Franken Gone

Agree, they had to ditch Franken in order to continue the "war on women attacks".  I consider him a Martyr for the cause.

Meh, I know this gets brought up and dismissed all the time. As a woman, I feel there's a difference between consensual sexual acts and sexual harassment/abuse. One might be a failing in morals, but not a crime, the other is a crime.

I watched a fascinating TED talk by Monica Lewinsky the other day. She now describes the situation as "falling in love with her boss." She was an adult, and it was consensual. Quite a bit different than Franken and Moore. 

Will any of this matter? Not sure. I've got whiplash right now from trying to keep up with the news this week. 

Maybe you live in such a deep red area you don't get many political attack ads. But I'm willing to bet that in every contested seat in 2018, Democrats will be reminding voters how that the "GOP endorsed a pedophile" and playing the old grab em by the p****y audio. 

Just for clarification, the Moore "accusers" were late teen girls that he dated consensually at the time.  They were of legal age of consent.  I can't remember the exact quote, but one of the accusers said something along the lines of her thinking of dating Moore as as a badge of honor for most of her life until she started re-thinking it today.
There were, I believe two, accusers who claimed they were assaulted and both have been pretty resoundingly proven as false based on what's been reported.  The yearbook signature of one was a blatant and obvious fabrication that used his signature from her divorce proceedings in 1999.  She didn't even remove the initials of his clerk in the fabrication.
The other one, which was 14, lied about working at where she said the assault took place and didn't even describe the events in a way that would fit with that building.  She was taking garbage out behind the building and it was dark and he pulled me in his car (paraphrasing).  Multiple employees who worked at the restaurant during that time stated that they didn't hire 14 year olds and the garbage was on the side next to a lit highway with lots of traffic.  There was no way a car could fit and park behind the building, etc.  They also stated that none of them had ever heard of or met this girl who supposedly worked there.

This is why we have a legal system in place to protect people from the mob and give them due process in defending themselves in a court of law in front of an impartial jury.  With the mob mentality of these politically timed disclosures such as the Moore case, we're no better than the raging mob pulling the innocent black kid from his bedroom and hanging him from a tree with no more evidence than somebody said he did something.

I think the DNC is overplaying their hand quite a bit because of the way they're using alleged victims as political weapons.  Waiting until the most politically opportune time to parade alleged victims in front of cameras to try and win elections they otherwise could not win.
It's so obvious that even the most ignorant of voters can see through it.
Trumps audio was released at the most damaging time possible and a parade of women who alleged he assaulted him were waiting in line.  Then, when the political hit job didn't work they all disappeared without a peep.  I don't remember all of them, but similar to the Moore case, I recall several were blatantly proven false.

Unfortunately when there are legitimate victims of powerful people they have a much harder time getting their message heard as a result.

P.S. I'm am glad you're coming around to the fact that the DNC has no platform to run on other than tear down the other guy/gal.  It's going to be a really rough couple of election cycles until the DNC figures out people don't want what they're selling.

To clarify, he has a handful of accusers that were of the legal age of consent but who are alleging that they did not, in fact, consent to his behavior. He has multiple accusers who report denying his advances and being touched regardless. The one who said it seemed like a badge of honor was one of the accusers who was 14 at the time. Moore's lawyers have done a terrific job discrediting them by refuting the account of the one with the yearbook, but he has not actually addressed the majority of them beyond claiming he does not know them.

And yes, none of it has been tried in a court of law. Unfortunately, as we have discussed here previously, until pretty much this year many women would be terrified and ashamed to accuse a man of Moore's stature of these acts, and by many of the victims' accounts Moore was not afraid to use his stature as a threat. Some of these women look like Grandmas now - they are risking a lot by opening themselves up to the media spotlight, and a country full of people who automatically seem to assume that the majority of sexual assault victims are lying. I can't imagine what fresh hell it might be for them to be dealing with this at this point in their lives. I guess we will agree to disagree, but I seriously doubt all nine of them are lying.

Ivanka Trump - "There's a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I've yet to see a valid explanation, and I have no reason to doubt the victims' accounts." Apparently Trump is miffed with her for saying this...

Unfortunately though, that is a two way street.

Well, one of those guys just lost his job and another is in jail. So maybe it wasn't ok cause they're democrats?

Moore dated high school girls when he was a middle aged man. You're like 40-ish, right? Picture yourself going to a high school five years ago and picking up girls. Tell me if that thought doesn't feel a little creepy. 

I'm with you and I also agree these women are getting drug through all kinds of crap.  For me, I honestly have a huge problem with the timing.  Not the waiting for 30 years part, but the coming out at exactly the day after Moore can't be replaced on the ballot and being represented by Gloria Allred who is a known DNC hack with a very checkered past.  To me, that wreaks of political hit job and cements my position of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Perhaps its as simple as these women legitimately going to Allred and she then shifted it into a hit job and timed it to be most politically advantageous to the DNC.  If that's the case, if the allegations are true, then IMHO these women are being victimized yet again by being used as political pawns.

I do love that women are being emboldened to come forward.  This I think we both agree on is a great thing for our nation.

He was 33 (i think) and I believe it was in the 70's.  Our culture was much different back then when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Today, I'm absolutely with you that it's creepy as hell and I don't like it one bit.  Then again our culture today still glorifies the old rich guys that date 18 year olds so who knows.  Maybe we haven't changed that much.

Just out of curiosity I looked up age of consent in Nebraska.  It's 17.  Yeesh
Then again I would be seriously creeped out about a guy my age (44) dating an 18, 19, or 20 year old too.  lol

All I can say is the only smart and safe thing for the Minnesota governor to do, is nominate a woman to replace him.