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4k in the pool this morning. Now hungry enough to destroy the kitchen...


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please save me a spot.  i too am doing ironman florida, and my 2012 season was also a bust as i was hit by a car in April just before IMTX, then at IMAZ, an allergic reaction to something in my goggles left me unable to see anything on the swim - tough start and end to the year.  2013 will be my year!
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sheesleeva - 2013-05-11 9:47 AMplease save me a spot.  i too am doing ironman florida, and my 2012 season was also a bust as i was hit by a car in April just before IMTX, then at IMAZ, an allergic reaction to something in my goggles left me unable to see anything on the swim - tough start and end to the year.  2013 will be my year!
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Leegoocrap - 2013-05-11 9:29 AM4k in the pool this morning. Now hungry enough to destroy the kitchen...
Nice swim Chris!
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I am sure you have probably already tried it for PF, but wearing the "strassburg sock" everynight worked for me, along with the usual ice, rolling, etc.  Good Luck!

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Leegoocrap - 2013-05-11 9:29 AM4k in the pool this morning. Now hungry enough to destroy the kitchen...
Nice swim Chris!

Dang I see these distances and think I must be way under training.  Nice job!



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Did one short ride alone, just to focus on my form and spinning.  I really have a lot of work to do!  It was a relatively flat course, it was only an hour ride and my pace was 13.8 mph. Two years ago, I was doing this same course at 15.8.  Both were at a z2- low z3, staying between 90 -100 rpm.  I felt better after the ride than I have recently on other rides.  I have been riding with mashers and not focused on spinning.  Do you think this is why my biking isn't improving?  Again, I know nothing about cycling (only the knowledge from the books I've read).  I am hoping that having my bike fitted properly and a minor evaluation of my pedal stroke will help me go faster.  Even on race pace, my fastest is only 16.8 mpr (very hilly course, the fastest in my AG are going 21 mpr).  I fell like I need to go back to square one with re-learning how to ride and just keep spinning.  Any thoughts or suggestions? 

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Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.
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Btw. I've been wearing that sick every night since August last year! I can't wait for the day I get to sleep without that damn thing!

I've been icing every day instead of working out when I get home. I just don't have time for everything! ?? Mornings are still tough but it started getting a little better today.
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Meulen - 2013-05-11 11:22 AM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.

Thanks Brian!  I'll try not to over think it.  I am just frustrted that I seemed to be getting slower rather than faster.  I want someone to wave the magic wand over me to get faster, but sincethat is not going to happen, I was hoping for some magic training tips.   I will research the power meter.  Bummer on the sock.  It sucks being injured!  You are probably looking for that magic wand too...  Good Luck!

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Meulen - 2013-05-10 10:04 AMNo plans for me racing.  I've got to work the LTF cycle club ride on Saturday.  Should be a miserable cold rainy, damp, windy day.....yay! I've got stuff on my plan from coach, but not taking it to seriously.  At this point I'm pretty sure the season is over for me.  My PF has flared up again.  I'm almost a year into this problem and feel like I've tried everything but quitting.  So it may be time for that.  Haven't done anything in a few days.  My wife will tell you my sedentary crabby instincts have kicked in.  Coach thinks its just a minor set back.  So not making any final decisions yet, but I think I know whats going to happen.  I'll have to take some time to think about a plan this weekend.
sorry about your troubles Brian. Wish I had something more useful to add, but don't know much about these things.


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trei - 2013-05-10 10:54 AM

no race for me this weekend.  was hoping to get outside for a long ride for the first time this year, but the darn Wisconsin weather doesn't seem to want to cooperate (low 50s windy and rainy), so I've got yet another date with the trainer. 

Does anyone else have problems with getting foot cramps?  I sometimes get them swimming (both feet) and biking (right foot only after a couple hours).  If so, any remedies?

