Beer Drinkers Appreciation Society (BDAS) 2023 Mentor Group - ALWAYS OPEN (Page 105)

2024-05-20 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by drfoodlove

Today was a rough one. We ended up having to put our dog down today. She was 15.5 years old, so she had a good life and it was time, but it is never an easy thing to do.

I managed to get in a 48’ interval run, which is hard to do through tears, but my scheduled swim and strength sessions didn’t happen. The pool wasn’t opened back up on schedule and then I just didn’t want to leave the house for the gym later. Letting them go this week.

Gretchen, I'm so very sorry for your loss. It's heartbreaking to lose a pet. She had an amazing life and lots of great runs with her momma <3
Glad you were able to get some workouts in that day, and makeup workouts in within a day or two. Sending you love!

2024-05-20 2:24 PM

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Nat, how'd the tri go?! I can't wait to hear, and love the tiers of goals.

Mike, so glad to hear you're feeling so much better!

Andrew, totally get needing some time in bed. I bet you have a killer week this week now that you've gotten some rest!

Gretchen, as I said before, you're still crushing it on the regular, and are truly inspirational in your commitment!

2024-05-20 2:29 PM

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I SWAM!!!!

Had my PT session Friday morning and got a couple stretches to do. I'd also gone on about a 1.5 mile walk the day before, not knowing if I was allowed, but I was feeling pretty good and needed to move my body. My PT confirmed that I could walk, and also that I could swim.

I went up to PA Friday to see my niece's lacrosse game (it's playoffs). It was absolutely thrilling and I thought I was going to need a cardioman myself...how parents deal with this stuff on a regular basis I have no idea. They won 16-15 and play again tomorrow (gonna head up for the game after work again).

I came home after b/c I wanted to go to masters practice Saturday morning. I got there late (per usual) and found that they were doing their first outdoor practice in the pouring rain. I was not excited, though when I got out to the outdoor pool, the water was wonderfully warm and it was actually quite lovely. I got in about 1600 yds, which was a very good (re)start. I did not bring a towel though and they don't have towel service outside, so that was fun...

Yesterday I went on a very long walk. I was just going to do about 2 miles, but then ran into a neighbor and ended up doing closer to 4. Felt pretty good, though my hip is definitely a little fatigued today. I still got up and did about 1.5 miles this morning.

A couple months ago, I got some bloodwork done that showed my cholesterol was high. I just redid that bloodwork today and it's back to normal! Feels good to know the healthy changes I've made had an impact.

So overall a pretty good few days, and I'm so happy to be able to move my body again. Going to masters again tonight, and aiming to do at least a short walk each morning this week.

2024-05-20 2:57 PM

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Great that those healthy changes are paying off!

I knowm watching sport gets my HR way up and I don’t even know anyone on the team!

The race is at the weekend, you’ll have to wait.

Had a nice swim today, at a decent pace for being on my own and with loads of turns as I just swim back and forth, don’t want to venture out on my own.

2024-05-20 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rollergirl

Great that those healthy changes are paying off!

I knowm watching sport gets my HR way up and I don’t even know anyone on the team!

The race is at the weekend, you’ll have to wait.

Had a nice swim today, at a decent pace for being on my own and with loads of turns as I just swim back and forth, don’t want to venture out on my own.

I can be patient!

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2024-05-20 6:57 PM

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@Nicole. That bloodwork feedback is great news. Nothing is as motivating to keep on going as seeing some success. Nice to see you're able to get moving again. You're going to be leading the pack into T1 when you are able to get back to normal after your enforced swim focus.

@Mike. I think health system speeds is more a global thing than a USA thing. Definitely sounds familiar. You have to think though, if something concerning had come up, you would have been contacted ASAP. So the fact it's dragging on probably (hopefully?) means you're going to be given the all clear. Nice to see you back to something like normal training.

@Nat. I'm going 1:28. the adrenaline of race day is definitely going to give you a bit of a speed boost, so you'll be ahead of what you think is 'realistic'

Me? Started the week with an easy 60 minute jog on the treadmill and a bit of a stretch. Same planned for tonight (2 days easy after Sundays big workout) and a 70 minute tempo run penciled in for tomorrow morning.

