Limbaugh Accuses Michael J. Fox of Faking Parkinsons Symptoms

Maybe if Rush would sell Michael some of his oxycontin then his affliction wouldn't appear so pronounced.

Rush has no shame whatsoever. Special place in hell for that idiot.

As always, everything thsi guy says gets blown out of proportion. He said on the show that in every other circumstanc ethat MJF has been viewed, his illness has not been this visible. He said after that, that if this was in all reality the degree that MJF suffered, then he was sorry that he had misspoken.

The problem is that stem cell research is still infant, and that MJF is being used as a political shill. This is almost as bad as teh Breck Girl saying that if John Kerry was elected, that Chrostopher Reeve would get up and walk out of his wheel chair.  Well, now they are going to have to try to resurrect him.

Check this:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve

Word.

His statement was completely wrong and uncalled for.

Then he went on later and appologized, which was the right thing to do.

Of course, this brings up the whole issue of the Missouri amendment #2, which, to my understanding, would make human cloning legal for research and product development.

It's a cynical bill that on the face of it would make cloning illegal, but actually makes it legal for the use of cloned human embryos .

One thing that would be a very good thing to come out of this controversy with Fox's commercial, is for people to understand that those of us who oppose embryonic stem cell research, do not oppose stem cell research itself.  Adult stem cell research is a good thing.

To say that Senator Talent wants to criminalize the science of stem cell research, as Fox states in his commercial is disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst.

This whole issue of talking about embryonic stem cell research and adult stem cell research as if they are moral equivalents has become Orwellian in its scope.

Used as a shill? I don't get that.

MJF is a grown man with fully functioning cognitive skills. No one's using him for anything. The guy has Parkinson's, and he also has a Parkinson's foundation. Which means he has a vested interested in curing the disease. So is it suprising that he takes an interest in embryonic stem cell research? Shill my @ss. He just realizes that the dems support research that might actually solve a problem he has, so of course he's going to help further that agenda.

But of course, in the same breath that he apologized he also called MJF shameful for using his disease for political purposes. Like the guy has no right to actively seek a cure that will help himself and the others his foundation supports.

One more thing...

Anyone who is personally opposed to abortion, but remains pro-choice, and also supports embryonic stem cell research, pleas explain your logic.

Please.

If you are personally opposed to abortion, I assume that it has something to do with a belief that it is morally wrong to kill your unborn child.

If you remain pro-choice despite this belief, I assume it is because it has something to do with your belief that the rights of the mother outweigh the rights of the unborn child. In your case, you would vote for the child, but you don't want to impose that on another woman.

Now, please explain what rights outweigh the rights of a human in the embryonic stage of life in the case of embryonic stem cell reasearch?

If you support embryonic stem cell research, why are you personally opposed to abortion in the first place?

I really don't understand.

The group your talking about may have a sort of person/not-a-person cutoff in terms of gestational development, and to them an embryo falls on the "not a person" side of the fence.

OK... we "read"  Rush Limbaugh on MSNBC, always on teh fair and balanced, wink wink....

Read the transcripts:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102406/content/rush_is_right.guest.html

Quotes:

"But embryonic stem cell research is currently legal and completely unrestricted in both Maryland and Missouri and in the vast majority of other states"

"The debate we're having is almost always about governmental funding or radical measures like the one currently on the ballot in Missouri, which is Amendment 2, which would write a right to cloning into the state constitution of Missouri, and it's one of these cleverly worded things that makes you: if you vote yes, you're voting no, and vice-versa

There are a lot more, and pretty goo dat that. Not Misinformation, but good stuff. All you who tested commie or democrat on autumns quiz may feel your skin start to burn when you enter his site. That's ok... that is reality setting in and ideology going by the way side  ;-)

In his apology did he announce that he his checking himself into rehab (again) or was molested as a child?  Seems to be a popular defense.

