N.H. GOP Debate

Originally posted by ejshowers

The Rs would absolutely lose a percentage of the Evangelical vote if they abandoned the threes Gs: Gays, God and Guns.

What evidence do you have that the Ds are running themselves into the dirt (as in not relevant). Or maybe I don't get what you are meaning with that line?

Originally posted by mdg2003

My 16 year old daughter watched the entire debate. Im proud that she's showing interest in politics and I will encourage her to watch the Democrats too. I want her to be an informed voter, no matter which way she ultimately 'leans.'

I tried to watch some of it and was pretty disgusted with what was advertised as being a debate. The moderators seemed to be more interested in letting the candidates get in destructive pizzing matches than in a constructive debate. I saw an event that Stephanopolis carefully orchestrated and controlled to do as much damage as possible to the candidates on his list. My daughter called me in to watch the Rubio/Christe 'neener-neener' portion of the show. I'm surprised Martha didn't ask the boyz to drop trou and see who could pizz the greatest distance. And why were Christie and Bush there, but not Fiorina? All three are polling in the toilet , yet Fiorina was somehow not let in. And yes, Trump did point out that the event was also being stacked by the GOP establishment. The whole party is in shiitstate and the entire debate seemed be shaped to showcase that fact.

Like I mentioned earlier, I didn't watch the entire show, but I was disgusted with what I saw. The GOP needs to pull their heads out of their collective backsides and get behind the candidates that the PEOPLE are behind. More importantly, they need to make an effort to protect the three front runners. From themselves and the media!

The republican party is a breath away from splintering and creating a third party. This happens and they lose everything. They need to listen to polling and what America wants and not what Karl Rove wants for the GOP. They need to drop the idea that there can be a bi-partisan kumbaya effort in American politics and concentrate on driving the Democrat party into the dirt. The Democrats are doing this with great success and their constituents are OK with it. I think the republicans would find that their voters would be in favor of the same as well.

Let's drop the archaic stance on social issues and move forward into the current century before it's too late. I think they gain more voters than they'd lose by doing so. Look at the new Pope. Are Catholics bailing and running for the hills because of his liberal ( by established church standards ) ideology? Nope. I think the religious right would stay with the Repubs if they were to get behind and encourage social reforms such as nationwide gay marriage and dropping the abortion debate once and for all. It's time to put on big boy pants and change before the Democrats, for better or worse, get it all.

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn


No, he's saying that the GOP needs to abandon all pretense of trying to work with the Democrats and instead take a scorched earth take no prisoners approach, which he believes is what the democrats have been doing.

They would certainly lose some evangelicals if they move forward on social issues, but I think they'd gain more young and moderate voters in the process. I think it would be a net win for them.

Originally posted by ejshowers



Got it now. Thanks for the clarification.

Originally posted by mdg2003



The democrats are driving the republicans into the dirt. The republicans need to return the favor was what I meant.

I don't see the Democrats giving much ground on anything and kudos for them. They're doing pretty much what their constituents voted them into office for, what they campaigned for or against and they've been pretty effective. There's not been an awful lot of bipartisanship on their behalf since Nance took the speaker job. Now that they've lost majority in House and Senate, we see obama putting the veto to everything crossing his desk. I'm not nitpicking obama or the Democrat party when I say this either. They have their shiite together and they have a game plan, which they are executing to the best of their ability. The Gang Of Pu**ies on the other and are going in circles. They have a bunch of wussies in charge and are getting their agenda crammed up their backsides because they are going at it too soft. They need to eject McConnell and Ryan and start over. Put someone in there with enough spine to take the heat and criticism when they do something the MSM and democrats don't like.

Legalize weed and online gaming while they're at it too.

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn



It's interesting-- from where I sit, the GOP has been completely obstinate and totally unwilling to compromise at all from the moment Obama took office. I think going back to the GOP congressman shouting "You lie!" at the POTUS during a session to all of the statistics about this particular house being the least functional and most obstructive in history in terms of actual legislation passed, I have almost the completely opposite view.

I think you're right that the GOP is fractured within itself and there's a huge battle for the soul of the party, and the Democrats, who are generally much more closely aligned in their core beliefs, are taking advantage. There are certainly Trump supporters who could never in a million years vote for Cruz. And while there are certainly Sanders supporters who wouldn't be happy about having to vote for Hillary, almost all of them would agree that she's a MUCH better choice, based on their core ideology, than anyone on the GOP side.