Keep it up team.

2024-05-21 7:44 AM

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Great work, Andrew! Consistency is key (especially in the winter, which I know you are heading into).
How's the "shed" add-on going?!

Got in a 2.5 mile walk this morning in the sunshine. Glorious!
Also made it to masters practice (a little late, got caught working and lost track of time). Got in 2000 solid yards. I got there just in time for the main set. I'm definitely slow right now, but am excited to build. Set below in case anyone wants to try it out:

5x50
2x100
5x50
2x150
5x50
1x200
5x50
1x200

All my 50s were at the same time, and I had about 15 seconds rest, so I'd choose a time for you that allows that.
100s were a minute longer
150s were 2:10 longer
200s were about 3:30 longer (so we had a good amount of rest after the longer bits)

2024-05-21 7:51 AM

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@Andrew: yes, I'm becoming less and less concerned as the days pass (and I continue to ramp up my training without any issues); still want to know what the hell happened

@Gretchen: forgot to mention in my previous post - sorry for losing your pup...I know she was a running companion for you for a long time

@Nathalie: you are I are going to prove my hypothesis that for an experienced triathlete you only need a few swim sessions over maybe 2-3 weeks to put up an acceptable time in a sprint triathlon - guess we'll find out!

@Nicole: I love swimming outdoors in the rain when the pool is warm - LOL on the towels that must have been cold; I forget my towel all the time when I got to the Y so I wind up using a shirt or sweatshirt

Passed another self-test this morning with some interval running on the treadmill, 1 x 4' @ 5K+ pace and 2 x 1' @ mile race pace, appropriate HR levels and hard respiration, then did a whole bunch of core work (ouch). I have two more days before we head to Hilton Head (flying so no bike) so I'll be riding The Stealth Bomber a couple of times, who finally has race wheels (front Flo 64 and a rear custom-built Flo 90 with a powertap) - I'll take a picture when I get a chance. ETA: by the way, valve extenders are a real PITA - it takes me like 10 minutes to inflate my tires

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2024-05-21 9:36 AM

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Looks like everyone is doing well!

@Andrew--great job on the running consistency!

@Mike--glad to hear you are feeling better and getting in sessions with intensity without another episode. Like you, though, I'd want to know what happened!

@Nicole--swimming and walking, love the low intensity stuff to keep you moving as you heal!

@Nat-I'm with Mike, 1:28--race day adrenaline!

I'm having a scheduled rest week, which is nice. Yesterday was 2000 yds in the pool. That's it. I have no idea what to do with my time. Today was supposed to be a 90' tempo run, but about 2' after starting the tempo part of the run I vomited spectacularly in the yard of an elderly couple as they watched from their porch, where they were having morning coffee. I don't know why, only that it was sudden onset and totally unexpected. I decided to walk home after that and just be happy I didn't continue to ralph all over the neighborhood. I was queasy for the next hour or so. Not sure what was going on, but I decided not to push myself. Moved my 3:00 ride (not sure how that is a rest week!) to tomorrow to just let my stomach settle. Looking forward to my first race of the season on Saturday--a little local sprint tri that is usually good fun. I have to think about my pacing and goals at some point this week, but not today.

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2024-05-21 5:12 PM

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Originally posted by nicole14e

Great work, Andrew! Consistency is key (especially in the winter, which I know you are heading into).
How's the "shed" add-on going?!

Thanks. And you're right, consistency is everything in this sport.

After 2 weekends of nothing due to inclement weather, and family commitments we made some progress again over the weekend. The stairs to get down from the lawn to the flat area we excavated are now in. Saturday was digging, lining up posts and concreting. Sunday swinging a hammer and building the thing. Not too bad, maybe 3 hours work each day.

This coming weekend the 'weather dependant' plan is 1-2 trailer loads of scoria for drainage behind the retaining wall and backfill. So a decent spade and wheelbarrow 'strength session' coming up. - how do I turn that into a training peaks green box?

bulfrog

2024-05-21 5:23 PM

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@Mike, 1 mile race pace intervals will sure get that heart rate up. Good to see you came through with flying colours. Back to Florida again? I'm away for work again the next couple of days, forecast has less than 40F expected... almost as pleasant as florida.

