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2015-08-26 3:54 AM


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Subject: Qualifying for 2016 70.3 worlds
I'm keen to go to the 2016 70.3 worlds in Queensland (Australia). I'm Australian, but also have a British passport so could represent either country. As the Worlds are based at home next year it will probably be really competitive to get a spot, I'm thinking it may be easier to represent Britan. So how would that work in a roll down, I'm doing Mandurah 70.3 in November in Perth in November and that's a qualifying race for the worlds. Does that mean there are some spots for Australians and some for other nationalities?


2015-08-26 5:34 AM
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Does that mean there are some spots for Australians and some for other nationalities?


No, they do not look at nationality. If there's 5 spots for your AG, any nationality can take them.

The good news is they tend to give more slots to more local races when it comes to 70.3 WC.
The bad news is, they are very competitive since it's less expensive for those people to travel.

For example in 2014 when WC was in Canada, some races here got 100 slots. This year they are in Austria, and races in Canada got max 30 slots, while races in Europe got 100 slots.

It will be very competitive in Australia for slots

2015-08-26 5:52 AM
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Unless WTC has changed how they allocate slots, nationality has nothing to do with qualification (unlike ITU worlds).

There will generally be more slots available at the events where worlds will be held though.

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2015-08-26 6:33 AM
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As Shane and Marc already pointed out nationality has nothing to do with it.  

Making an assumption that since the race is in your country, it will be easier to qualify is not always the case.  Yes, the Aussie, Kiwi, and maybe some Asian races will get 75-100 spots but that's bringing out the very, very best racers at those races.  The races will be very top heavy.  I've done two 100 slot races before and the times were off the charts fast.  What was a top-10 time the year before or after was 30th place the year of the 100 slots.  There will be no roll down slots.

I expect there to be a lot of roll down slots here in the US for next year's race.  They were practically giving away slots for the WC in Austria at some races this year.  It will be even more for next year.

2015-08-26 8:05 AM
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As Shane and Marc already pointed out nationality has nothing to do with it.  

Making an assumption that since the race is in your country, it will be easier to qualify is not always the case.  Yes, the Aussie, Kiwi, and maybe some Asian races will get 75-100 spots but that's bringing out the very, very best racers at those races.  The races will be very top heavy.  I've done two 100 slot races before and the times were off the charts fast.  What was a top-10 time the year before or after was 30th place the year of the 100 slots.  There will be no roll down slots.

I expect there to be a lot of roll down slots here in the US for next year's race.  They were practically giving away slots for the WC in Austria at some races this year.  It will be even more for next year.




So my best chance of qualifying would be to do a 70.3 in somewhere as far as Australia as possible I guess, like somewhere in the USA?!
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As Shane and Marc already pointed out nationality has nothing to do with it.  

Making an assumption that since the race is in your country, it will be easier to qualify is not always the case.  Yes, the Aussie, Kiwi, and maybe some Asian races will get 75-100 spots but that's bringing out the very, very best racers at those races.  The races will be very top heavy.  I've done two 100 slot races before and the times were off the charts fast.  What was a top-10 time the year before or after was 30th place the year of the 100 slots.  There will be no roll down slots.

I expect there to be a lot of roll down slots here in the US for next year's race.  They were practically giving away slots for the WC in Austria at some races this year.  It will be even more for next year.




So my best chance of qualifying would be to do a 70.3 in somewhere as far as Australia as possible I guess, like somewhere in the USA?!


This year slots did not roll that much until very late in the season. There is the off case, there always is.
Your best bet is a late season race. People don't like making last minute arrangements. But for example some of the recent races that could qualify for 2016 did not roll down much in the US. For example Timberman.

What AG are you and what type of HIM times do you post on an average difficult course ?

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2015-08-26 5:15 PM
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Originally posted by zedzded

Originally posted by GMAN 19030

As Shane and Marc already pointed out nationality has nothing to do with it.  

Making an assumption that since the race is in your country, it will be easier to qualify is not always the case.  Yes, the Aussie, Kiwi, and maybe some Asian races will get 75-100 spots but that's bringing out the very, very best racers at those races.  The races will be very top heavy.  I've done two 100 slot races before and the times were off the charts fast.  What was a top-10 time the year before or after was 30th place the year of the 100 slots.  There will be no roll down slots.

I expect there to be a lot of roll down slots here in the US for next year's race.  They were practically giving away slots for the WC in Austria at some races this year.  It will be even more for next year.




So my best chance of qualifying would be to do a 70.3 in somewhere as far as Australia as possible I guess, like somewhere in the USA?!


This year slots did not roll that much until very late in the season. There is the off case, there always is.
Your best bet is a late season race. People don't like making last minute arrangements. But for example some of the recent races that could qualify for 2016 did not roll down much in the US. For example Timberman.

What AG are you and what type of HIM times do you post on an average difficult course ?


40 - 44 and would probably do a 4.45. That time leaves me little chance of qualifying in Australia. I'd finish about 20th in my AG with that time.
2015-08-27 7:32 AM
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That would be about 20th place in the M40-44 at most North American 70.3 races too.  Extra slots will bring extra fast racers at most races so that 20th quickly becomes 30th.  4:45 is probably not fast enough to 70.3Q in M40-44 at an average 70.3 course.  4:45 on a harder course and you probably got a legit shot.  4:45 on a fast to average course and you probably need to be in the 4:35 range to have a real legit shot.

Look at the Euro races that had expanded slots this past qualifying season and you'll get an idea.  Check out the top-10 times in M40-44.  All Euro races had 50 slots with three having enhanced.  The Euro Championship race in Weisbaden, Germany had 100 slots, Zell am See had 100 slots, and Austria 70.3 had 75.  Weisbaden is about 20 minutes slower than an average 70.3 just judging by the pro times.  So a 4:45 on an average course is more like a 5:05-5:10 at Weisbaden.  5:05-5:10 is basically a 35th place finish.  Austria 70.3 is an average course.  4:45 would have gotten you 31st.  Zell am See is a harder course as well and about 15 minutes slow so let's say 5:00 is equivalent to a 4:45.  A 5:00 finish at Zell am See would have been 53rd place.

The last 70.3 I did with 100 slots I came in 22nd place.  The year before my time would have got me 12th, the year after 9th.  Not quite at a 70.3Q level but just a bit outside.  Another guy that has done that same race with consistent results came in 12th the year of the 100 slots (I believe that was the last qualifying spot in the M40-44 AG) and I think was 6th and 7th the years sandwiched around the 100 slot year.

Flying to the States to cherry pick a spot is a real risky proposition.  We're only going to have 30 slots at races so while M40-44 is the largest AG, you're still only looking at 3-4 slots.  4:45 is not going to get you a sniff of the top-3 at an average course.  You'd have to hope for a roll down and the late season races might offer very genuine opportunities for that to happen.  A June or July race and the slots might just roll to whoever wants one because it would be hard for most people to make plans to travel to Australia on short notice.

2015-08-27 4:27 PM
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I would say you need to be roughly in top X, where X is 2 times the number of slots for that AG. With some luck.

So if there are 4 slots, you need to be top 8. Minimum

Once I got a slot coming in 9th, but there were 5 slots available
Another time I came in 4th, got the last slot. There were 2.
Once I got a slot with a win, but there were 4 slots and it rolled down to 6.

So within 2x number of slots, with some luck.

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