Todd

I i get foot cramps swimming sometimes, more often when swimming too hard. For me its fitness related, not nutrition. I can stretch against a wall or throw in some breast stroke and frog-kick it out. But sometimes, once they start they keep coming back for the rest of the swim, then I just pull, or pack up and leave in a huff... always swim hydrated, also I've heard eating eating bananas helps (can't hurt)

For biking, I would fiddle with small adjustments in the cleat position on your right shoe. If you do this, mark the sole of the shoe with a sharpie first so you know where you started. I was getting hot spots in my left foot only till I realized the cleat was significantly more forward than the right.

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Do we have anyone racing this weekend? 

For me, last big brick tomorrow (embrace the brick!) before the race. 

Train well!

No race/big rides for me this weekend. However, my mom from NJ will be in town for a week. Last I saw her was at my wedding. My stepfather asked her what she wanted for Valentine's Day, and she immediately said VEGAS! The coolest thing is, they're getting free flight (frequent flier miles) and free hotel room (they always get comped...don't ask. :-D), so they're basically here for free, and I get a cleaner house to boot. LOL! I just have a couple rides this weekend, including a coaching session. Since I'm paying for it, I truly hope that I get a LOT out of it. This is the first time that I've been coached for cycling, so I could really use some pointers on how to be a much more efficient rider, faster, and better climber. It's different than being actually coached vs. hearing from your cycling friends because of all the advice they give me.

Let us know how you make out with the coaching.  I enjoy hearing how these things work out as I always learn something from everyones experiences.

Enjoy your visit with your Mom!



Here's SOME takeaways, and hope it'll benefit someone in this group.

- Mostly reason why I'm not going much faster on the climbing: ALL MENTAL. My strokes is perfect. My gears are perfect. It's really much more of a mental than anything else. I really thought that my strokes are not efficient. She made me push HARD to the point where I normally would have backed off...OHHH! So *that's* what "hard" feels like. I was breathing hard, my lungs were hurting...got it now. Never experienced that before, so it was nice to know that just because I see 170 bpm on my monitor, doesn't mean I need to back off. Once I really work on how hard for how long, THEN my speed will pick up. I HAVE to push myself more. All the other advice that I've been getting was being muddled in my brain. That was the biggest one.

- I have very good leg power, I just need to apply it. ;-)

- Here's a pro tip - Many Triathletes DO NOT CHANGE GEARS as often as they really should be! Even though I am using my road bike, she noticed that I really need to change my gears more often for the terrain. I told her that well, it'll ruin my chainrings or I was told to not to change it as often...hence why many advice that was given to me doesn't fit for ME.

- Funny Tidbit. There was a downhill section (which I proudly got a QOM for...unexpected!), and I pushed hard because I didn't want to "appear" weak. The coach got pretty shocked at the speed, and had to spend some time catching up to me.

All in all - I got some very good tips and training schedule to help me improve on my own, and it was totally worth it, eye opener and a peace of mind.
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kenj - 2013-05-11 6:12 AM

Morning gang! Looks like my brick will be done inside, at least the bike will.  Raining here this morning.

As far as shoes, I like the Saucony Progrid Omni's.  They are on 11 right now, I started with the 6's.  I have tried a pair of the Saucony Mirage 3's and like them.  I ran the HM in them and more than likely will run the HIM in them next weekend.  The key is to go to a store that video's your gait to make sure you get a pair that fits you. 

 

weather not cooperating here either,but I made the best of it, and it was a net gain to me. It kept the fisherfolk at home and I got a lake to myself, felt a spoiled, but very at-peace. And it lightly rained on the bike, before the real storms came in. I dont mind, unless its cold or hard rain. Shouldn't you be tapering :-) ?
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ritakandel - 2013-05-11 10:57 AM

Did one short ride alone, just to focus on my form and spinning.  I really have a lot of work to do!  It was a relatively flat course, it was only an hour ride and my pace was 13.8 mph. Two years ago, I was doing this same course at 15.8.  Both were at a z2- low z3, staying between 90 -100 rpm.  I felt better after the ride than I have recently on other rides.  I have been riding with mashers and not focused on spinning.  Do you think this is why my biking isn't improving?  Again, I know nothing about cycling (only the knowledge from the books I've read).  I am hoping that having my bike fitted properly and a minor evaluation of my pedal stroke will help me go faster.  Even on race pace, my fastest is only 16.8 mpr (very hilly course, the fastest in my AG are going 21 mpr).  I fell like I need to go back to square one with re-learning how to ride and just keep spinning.  Any thoughts or suggestions? 