@Gretchen. Random throwing up at the start of your run does not sound great. Stopping and walking home absolutely the right call. Hope you're not coming down with something. Although, if you are the rest week is the time for it I guess.

@Nicole. That's a decent swim session. Nice to be active again.

Me, last 24 hours has gone as scheduled. easy hour on the treadmill Tuesday evening, and a 70' (ok, 66') real run before work today. Included 2x18' tempo effort. Much more fun to get outside and do a real run. So I'm glad coach Andrew won the negotiations in my head at 5:15 this morning. Was a close run thing to be fair.

2024-05-23 5:25 AM

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oh Gretchen, sounds a bit like what happened to me last week, 2k into my 5k run (except I didn't barf) but total shutdown.
good luck this weekend, do share your game plan with us please

I think your theory may be right Mike, judging by Monday's swim, I think we can shave off one minute of my realistic prediction there.

haven't done anything since Monday's swim, big sales conference at work, no time. I've been eating far too much (I guess we will call it loading up on carbs) but ony drank one real beer (an 100 non alcoholic ones, talking abour carbs).

Golf this afternoon then one more evening. I'll try to move a little tomorrow.

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2024-05-23 7:21 AM

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65' Anaerobic interval run today. No problems at all with the vomiting, so I guess it was a fluke. I think maybe coffee is not a good idea before running anymore. I have trouble with coffee anyway, sometimes, so that would make the most sense. Later today I have a 60' tempo ride, which I want to do outside so I can figure out why my power meter won't work since I got the smart trainer. I want to know my power on race day!!

OK...serious work question here.
Does anyone use latent class analysis often? I am trying to use it for the first time and am looking t the BIC and AIC to evaluate the model fit, but some of my values are negative, which is fine, but I'm reading conflicting information about what is "good" when the value is negative. For example, I have two models with 17 and 18 classes, respectively. The 17 class model has a BIC of -54.1 and the 18 class model is 98.61. Lower BIC is a better model fit, but is it lower as in closer to 0, or lower as in the actual lower value (difference between considering absolute values versus which one is actually lower). I have read several different articles about LCA, but the terminology is usually something along the lines of "lower is better". I read that as the more negative value is a better fit, but how will I ever know if I have the "lowest" value? I can't run an infinite set of models to keep trying with one more class.

2024-05-23 7:51 AM

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@Gretchen: I have ZERO idea what you're talking about - is that statistical models? it's been a WHILE since I've delved into that discipline but even so never heard of which you speak.

@Nicole: nice work in the pool...hopefully you can get there a couple of times a week to get your heart rate up while you're healing - can you ride the bike yet?

@Nathalie: yay golf! I'm going to be dusting off the clubs this summer to get my heart rate up in frustration; my back is probably the best it's ever going to be again so swing away, right? Good luck racing this weekend.

@Andrew: at this point I'm thinking they have no idea what happened with me, but I'm feeling 100% now so I'm not going to worry about it; and no Florida...South Carolina beach for the week - it's supposed to be oppressively hot so I'll get some heat acclimation in case it gets hot here for race day

Got in a short run and strength session yesterday, followed by a half mile or so in the pool. I was going to ride my tri bike outdoors but I'm having some mechanical issues (likely user error) so I'm going to race on the Ridley with race wheels and clip-on aerobars. I know I can ride that pretty fast and I have like 20K miles on it so my confidence will be way higher. This morning was 1800 in the pool and I'll get in a brick workout at lunch, outdoors if the weather behaves. 4K for the week in the pool which ties the most all year LOL. I'd like to get in a couple of short swims Saturday and Sunday, maybe open water if we can.

2024-05-23 9:45 AM

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@Gretchen: I have ZERO idea what you're talking about - is that statistical models? it's been a WHILE since I've delved into that discipline but even so never heard of which you speak.

Indeed...statistical modeling of human behavior...cause...you know...humans tend to behave in totally predictable ways!

