing as he's from IL, with the strictest gun laws which add to the highest murder rate in the country, I can't say that I'm optomistic. 

2013-01-09 7:29 PM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 3:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

Was that supposed to be in red sarc font...or do you really believe he hates the United States and its citizens?  If so, wow, just wow.



2013-01-09 7:37 PM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.

I hope you are right.

On another note, I wish our politicians were as concerned & had the same amount of urgency about controlling spending as they are about controlling guns?

well a cynical or conspiracy theory view is that they are focussing the media and the publics attention on gun control coz then people aren't worried or interested in such trivial matters as fiscal cliffs etc

I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, but I do think it's a serious lack of prioritization.  The number 1 issue in the 2008 election was the economy.  What did Obama do?  Burn all his political capital and a super majority on healthcare all while the economy stagnates.

This time around, the number one issue is the economy.  Now, he's going to burn all of his political capital on gun control and immigration.  I suspect he will do absolutely nothing to address the economy again.

2013-01-10 6:43 AM
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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 3:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

Was that supposed to be in red sarc font...or do you really believe he hates the United States and its citizens?  If so, wow, just wow.

I won't say  agree that he "hates the US" however I do believe that his vision of the "perfect" US is vastly different than the current state of the country, and that he wants to change things to better fit his vision of what we "should be" as a society.

I can see how some people would call that hate.

2013-01-10 7:00 AM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2013-01-09 7:29 PM

crusevegas - 2013-01-09 3:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

Was that supposed to be in red sarc font...or do you really believe he hates the United States and its citizens?  If so, wow, just wow.

Why would you want to "fundamentally transform" something you love or cherish?

2013-01-10 7:26 AM
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The imperialistic presidents started with Nixon and just keep getting better and better. One world government is already in our future and that means say goodbye to our guns at some point. On a side note Biden is just nuts isn't he?

Yeah I know it's just a conspiracy theory...
2013-01-10 7:28 AM
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I seem to recall several Obama supporters going on and on last year before the election about how Obama doesn't want to take away our guns.  lol


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AcesFull - 2013-01-09 4:09 PM

here is a list of executive orders by Bush

here is a list of executive orders by Clinton

Nothing new here from "King Obama."  Of course, we could wait to see what he actually does before villifying him, but that would just be a waste of time and actual thought processes, huh?

It's not a matter of if it's new or not, it's not.  The use of executive orders date back to the 1800's.  The question is are they, any of them, Constitutional?

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crusevegas - 2013-01-09 12:19 PM I think you are underestimating his contempt for this country and us as citizens.

I think you are underestimating his fear to rock the boat or try for something and have it fail or be wrong. Going off his past votes I don't think he will do anything and leave it for other people to do.

I hope you are right.

On another note, I wish our politicians were as concerned & had the same amount of urgency about controlling spending as they are about controlling guns?

well a cynical or conspiracy theory view is that they are focussing the media and the publics attention on gun control coz then people aren't worried or interested in such trivial matters as fiscal cliffs etc

I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, but I do think it's a serious lack of prioritization.  The number 1 issue in the 2008 election was the economy.  What did Obama do?  Burn all his political capital and a super majority on healthcare all while the economy stagnates.

This time around, the number one issue is the economy.  Now, he's going to burn all of his political capital on gun control and immigration.  I suspect he will do absolutely nothing to address the economy again.

Right, and the GOP controlled congress has done nothing but deal with jobs, jobs, jobs.  Glad they have done that instead of waste their time on so many social issue bills. 

2013-01-10 8:22 AM
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Never forget.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.  Indeed I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order."
         --- Adolf Hitler

Note: I am in no way condemning our POTUS as a Nazi.  The perspective and possibility of evil on a much larger scale is dismissed in our country as impossible.  But we are young.



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pga_mike - 2013-01-10 9:22 AM

Never forget.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.  Indeed I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order."
         --- Adolf Hitler

Note: I am in no way condemning our POTUS as a Nazi.  The perspective and possibility of evil on a much larger scale is dismissed in our country as impossible.  But we are young.



To equate the current gun debate to Nazi Germany is a distraction and a joke. Obama, and most rational Americans, are not calling for a ban on private gun ownership.

We as Americans are absolutely allowed to determine limits on individual Constitutional rights (when does free speech become slander? when does freedom of the press become libelous? when does your right to the pursuit of happiness become a threat to the greater good and must be limited?) This is not un-American - it is the beauty of our democracy.

I hope we can agree that as Americans, we have a Constitutional and moral right to debate where to draw the line as to which types of arms are appropriate for citizens to own. Even the NRA isn't calling for the 1934 law prohibiting ownership of fully automatic weapons to be overturned, nor are we saying our "right" to own arms like bazookas, tanks, nukes, etc. is being "infringed." As technology advances in the lethality of guns as well as the abiltity to make them safer for owners, we absolutely must be able to debate that.
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