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Some people do way better with a slower cadence (not really a masher, but it's just easier - I'm one of them), than someone spinning at 90-100 rpm. I learned that yesterday that you really should NOT focus on the cadence. Focus on FEEL. My HR skyrockets quite a bit if I am spinning 90-100 on flat, and I feel like my legs are just flopping around. So, I go a couple gears harder, and turn my cranks at 80-85 rpm (not working my muscles hard...keep that in mind!!), but I'm faster and my HR is much lower, and I can maintain this with no problems.

You must do what feels comfortable for YOU, not because someone says you "must be able to keep up a cadence of 90". That's totally false. If you got largish legs like I do, you'll do better at a lower cadence, but higher gear. Some people who have skinny legs, and less quads, do better at higher RPM. That's why you see many of climbers in TdF are skinny. :D Put it this way...there's a HUGE difference between someone who does sprint running and someone who does marathons. Marathon runners are normally skinnier, and they are "made" to go long. Sprinters have huge legs and huge powerful quads/calves. I'm in between, so there's a fine balance. :D

IF you haven't had your bike fit properly, get it done now. I had a fit after my frame swap, and I found out that I'm much more comfortable being in more aggressive position (my neck and shoulders were hurting me for a long time). Evaluation of pedal stroke - ptth. No, that ain't gonna make you faster IMHO.

Honestly, if you feel like you're struggling - find a loop with a couple hard hills (but short), and PUSH YOURSELF AS HARD AS YOU CAN until your lungs are hurting. It WILL hurt...it's SUPPOSED to hurt. Do a couple loops (30-40 mins to an hour tops), and do this once a week, and you'll start to see improvement in your time.

That's pretty much what I learned yesterday...getting out of my comfort zone and not be a stickler for numbers (my HR numbers). My lungs hurt...but boy I felt great.

I will chime in what others said - Sometimes easy, sometimes hard. I was going a lot of easy, and a couple hard - but not hard enough - which is why I wasn't really progressing that much.

HUGS and hope it was some of help!
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Meulen - 2013-05-11 11:22 AM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.

Thanks Brian!  I'll try not to over think it.  I am just frustrted that I seemed to be getting slower rather than faster.  I want someone to wave the magic wand over me to get faster, but sincethat is not going to happen, I was hoping for some magic training tips.   I will research the power meter.  Bummer on the sock.  It sucks being injured!  You are probably looking for that magic wand too...  Good Luck!

Rita, as has been said, optimal is different for everyone, but I think its something you can test inside if you have a trainer axcnd a speed/cadence sensor without a powermeter. I've always meant to try this test, but haven't so take it with a grain of salt...pick an objective measure (power/speed inside) and a particular cadence to maintain for a period of time. After a rest or another day shoot for the same power/ speed using a higher/lower cadence. Which was harder by HR/RPE? Rinse and repeat. Over long distances I think its a steady effort that you can maintain that will give you a great day. But for me that means mixing it up in turns of spinning/grinding.

When I ride.on the road bike I have no power meter or cadence censor, but j notice that if I am getting dropped but pushing hard, I can usually close the gap going to a easier cog and spinning fast. So my unscientific interpretation is that I am no masher and should spin more. But everyone is different and every ride is different.

Or, forget all this and just ride more. have fun with it.



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Meulen - 2013-05-11 11:22 AM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.

Thanks Brian!  I'll try not to over think it.  I am just frustrted that I seemed to be getting slower rather than faster.  I want someone to wave the magic wand over me to get faster, but sincethat is not going to happen, I was hoping for some magic training tips.   I will research the power meter.  Bummer on the sock.  It sucks being injured!  You are probably looking for that magic wand too...  Good Luck!