2024-05-23 2:02 PM

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Originally posted by drfoodlove

Originally posted by jmhpsu93

@Gretchen: I have ZERO idea what you're talking about - is that statistical models? it's been a WHILE since I've delved into that discipline but even so never heard of which you speak.

Indeed...statistical modeling of human behavior...cause...you know...humans tend to behave in totally predictable ways!

As someone whose job it is to predict (and control LOL) human reaction to change, yeah.

2024-05-24 8:08 AM

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A decent swim this morning for me, 2350yds. A bit more than the plan called for, but I wasn't quitting mid set! (like I nearly always do!).

Race day tomorrow. I'm excited for the first race of the season. It is a sprint-ish race.

400yd pool swim
14mi bike
3 mi run

Goals:
1.) have some fun!
2.) beat my 2022 self
3.) not screw up my watch timing so I have some idea of what I did right and wrong!

Swim: goal is sub-8:00, which is doable if I seed myself properly and don't get stuck behind someone slower
T1: 5:00--it is no Nat pace, but the run from the swim to the transition area is long and this is somewhere I can make up time!
Bike: 14mi @ 18.5mph 45:24; course is pretty flat and only has a few well policed turns. This is a bit aggressive, but I think I have it in me
T2: 5:00--again, mostly a placeholder to give me a cushion
Run: 3mi @ 13:00/mi (yes, I'm slow). I probably have more than this in me, but I'm not sure--I did a HM at 12:45 last year. Run has been a bit touch and go lately.

Total 1:42:24

2024-05-24 8:20 AM

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Originally posted by drfoodlove

OK...serious work question here.
Does anyone use latent class analysis often? I am trying to use it for the first time and am looking t the BIC and AIC to evaluate the model fit, but some of my values are negative, which is fine, but I'm reading conflicting information about what is "good" when the value is negative. For example, I have two models with 17 and 18 classes, respectively. The 17 class model has a BIC of -54.1 and the 18 class model is 98.61. Lower BIC is a better model fit, but is it lower as in closer to 0, or lower as in the actual lower value (difference between considering absolute values versus which one is actually lower). I have read several different articles about LCA, but the terminology is usually something along the lines of "lower is better". I read that as the more negative value is a better fit, but how will I ever know if I have the "lowest" value? I can't run an infinite set of models to keep trying with one more class.

here's how I understood the above

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???s?µ?p??e? ?a?e?? s???? ?a??????sa a????s? t????; ???spa?? ?a t? ???s?µ?p???s? ??a p??t? f??? ?a? ???t??? t? BIC ?a? t? AIC ??a ?a a???????s? t?? p??sa?µ??? t?? µ??t????, a??? ???sµ??e? ap? t?? t?µ?? µ?? e??a? a???t????, ??t? p?? e??a? e?t??e?, a??? d?aß??? a?t??????µe?e? p????f???e? s?et??? µe t? t? e??a? "?a??" ?ta? ? t?µ? e??a? a???t???. G?a pa??de??µa, ??? d?? µ??t??a µe 17 ?a? 18 ?at?????e?, a?t?st???a. ?? µ??t??? t?? ?at?????a? 17 ??e? BIC -54,1 ?a? t? µ??t??? t?? ?at?????a? 18 e??a? 98,61. ?? ?aµ???te?? BIC e??a? ?a??te?? p??sa?µ??? t?? µ??t????, a??? e??a? ?aµ???te?? ?s? p?? ???t? st? 0, ? ?aµ???te?? ?p?? st?? p?a?µat??? ?aµ???te?? t?µ? (d?af??? µeta?? t?? e??tas?? ap???t?? t?µ?? se s??s? µe t? p??a e??a? st?? p?a?µat???t?ta ?aµ???te??). ??? d?aß?se? p???? d?af??et??? ????a s?et??? µe t?? LCA, a??? ? ???????a e??a? s?????? ??t? a?????? t?? "?aµ???te?a e??a? ?a??te?a". ???ßasa ?t? ?a??? ? p?? a???t??? t?µ? ta?????e? ?a??te?a, a??? p?? ?a µ??? p?t? a? ??? t? "?aµ???te??" t?µ?; ?e? µp??? ?a t???? ??a ?pe??? s????? µ??t???? ??a ?a s??e??s? ?a p??spa?? µe µ?a a??µ? ?at?????a.

