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Question on Race Plan versus Recovery:

My Race plan for this year, is mainly to do various events as training for Lake Placid, and not to taper and properly prepare for any event - rather "train through" the events as they happen. 

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects).

My next HM is on April 28 - just 21 days post Danbury HM.  Is that enough time in between to recover enough to avoid injury?  I don't want to end up with shin, knee, ITB, plantar issues going into May (2 months out from IMLP).

This is the start of my 3rd season running HM distances.

Any thoughts?

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cobratodd - 2013-04-10 12:21 PM

Question on Race Plan versus Recovery:

My Race plan for this year, is mainly to do various events as training for Lake Placid, and not to taper and properly prepare for any event - rather "train through" the events as they happen. 

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects).

My next HM is on April 28 - just 21 days post Danbury HM.  Is that enough time in between to recover enough to avoid injury?  I don't want to end up with shin, knee, ITB, plantar issues going into May (2 months out from IMLP).

This is the start of my 3rd season running HM distances.

Any thoughts?

Thank you

So it appears to me that you're treating everything as I would define a "C" race.  "A" race would be IMLP.  "B" races I would put at the end of rest weeks in training as to give you a faux taper.  "C" races are just another training day with competitors.  I'd find something that you want to test.  Maybe it's the restraint to run at you're IM pace, but find something that you've been working at to judge yourself by other than where you finish.  Trust me that I know this is tough, but in the long run IMLP is the goal not a local HM.

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ccmpsyd - 2013-04-10 12:37 PM

FWIW - I was given a tee shirt for Christmas that reads "I am silently judging your grammar."

That is awsome! I want one.

2013-04-10 12:51 PM
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cobratodd - 2013-04-10 1:21 PM

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects)

That's why I don't do "training races". I was relieved when I couldn't do the HM I had run the two previous years so I could just keep training for my A races. I knew I wasn't going to race it for training and was going to go as hard as I could and it would have blown up my next week.

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everlong - 2013-04-10 12:45 PM
ccmpsyd - 2013-04-10 12:37 PM

FWIW - I was given a tee shirt for Christmas that reads "I am silently judging your grammar."

That is awsome! I want one.

Glad you like it....my 10 year old likes it too (I think...or she may be sarcastic...can't tell sometimes). I will see where it came from and let you know.

 

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uhcoog - 2013-04-10 1:39 PM
cobratodd - 2013-04-10 12:21 PM

Question on Race Plan versus Recovery:

My Race plan for this year, is mainly to do various events as training for Lake Placid, and not to taper and properly prepare for any event - rather "train through" the events as they happen. 

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects).

My next HM is on April 28 - just 21 days post Danbury HM.  Is that enough time in between to recover enough to avoid injury?  I don't want to end up with shin, knee, ITB, plantar issues going into May (2 months out from IMLP).

This is the start of my 3rd season running HM distances.

Any thoughts?

Thank you

So it appears to me that you're treating everything as I would define a "C" race.  "A" race would be IMLP.  "B" races I would put at the end of rest weeks in training as to give you a faux taper.  "C" races are just another training day with competitors.  I'd find something that you want to test.  Maybe it's the restraint to run at you're IM pace, but find something that you've been working at to judge yourself by other than where you finish.  Trust me that I know this is tough, but in the long run IMLP is the goal not a local HM.

The (potential) problem with a bunch of "C" races (especially when training for a HIM or IM) is the recovery debt they create.  Take participating in a HM instead of doing your weekly long run.  When you go off on your long run, you generally stay at an aerobic pace (which is slower than your "racing" HM pace) and are able to recover fairly quickly (this goes back to the whole idea that training load = intensity x volume). 

If you race a HM, you are going to push yourself.  It happens.  There are lots of other competitors, you have adreniline flowing and you know that you can catch the guy in front of you.  Its very hard to hold back at a race, especially for competative types. 

Because you push yourself, the intensity is high and it takes longer to recover, which impacts (see I used impact to avoid the affect / effect issue) your ability to get in quality training in the next week (essentially you'll loose quality in your training because you have a recovery debt). 

Like Scott said, I like to schedule races at the end of rest weeks.  You get a pseudo-taper. your body is fairly fresh going into the race and you can plan for a few easier days post race to recover.  While you likely won't get injured by racing HMs 3 weeks apart, you're likely going to partially compromise your training for IMLP.



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cobratodd - 2013-04-10 1:21 PM

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects)

That's why I don't do "training races". I was relieved when I couldn't do the HM I had run the two previous years so I could just keep training for my A races. I knew I wasn't going to race it for training and was going to go as hard as I could and it would have blown up my next week.

This is a lesson it takes lots of athlets way too long to learn.  You need to remember what's important.  If running 52 HMs in a year is important, by all means, run a HM every weekend.  If suceeding at an "A" race is important, sometimes you need to sacrifice other things. 

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cobratodd - 2013-04-10 1:21 PM

That being said, and also having some level of the Typical Type A personality, when I get into the start - it's all out for me.  Foeget HR zones, heck, I'm lucky if I can pace myself for the distance to finish.  The HM last Sunday was 90 minutes at an ave HR of 166bpm, and my legs (3 days later) still feel the effects(affects)

That's why I don't do "training races". I was relieved when I couldn't do the HM I had run the two previous years so I could just keep training for my A races. I knew I wasn't going to race it for training and was going to go as hard as I could and it would have blown up my next week.

This is a lesson it takes lots of athlets way too long to learn.  You need to remember what's important.  If running 52 HMs in a year is important, by all means, run a HM every weekend.  If suceeding at an "A" race is important, sometimes you need to sacrifice other things. 

This is kinda where I'm heading.  I'd much rather just do the big A race and pass on all the little guys. 