Rita, do you use a HR monitor? I think DJ mentioned in her post on her coaching session something about effort on the bike. It has taken me a long time to get the mental side of riding, and I still have a ways to go. Using the trainer has been a lot of help since I can focus on the effort and there is no coasting. Riding outside sometimes my mind wanders and I let the effort slip. Riding a lot will always bear results too. Don't get discouraged!!
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CyborgQueen - 2013-05-11 4:59 PM
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kenj - 2013-05-10 2:17 AM

Do we have anyone racing this weekend? 

For me, last big brick tomorrow (embrace the brick!) before the race. 

Train well!

No race/big rides for me this weekend. However, my mom from NJ will be in town for a week. Last I saw her was at my wedding. My stepfather asked her what she wanted for Valentine's Day, and she immediately said VEGAS! The coolest thing is, they're getting free flight (frequent flier miles) and free hotel room (they always get comped...don't ask. :-D), so they're basically here for free, and I get a cleaner house to boot. LOL! I just have a couple rides this weekend, including a coaching session. Since I'm paying for it, I truly hope that I get a LOT out of it. This is the first time that I've been coached for cycling, so I could really use some pointers on how to be a much more efficient rider, faster, and better climber. It's different than being actually coached vs. hearing from your cycling friends because of all the advice they give me.

Let us know how you make out with the coaching.  I enjoy hearing how these things work out as I always learn something from everyones experiences.

Enjoy your visit with your Mom!

Here's SOME takeaways, and hope it'll benefit someone in this group. - Mostly reason why I'm not going much faster on the climbing: ALL MENTAL. My strokes is perfect. My gears are perfect. It's really much more of a mental than anything else. I really thought that my strokes are not efficient. She made me push HARD to the point where I normally would have backed off...OHHH! So *that's* what "hard" feels like. I was breathing hard, my lungs were hurting...got it now. Never experienced that before, so it was nice to know that just because I see 170 bpm on my monitor, doesn't mean I need to back off. Once I really work on how hard for how long, THEN my speed will pick up. I HAVE to push myself more. All the other advice that I've been getting was being muddled in my brain. That was the biggest one. - I have very good leg power, I just need to apply it. ;-)- Here's a pro tip - Many Triathletes DO NOT CHANGE GEARS as often as they really should be! Even though I am using my road bike, she noticed that I really need to change my gears more often for the terrain. I told her that well, it'll ruin my chainrings or I was told to not to change it as often...hence why many advice that was given to me doesn't fit for ME.- Funny Tidbit. There was a downhill section (which I proudly got a QOM for...unexpected!), and I pushed hard because I didn't want to "appear" weak. The coach got pretty shocked at the speed, and had to spend some time catching up to me.All in all - I got some very good tips and training schedule to help me improve on my own, and it was totally worth it, eye opener and a peace of mind.
I will plead guilty to the not shifting enough, which is odd on my tri bike since my hands are generally on the shift levers.Nice summary DJ! Sounds like it was worthwhile for you!
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Morning gang! Looks like my brick will be done inside, at least the bike will.  Raining here this morning.

As far as shoes, I like the Saucony Progrid Omni's.  They are on 11 right now, I started with the 6's.  I have tried a pair of the Saucony Mirage 3's and like them.  I ran the HM in them and more than likely will run the HIM in them next weekend.  The key is to go to a store that video's your gait to make sure you get a pair that fits you. 

 

weather not cooperating here either,but I made the best of it, and it was a net gain to me. It kept the fisherfolk at home and I got a lake to myself, felt a spoiled, but very at-peace. And it lightly rained on the bike, before the real storms came in. I dont mind, unless its cold or hard rain. Shouldn't you be tapering :-) ?
We don't need no stinlin taper! Actually the volume did drop off last week, but I have done race rehearsal type bricks the last 3 Saturdays. Volume really drops off this coming week, after my long swim in the morning.I might have tried outside riding, I did run outside, but this close to a race I didn't want to take a chance on wet roads.
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Please be safe out there. Today two of my friends crashed. One crashed when she was riding over a groove and overcorrected. She may have a torn shoulder ligament, other than that, just a battered body. She'll be fine. Her bike is fine.