(edit, apparently BT does not support Greek lettering, oh well, one good joke down the drain)

Edited by Rollergirl 2024-05-24 8:21 AM

2024-05-24 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by drfoodlove

A decent swim this morning for me, 2350yds. A bit more than the plan called for, but I wasn't quitting mid set! (like I nearly always do!).

Race day tomorrow. I'm excited for the first race of the season. It is a sprint-ish race.

400yd pool swim
14mi bike
3 mi run

Goals:
1.) have some fun!
2.) beat my 2022 self
3.) not screw up my watch timing so I have some idea of what I did right and wrong!

Swim: goal is sub-8:00, which is doable if I seed myself properly and don't get stuck behind someone slower
T1: 5:00--it is no Nat pace, but the run from the swim to the transition area is long and this is somewhere I can make up time!
Bike: 14mi @ 18.5mph 45:24; course is pretty flat and only has a few well policed turns. This is a bit aggressive, but I think I have it in me
T2: 5:00--again, mostly a placeholder to give me a cushion
Run: 3mi @ 13:00/mi (yes, I'm slow). I probably have more than this in me, but I'm not sure--I did a HM at 12:45 last year. Run has been a bit touch and go lately.

Total 1:42:24

Good luck! 2022-Gretchen is going DOWN!

2024-05-24 12:15 PM

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Good luck to you too Nat!!

Ps…joke still works, even without Greek letters.

2024-05-24 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by drfoodlove
Ps…joke still works, even without Greek letters.

Yeah but it was better when it was all greek to me

2024-05-24 3:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rollergirl

Originally posted by drfoodlove Ps…joke still works, even without Greek letters.

Yeah but it was better when it was all greek to me

The jibberish worked, or whatever the hell BT did to your Greek.

2024-05-24 7:19 PM

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I have figured out why my power meter isn’t working. It appears that I hulled it the last time I changed the batteries and cracked the housing. Oops! Expensive lesson there.

2024-05-25 8:20 AM

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2022 Nat 1- 2024 Nat 0
Past Nats 2- 2024 Nat 0

But for 2022 Nat it was the last race of the season and this year it was the first one. It went according to the realistic plan.
1:27:58 (win for for those who had 1:28:00)

Details to follow

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2024-05-25 12:19 PM

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Hey all!

2022 Gretchen 0/ 2024 Gretchen 1!!

Barely beat my 2022 overall time, but the run was longer this year!

Overall 1:32:17 (goal 1:42:24)
Swim 7:45 1:56/100 (goal 8:00)
T1 1:58
Bike 43:48 19.15mph (goal 45:24)
T2 1:08
Run 37:51 12:08/mi (goal 13:00/mi)

Was 2nd AG (would have been 1st if they used race age instead of actual age. I’m 44 years and 361 days old.). Overall 9th female, which I’m pretty happy with.

I wish I could get my run to look like a run, but I guess you can’t have everything!

Swim was great—only passed by one guy who seeded himself poorly. Didn’t pass or catch anyone, so pretty happy there.

T1 was way faster than I was expecting. There is a pretty long run between the pool and the bike racks. Even had to dodge some spectators.

Bike was great, except I couldn’t get any hydration after about my second drink. I think the tube was curled up and sticking out the top of the liquid, but I’m going to have to investigate the issue. I can’t be without fluids/nutrition on longer rides/races.

T2 was kind of a mess. Bike racking went well, but tying my shoes was a mess. It was like I forgot that basic skill. I had to change socks too, as mine were soaked and I hate starting a race with wet socks. (Wearing socks on the bike because on Thursday my bike left shoe started rubbing my heel for some reason and gave me a blister). Also…forgot my sunglasses.

Run was a run. It wasn’t all that pretty, but I feel like I gave it my all. Only walked through the one aid station at about the half mile mark (poorly placed). Was able to kick it in at the end and finish strong, so that feels good.

Final time is 1:29 faster than 2022 Gretchen, with an extra bit of running this year.