--It is just plain sick how many people are brainwashed by this talk radio crap

OK...so I didn't have to get past the headline:

"He's Just the Latest Victim Used by the Democrat"

That's just patently patronizing and demeaning. It's like the guy has no higher brain function and the Party just trots him in front of the camera so he can writhe and shake. MJF is a grown man with a functioning forebrain, and he chose to attach himself to the Party. He's not being used by anyone.

How is he not being used. If you look into it, as Rush stated, embryonic Stem cell research IS legal in both the states he is doing the ads in. Read further:

"But embryonic stem cell research is currently legal and completely unrestricted in both Maryland and Missouri and in the vast majority of other states. It's largely personal and institutional ethics that keep scientists from cloning research"

"That's what the Democrats are doing, politicizing diseases and illnesses, damaging what has traditionally been a bipartisan effort at addressing and curing illnesses, and the same time they claim if you don't embrace their political and cultural agenda, then you're for Parkinson's disease, and you are for spinal paralysis. It's no different than the way they do it in the environmental movement. They talk about dirty water and dirty air, and if you oppose the environmentalists, why, you must be for dirty water and dirty air! You don't want clean water and clean air, and this is a script that they have written for years. Senate Democrats used to parade victims of various diseases or social concerns or poverty up before congressional committees and let them testify, and they were infallible. You couldn't criticize them."

Pretty cut and dry. This ad IS for political gain, and IS an attack ad. So that squarely inserts MJF into the realm of questioning his motives or position. Just beacuse he makes a great James Bond martini doesn't mean he can't be questioned

Exactly!!!

Look, if the people of Missouri want to legalize human cloning for the purposes of research and product development fine. I disagree with them, but fine.

The problem here seems to be that this proposed ammendment was purposfully worded so as to confuse people. There is legitimate concern that many pro-life people, who normally would not support cloning, may end up voting for it.

If people want to move our culture to where we embrace the notion of human cloning, how 'bout having an honest discussion about it.

Or is the notion of cloning a human so as to build new body parts for the elite just a little too much to stomach? 

I like to think that people are smart enough to understand issues, but that's just me. To me, if you're a pro-lifer and don't get that this is the same issue, well, then you deserve to be deceived.

Lets back up, Jim. Rush's original context was that MJF was being used for political gain. Your statement was that he IS NOT Being used, and taht he has a vested interest in the research (which I do not deny), and that his taking an interest is all fair and great. The point Rush makes about this is taht in the 2 states that he is making these ads in, the research of this type is already legal and that these ads villify the opponents in a way that is leading potential voters to think that if these people don't get elected, then this research will stop. Again, your argument on the federal level is about funding, which if you read Rush's site, would have explained just that:

"The debate we're having is almost always about governmental funding or radical measures like the one currently on the ballot in Missouri, which is Amendment 2, which would write a right to cloning into the state constitution of Missouri, and it's one of these cleverly worded things that makes you: if you vote yes, you're voting no, and vice-versa."

To go on further, I am not saying he is brain dead, you did. I am saying that both parties use people, a la Cindy Sheehan and anti-war. MJF is another "tool" for them to have an issue, and yes, I know the Repubs do it too. I am not arguing that fact.

My whole point on this is that everybody has a perception that Rush just said, "Hey. this guy is a faker and its all political." In fact, he said it IS Political in nature. That is why I included the link to the transcript.

Step down on the page a bit and read up on teh John Edwards "Christoher Reeve" quote. 
JIm, I am not arguing "against" you so much as we all just can't take gospel from MSNBC and argue it from there. I am just inserting counter point to yours from the source. Great discourse here!

G 

Don't know about Rush, but here's someone who had Parkinson's disease and was also against embryonic stem cell research.

Read some of what he had to say about it and tell me what makes more sense; this argument or the argument put forth by proponents of embryonic stem cell research.

And if this is too theological for some people's taste, I'll be happy to provide a purely reason based argument as well.

Discussions about whether or not Rush Limbaugh has profound character flaws is a bit like saying that John Brown had a temper. It so misses the forest for the trees.

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