I'm dealing with what Todd is dealing with - DOMS - and now I most likely won't be able to do my run repeats tomorrow due to the muscle soreness.  Now I'm thinking my HM should have been just another training run even though it came after a recovery week, and then I'd be refreshed going into this new block instead of feeling like an enormous disaster area.  LOL  

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Sweet.  I was able to do the mile repeats.  I was slower than I wanted to be, but I got it done.  I have a few areas that need attention (stretching, rolling, and ice) but that's about it.  Tabatas later.  

Another mouse ran across the floor while I was in the basement and my HR shot up 10 beats.  LMAO  Why am I so scared of these harmless little creatures?  Wish I weren't allergic to cats.  Off to call the exterminator again.   

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So I had to run last night around 930 after my ride and it was raining and kind of cold. I wore a loose shirt with a light windbreaker. Felt fine during the run but this morning I have significant sensitivity issues....hurts to wear a shirt. Never have experienced this before....My daughter asked me this morning why I was moving so funny...I explained....she said "Um, Dad, TMI." I replied by saying perhaps she was correct.
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Question for the Group: I need to purchase a new helmet. Kelly has recommended a rudy project. Was wondering what the rest of the group uses and what you would recommend. Any advice is appreciated.


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I've worn my good old Bell Lumen for the last 2 years.  I'll probably wear it this season too.  
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I'm sure the Project Rudy helmets are really nice but they're pretty expensive too. The Wing Span is like $375 vs a Giro Advantage 2 for $125. I can't see it being 3X better. I'm probably going to spring for a new helmet this year as well.
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Hour trainer and 3 mile run in the books. Tomorrow 30 minutes in recovery zone and a 2-3K swim depending on how I feel. Then Saturday off. I feel like this has been a very productive recovery week at the right volume and intensity that should set me up well for two weeks in which I plan to really push myself because the week after will be with the family in Disney and completely off from training minus core work which I plan on doing every day while away.
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Yeah I saw the price for the Rudy and unless it comes with retractable rockets and/or I can find a really good deal, I am not looking to drop 300+ on a helmet right now.
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ccmpsyd - 2013-04-11 10:05 AM Question for the Group: I need to purchase a new helmet. Kelly has recommended a rudy project. Was wondering what the rest of the group uses and what you would recommend. Any advice is appreciated.

Go try some on.  The Giro Selector was too small for my dome (even the L) and the Rudy was borderline too small too.  I like my Bell Javelin a lot.



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I did try some on but the LBS where I live have limited selections of aero helmets.
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ccmpsyd - 2013-04-11 11:59 AM Yeah I saw the price for the Rudy and unless it comes with retractable rockets and/or I can find a really good deal, I am not looking to drop 300+ on a helmet right now.

Let me search for you -- you can always find 40% off discounts for Rudy Project.

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Also someone (Michele I believe sked me if I had Road ID discount codes).  I have two for $15 off.  One if for Michele so one is up for grabs.  If you want it, let me know.
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There are some pretty significant discounts for USAT members -- here's the link -- http://www.usatriathlon.org/membership-services/benefits/no-codes-member-discounts.aspx

A few of the biggies:

25% off Fuel Belt

20% off GU

25% off Rudy Project ( I know I can do better than this but its a start)

20% off TYR

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ccmpsyd - 2013-04-11 10:05 AM Question for the Group: I need to purchase a new helmet. Kelly has recommended a rudy project. Was wondering what the rest of the group uses and what you would recommend. Any advice is appreciated.

Go try some on.  The Giro Selector was too small for my dome (even the L) and the Rudy was borderline too small too.  I like my Bell Javelin a lot.

I was checking those out online. Does it come with the shield? Do you use one? If so how does it workout for you?



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ccmpsyd - 2013-04-11 10:05 AM Question for the Group: I need to purchase a new helmet. Kelly has recommended a rudy project. Was wondering what the rest of the group uses and what you would recommend. Any advice is appreciated.

Go try some on.  The Giro Selector was too small for my dome (even the L) and the Rudy was borderline too small too.  I like my Bell Javelin a lot.

I was checking those out online. Does it come with the shield? Do you use one? If so how does it workout for you?

Comes with shield.  I use it, but it's detachable so if you don't like it no biggie.  I like the helmet a lot.  It totally cuts out any wind noise you'd hear with a road helmet, so it's really quiet in there.  Kind of nice really.  My only wish is that there was a tinted visor for sunny days.

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All I want to do today is eat!!!! Food. Food. More food.
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jarvy01 - 2013-04-11 1:12 PM All I want to do today is eat!!!! Food. Food. More food.

So eat.  You're a tiny little thing a sammich or two ain't gonna hurt ya.  Wink

 

Z3 interval ride done w/ a little T run.  Over/Unders in the pool and OLP cycling tomorrow.  Going to hit the course on Saturday and see if I can find any of the folks picketing.

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uhcoog - 2013-04-11 11:59 AM

ccmpsyd - 2013-04-11 10:05 AM Question for the Group: I need to purchase a new helmet. Kelly has recommended a rudy project. Was wondering what the rest of the group uses and what you would recommend. Any advice is appreciated.

Go try some on.  The Giro Selector was too small for my dome (even the L) and the Rudy was borderline too small too.  I like my Bell Javelin a lot.

I was checking those out online. Does it come with the shield? Do you use one? If so how does it workout for you?

Comes with shield.  I use it, but it's detachable so if you don't like it no biggie.  I like the helmet a lot.  It totally cuts out any wind noise you'd hear with a road helmet, so it's really quiet in there.  Kind of nice really.  My only wish is that there was a tinted visor for sunny days.

I thought some of them had tinted lenses by the pictures. Maybe you can buy just the lens and swap them in and out. I like the idea of quiet. I ride near a lot of beaches and on windy days it can be so loud.

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