The other was hit by a car in the parking lot. Her bike is "not good" according to my first friend. I'm not sure if that means her bike is destroyed, or what. She just got a brand new carbon Jamis bike (she's the infamous GatorDeb in the threads...trust me, she NEVER listens to my advice, but I just cheer her on. LOL). She has her first Ironman in 6 weeks. I was told by the first woman that Deb is off running for a few weeks. Can still swim. I'm not too sure how bad the injuries are, but apparently it's nothing too severe (nothing broken, or gashes as far as I know) as she can drive home, so I don't know.

BOTH of these women do not know each other, until they met in the same ER today. Somehow they brought up my name, and boom, a common thread. Kind of ironic.

So - be safe and be careful out there.


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ritakandel - 2013-05-11 10:57 AM

Did one short ride alone, just to focus on my form and spinning.  I really have a lot of work to do!  It was a relatively flat course, it was only an hour ride and my pace was 13.8 mph. Two years ago, I was doing this same course at 15.8.  Both were at a z2- low z3, staying between 90 -100 rpm.  I felt better after the ride than I have recently on other rides.  I have been riding with mashers and not focused on spinning.  Do you think this is why my biking isn't improving?  Again, I know nothing about cycling (only the knowledge from the books I've read).  I am hoping that having my bike fitted properly and a minor evaluation of my pedal stroke will help me go faster.  Even on race pace, my fastest is only 16.8 mpr (very hilly course, the fastest in my AG are going 21 mpr).  I fell like I need to go back to square one with re-learning how to ride and just keep spinning.  Any thoughts or suggestions? 

No. Some people do way better with a slower cadence (not really a masher, but it's just easier - I'm one of them), than someone spinning at 90-100 rpm. I learned that yesterday that you really should NOT focus on the cadence. Focus on FEEL. My HR skyrockets quite a bit if I am spinning 90-100 on flat, and I feel like my legs are just flopping around. So, I go a couple gears harder, and turn my cranks at 80-85 rpm (not working my muscles hard...keep that in mind!!), but I'm faster and my HR is much lower, and I can maintain this with no problems. You must do what feels comfortable for YOU, not because someone says you "must be able to keep up a cadence of 90". That's totally false. If you got largish legs like I do, you'll do better at a lower cadence, but higher gear. Some people who have skinny legs, and less quads, do better at higher RPM. That's why you see many of climbers in TdF are skinny. :D Put it this way...there's a HUGE difference between someone who does sprint running and someone who does marathons. Marathon runners are normally skinnier, and they are "made" to go long. Sprinters have huge legs and huge powerful quads/calves. I'm in between, so there's a fine balance. :D IF you haven't had your bike fit properly, get it done now. I had a fit after my frame swap, and I found out that I'm much more comfortable being in more aggressive position (my neck and shoulders were hurting me for a long time). Evaluation of pedal stroke - ptth. No, that ain't gonna make you faster IMHO. Honestly, if you feel like you're struggling - find a loop with a couple hard hills (but short), and PUSH YOURSELF AS HARD AS YOU CAN until your lungs are hurting. It WILL hurt...it's SUPPOSED to hurt. Do a couple loops (30-40 mins to an hour tops), and do this once a week, and you'll start to see improvement in your time. That's pretty much what I learned yesterday...getting out of my comfort zone and not be a stickler for numbers (my HR numbers). My lungs hurt...but boy I felt great. I will chime in what others said - Sometimes easy, sometimes hard. I was going a lot of easy, and a couple hard - but not hard enough - which is why I wasn't really progressing that much. HUGS and hope it was some of help! DJ

 

Thanks DJ - great advice!



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Meulen - 2013-05-11 11:22 AM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.

