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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() In preparation for tonight, I bring you two articles that I read this morning. First, a serious one that listed 10 things the author wished the President would say. I had to cut and paste because it comes from a site that requires a subscription. Discuss. 1. To Americans under 18: Kids, we love you, but you need to know a few things. First, you will not be retiring at 65. Your Social Security benefits will not be kicking in until you are 70; possibly until you are 72. We won't have the courage to make this change now, so it is going to come a little later in your lives -- but plan accordingly. We can't afford to do otherwise. 2. To gun owners: You guys are absolutely right. There's precious little new regulations are going to do to reduce crime if there are already 300 million guns in circulation. That's why we have to take those guns out of circulation. We're probably not going to come into your homes to get them -- although we should. So here's what we're going to have to do: We're going to outlaw your carrying them in public, trafficking them, and using them in a crime. Again, we're not going to do this now. It'll take a few more horrific tragedies to get there. But rest assured, we'll get there. Guns really are the problem and getting rid of guns is the only way to solve it. 3. To his fellow politicians: We need to clean up our act. Money is the problem. I have made things worse. I led the way in 2008 by opting out of federal matching funds. I have paid off donors with political appointments like an old time Tammany Hall pol. I have also watched as K Street money has bought and sold legislation, whole legislators, and big chunks of America's future. The only way to stop this is getting money out of politics. That's why we're going to move to 100 percent federally funded elections and 90-day campaigns, and if it takes a constitutional amendment to get it done, then so be it. (But I'll also work on rebalancing the Supreme Court every chance I get.) 4. To Congress: Incivility and obstruction aren't just ugly, they are a violation of our oaths of office. So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to invite congressional leaders to my house once a month for the remainder of my term for dinner. We're going to spend three hours in a room together. If we sit there in silence, so be it. But we owe it to the voters to make it a priority. And we're going to start by discussing how to undo those rules and procedures that exacerbate our differences -- from gerrymandering to the filibuster -- and make obstruction all too easy. 5. To the top brass in the Pentagon: The phony debate over cuts has to end. It is no longer possible to continue spending what we do on defense and to neglect not only our fiscal plight but the investments in infrastructure, education, technology, and health care that we so desperately need. Something has got to give, and the biggest discretionary pool of spending we have is defense. In organizations in trouble, 10 to 15 percent cuts in spending are normal, 20 percent not unheard of. That means you need to find me $100 billion a year for the next 10 years just to prove you understand the problem. It's there. We're creative enough to do it and maintain our national security. It is actually by pretending we can maintain the status quo that we put ourselves at greatest risk. 6. To the energy community: This is a moment of great opportunity and challenges. A new energy paradigm will make us energy independent and safer. It can help move us toward a healthier climate. But it will also require some candor and some big changes from all parties. Shale gas is a boon, but it also presents real environmental challenges that we must acknowledge and address. The gas boon should allow us to switch away from coal. The time to start is now. The coal can be exported but, to be honest, that doesn't help the planet very much in the long run. We need to phase out its use and, in the interim, embrace the cleanest available technologies. Efficiency is as big a part of this revolution as shale. We need to create new incentives to achieve it. And we are going to need to pay for it with a carbon tax. Even big energy companies realize this is coming. Let's stop pretending it's not and start leading the world again. 7. To American taxpayers: While we're being honest about taxes, take a deep breath and accept the inevitable. The only way to fix our fiscal problem is to cut defense and entitlements and raise taxes. And the most significant change to our tax policy that is coming almost certainly will be a value-added tax. Let's plan on it and use it to initiate a process by which we drastically simplify our ridiculous, loophole-ridden tax code. And let's throw in that carbon tax while we're at it, too. 8. To our allies in Israel: We are your friends. Friends tell the truth. Your world has been rocked by big changes, and since roughly the early 1980s you have been doing nothing to help yourselves adapt. Demographics now pose the ultimate challenge to the idea of a democratic Jewish state in the Middle East. You need to stop with the ridiculous, inflammatory settlement policies and recognize that the greatest guarantor of Israel's security is not the United States but a prospering Palestinian economy. Focus on making that happen -- on creating jobs and opportunities in the Palestinian territories -- and progress is possible. Oh, and we're going to be ramping down our involvement in the Middle East for a while. Like forever. Our rhetoric won't change. We won't completely disappear. But you've already seen the changes start to happen. We simply have neither the appetite nor the budget for more wars. 9. To our friends in the Palestinian territories, and to our enemies there: Clean up your act. Until you have a single government, a single agenda, and are willing to be serious, we're not getting involved. 10. To our terrorist enemies: We're going to keep coming for you. With drones. With Special Forces. With whatever it takes. We don't care about international law. We don't even care about our own law. You scared us. You scarred us. And no American leader can afford to drop his guard. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Second, humor: Tea Party Issues Scathing Rebuttal to State of Union Twelve Hours Before Speech
Edited by ScudRunner 2013-02-12 8:23 AM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Misses the mark on 1, 2 and 6. Meh about 4, 8, 9, and 10. Agree with 3, 5 and 7 in general. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ScudRunner - 2013-02-12 7:23 AM Second, humor: Tea Party Issues Scathing Rebuttal to State of Union Twelve Hours Before Speech
And that's just funny, I don't care who you are. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sounds pretty good to me except maybe for the 72 retirement age. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was going to make a statement about #2 and Constitutional rights, but it's futile. I just wonder if the premise was that ideas and the desemination of ideas are dangerous and thus we need to curtail the 1st Amendment, I wonder if people would be so willing, to give up their Constitutional Rights? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Personally, I think it should just be short and sweet. But then again, I'm an optimist