Thanks Brian!  I'll try not to over think it.  I am just frustrted that I seemed to be getting slower rather than faster.  I want someone to wave the magic wand over me to get faster, but sincethat is not going to happen, I was hoping for some magic training tips.   I will research the power meter.  Bummer on the sock.  It sucks being injured!  You are probably looking for that magic wand too...  Good Luck!

Rita, as has been said, optimal is different for everyone, but I think its something you can test inside if you have a trainer axcnd a speed/cadence sensor without a powermeter. I've always meant to try this test, but haven't so take it with a grain of salt...pick an objective measure (power/speed inside) and a particular cadence to maintain for a period of time. After a rest or another day shoot for the same power/ speed using a higher/lower cadence. Which was harder by HR/RPE? Rinse and repeat. Over long distances I think its a steady effort that you can maintain that will give you a great day. But for me that means mixing it up in turns of spinning/grinding.

When I ride.on the road bike I have no power meter or cadence censor, but j notice that if I am getting dropped but pushing hard, I can usually close the gap going to a easier cog and spinning fast. So my unscientific interpretation is that I am no masher and should spin more. But everyone is different and every ride is different.

Or, forget all this and just ride more. have fun with it.

LOL! I will have fun with it.  I have a cadence censor on my road bike and I guess I just need to find out what works best for me.  At least now I feel more motivated to ride.  Thanks Bill and Everyone!

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CyborgQueen - 2013-05-11 4:27 PM Please be safe out there. Today two of my friends crashed. One crashed when she was riding over a groove and overcorrected. She may have a torn shoulder ligament, other than that, just a battered body. She'll be fine. Her bike is fine. The other was hit by a car in the parking lot. Her bike is "not good" according to my first friend. I'm not sure if that means her bike is destroyed, or what. She just got a brand new carbon Jamis bike (she's the infamous GatorDeb in the threads...trust me, she NEVER listens to my advice, but I just cheer her on. LOL). She has her first Ironman in 6 weeks. I was told by the first woman that Deb is off running for a few weeks. Can still swim. I'm not too sure how bad the injuries are, but apparently it's nothing too severe (nothing broken, or gashes as far as I know) as she can drive home, so I don't know. BOTH of these women do not know each other, until they met in the same ER today. Somehow they brought up my name, and boom, a common thread. Kind of ironic. So - be safe and be careful out there.

 

Total Bummer - glad they are both OK.

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Meulen - 2013-05-11 11:22 AM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

Rita. I personally think you're kinda over thinking the bike thing. You'll see some slight benefits to focussing on pedal stroke but I would dedicate too much time to it. Just focus on riding longer and harder. There's something to the family's quote around here "ride often, sometimes easy, but mostly hard. If you really want to improve get a power meter and a trainer or use similar plans made for power meters modified for HR. Those will make sure your doing what your supposed to be doing to improve and you'll know it if your faking it. It's hard to tell sometimes with RPE.

Thanks Brian!  I'll try not to over think it.  I am just frustrted that I seemed to be getting slower rather than faster.  I want someone to wave the magic wand over me to get faster, but sincethat is not going to happen, I was hoping for some magic training tips.   I will research the power meter.  Bummer on the sock.  It sucks being injured!  You are probably looking for that magic wand too...  Good Luck!

Rita, do you use a HR monitor? I think DJ mentioned in her post on her coaching session something about effort on the bike. It has taken me a long time to get the mental side of riding, and I still have a ways to go. Using the trainer has been a lot of help since I can focus on the effort and there is no coasting. Riding outside sometimes my mind wanders and I let the effort slip. Riding a lot will always bear results too. Don't get discouraged!!

I do use a HR monitor.  My cardio is good, my muscular endurance isn't as strong.  I am encouraged and re-newed for cycling.  Thanks to all of you!  I haven't wanted to ride because my results have been so discouraging.  Thanks for the up-lift!

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Meulen - 2013-05-11 2:22 PM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?

 

 

700 warmup

10x200 w/ 30" rest descending pace 1-5 and 6-10

2x50 easy

2x500 (1x pull, 1x swim)

200 cooldown

 

 

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