"We're all effed because the American people keep allowing us to steal from them and get away with it. We are starting to run out of ways to keep you okay with it however, so the end will not be pretty." |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Brock Samson - 2013-02-12 8:11 AM I was going to make a statement about #2 and Constitutional rights, but it's futile. I just wonder if the premise was that ideas and the desemination of ideas are dangerous and thus we need to curtail the 1st Amendment, I wonder if people would be so willing, to give up their Constitutional Rights? Isn't that sad? I especially like the idea of making it illegal to use a gun in a crime... hummm.... let that one marinate for a minute. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 10 is bizarre. The bit about not caring about international law means that you'll be acting like, err, terrorists. The biggest mistake you can make in the face of terrorism is be scared of it. If you allow that, they've won. As someone who faced the threat of the IRA for decades and now with Al Qaeda all over London one thing I will never let them do it scare me. They might take me one day but they won't have impacted my life, belief's or values in any way. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I saw this the other day and thought it was interesting. Nothing really political about it, just fun facts. I love the Federal Expenditures. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshR - 2013-02-12 10:24 AM Personally, I think it should just be short and sweet. But then again, I'm an optimist
"We're all effed because the American people keep allowing us to steal from them and get away with it. We are starting to run out of ways to keep you okay with it however, so the end will not be pretty." bread and circuses, my friend. It's all bread and circuses. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. I agree. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery. |
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![]() crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crusevegas - 2013-02-12 10:10 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. Completely disagree, but I certainly don't think any of the other pathetic waste's of taxpayers money are the ones to be deciding that. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ScudRunner - 2013-02-12 8:23 AM Second, humor: Tea Party Issues Scathing Rebuttal to State of Union Twelve Hours Before Speech
Don't know the sources but the transcripts of the speech come out before the speech so I can see how a rebuttal is written before the speech is delivered. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jackemy1 - 2013-02-12 9:17 AM ScudRunner - 2013-02-12 8:23 AM Second, humor: Tea Party Issues Scathing Rebuttal to State of Union Twelve Hours Before Speech
Don't know the sources but the transcripts of the speech come out before the speech so I can see how a rebuttal is written before the speech is delivered. Based on the fact that it is Borowitz, I would assume it is satire.
One the other hand, the Democrats have already released a rebuttal to the Republican rebuttal to the SOTU. Seriously.... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crusevegas - 2013-02-12 11:10 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. Many would argue that Bush didn't deserve any respect durning his later SotU addresses and you didn't see anyone disrespecting him during the delivery. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it. Edited by crowny2 2013-02-12 11:26 AM |
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![]() | ![]() crowny2 - 2013-02-12 11:26 AM crusevegas - 2013-02-12 11:10 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. Many would argue that Bush didn't deserve any respect durning his later SotU addresses and you didn't see anyone disrespecting him during the delivery. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it. Why not? It seems Obama has continued much of what Bush started. Are you saying that Obama doesn't deserve respect?
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() GomesBolt - 2013-02-12 11:34 AM Maybe you should pay attention to the last two sentences and not the first. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it.crowny2 - 2013-02-12 11:26 AM crusevegas - 2013-02-12 11:10 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. Many would argue that Bush didn't deserve any respect durning his later SotU addresses and you didn't see anyone disrespecting him during the delivery. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it. Why not? It seems Obama has continued much of what Bush started. Are you saying that Obama doesn't deserve respect?
ETA: I also said many, not I. And maybe, instead of having respect for WHO is giving the address, how about having respect for the event itself.
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![]() | ![]() crowny2 - 2013-02-12 11:36 AM GomesBolt - 2013-02-12 11:34 AM Maybe you should pay attention to the last two sentences and not the first. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it.crowny2 - 2013-02-12 11:26 AM crusevegas - 2013-02-12 11:10 AM crowny2 - 2013-02-12 8:56 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-12 10:55 AM tuwood - 2013-02-12 10:27 AM I hope the President shares that sentiment. I seem to remember him using a SOTU Address to publicly mock the Supreme Court about their Campaign Finance decision. crowny2 - 2013-02-12 10:19 AM Rumor has it that a TX Senator invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union address tonight. THAT should be interesting if he actually goes. Wonder if he can keep quiet or if we would have another "He lies" episode? As much as I dislike the Presidents policies it's not the time or place for anyone to be disrespectful. Because that clearly is the same as an outburst from the peanut gallery.
I think the President should get the respect he's earned and deserves. Many would argue that Bush didn't deserve any respect durning his later SotU addresses and you didn't see anyone disrespecting him during the delivery. There is a time and place for everything. During the address is not it. Why not? It seems Obama has continued much of what Bush started. Are you saying that Obama doesn't deserve respect?
I agree with the last two sentences. The SOTU is not the place to chastise citizens of this country. Which should also go for the President (a citizen) who is invited into the house to speak to the congress (citizens) about the state of the country. In the case of Obama calling out the Supreme Court (citizens) for a legal decision they made as a group, that was just as wrong as Joe Wilson (a citizen) yelling "You Lie!" to the President (a citizen). My question to you is to defend your comment that "Many" argue President Bush didn't deserve respect. I assume you're part of the "Many" and/or you have some theories as to why President Bush didn't deserve respect. |
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