Gun Advocates, What Say You?? (Page 11)

another take on the aussie solution

http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/

On black Friday alone there were over 150,000 background checks done on new purchases.  The most recent estimates I have heard say there may be OVER 400,000,000 guns in households in the U.S.

How do you propose we enforce a "ban"?

I guess we go house to house and search them?   I'm not.

EDIT - oops, the Black Friday number is actually over 185,000.....ONE DAY

http://www.theonion.com/article/nation-try-channeling-outrage-over-gun-control-iss-51192

A friend of mine shared the same article on Facebook.  I thought this was the most interesting thing in it:

No matter where someone stands on gun control, I think this rings true.  I'm not afraid of the criminals with guns.  I'm afraid of the nut jobs.  I believe with all my heart that a mentally healthy and well adjusted person never even considers picking up a weapon and killing unarmed and innocent people.

Everyone realizes that the article is satirical, right?  Uncle Rick Ridgeway is not really a local cop.

I believe with all my heart that I'll never be shot by anyone who doesn't have a gun.

The "mental health" argument, against tighter gun control laws, is a weak attempt at a distraction from real, tangible, executable, fixes.

I can't say I agree, Don.  I certainly understand the sentiment, but I have no fear of being the victim of a mass shooting.......it's many times more likely to be struck by lightning.  On the other hand, especially in certain neighborhoods, the chance of being a victim of gun violence, or robbed by a person with a gun, etc......are probably quite bit better than that lightning strike.

Forget the idea of taking guns from people.......just forget it.  With 400,000,000 and growing it absolutely cannot be done.  It's apples and oranges compared to the guns taken by the Australian govt.

This is now a matter of identifying and locking up people who will use a gun to commit a crime......for a very long time.  You may actually make a dent that way.

The majority of criminals aren't necessarily interested in killing me, but I will say that the majority of killings are conducted by criminals.  The number of straight up nut jobs that go shoot up a place is so astronomically low that statistically it's insignificant.  I recall seeing an FBI report (or somebody looking at their data) a while back that listed mass shooting deaths as 1 tenth of 1 percent of all gun deaths.

Even the mentally ill argument can be used in all kinds of different ways.  I think most of us can agree that anyone who is willing to take another human life with a gun or any other means is mentally ill to some extent.  However, we tend to think of the isolated loner type mentally ill that go and shoot up a mall or school when we say "mentally ill".  Yet again, the number of isolated loners who decide to go kill somebody is astronomically rare in comparison to the overall number of firearm homicides.  So, even if we come up with a grand solution that catches 100% of isolated loners and 100% of mass shooters we've curbed a fraction of a percent of the gun murders.

I'm not clear on what you're proposing.  It sounds like you'd lock up people for what they might do, but I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

No, I'm advocating locking people up who use guns,........because they are the same people who keep using them.  I'm advocating, as always, shedding prison space by releasing ALL non-violent offenders and back-filling those cells with people who use a gun to commit a crime.....and make the prison sentence EXTREMELY harsh.   

This is actually an easy thing to do.  We don't need new laws, we don't need any new infrastructure, we don't even have to hire anyone else. 

The FUGGING PROBLEM IS PEOPLE, NOT GUNS!!!

I wasn't familiar with that and I'll read it ......but I deal with it every day.  The OVERWHELMING majority of people we deal with who commit gun crimes have priors.  Hell, some are out on pre-trial release from another gun case.  It's madness.

Look, it will require mandatory sentencing.....and that has a bad connotation because of the unfairness in which it was applied to drug laws (powder vs. crack cocaine for example).  BUT, a gun crime is not a drug crime.  Shooting someone or robbing someone is the same no matter what color you are or where you live. 

And just in case anyone wants to keep advocating what Australia did as a possible solution to this country's gun woes.......in June of this year, ONE MONTH..... 1.53 million background checks were done for gun purchases (you can buy as many as you want on one check).....that's more guns purchased in one month then were confiscated in all of Australia during their gun reform.  We are WAAAAAAY past reigning in ownership.

My plan does not discriminate.  I don't care who you are, where you are from, what color you are, how much money you have.  If you commit a crime with a gun (and of course are found guilty) you go to prison. Call them terrorists, call them thugs, call them loners, or call them figure skaters....I don't care.  No plea bargain, no reduction of sentence, no compromise.  We must restore law and order in our society when it comes to using a gun.  What we are doing now is insanity.

Tonight the talking heads and our politicians will go on and on about gun control, and solve absolutely NOTHING......while any sane, rational person knows damn well that you don't control 400,000,000 guns.  We let the horse out of the barn.....and then burned the barn down.  You have to rebuild the barn before you can think about getting the horse back into it.

I get what you're saying, but the one difference between the Islamic Terrorists is that they are rational people who are religious warriors (jihadis) on a mission from God to kill all infidels.  Sure, you can say religion is a mental illness but they truly believe this garbage.

Murder has been a part of the Christian Church for a long long time.  Crusades, inquisition, all other types of holy wars and excuses to kill.

The hypocrisy is rich on the part of american christians.   at some point, in every religion, men (and women) have found an excuse to use it to hurt people.  the sooner you admit that, the sooner we can figure out a way to stop the crazies with the help of the muslims who don't want to kill everyone (most of them)

I consider gun violence in this country and "terrorist attacks" that manifest as mass shootings to be two different issues.  I think these mass shootings tend to get us off the track.......in fact, they cause even more people to run out and buy guns out of irrational fear. 

I have been a part of one of the mass shootings that are recorded in the statistics.....it was NOT a terrorist attack.  It was a disgruntled citizen who had a beef with City Hall.  It's not the same.

I have no problem lumping abortion clinic killings and any event done for political or religious reasons to be called a "terrorist attack"......but as I said before, they are such a small and insignificant part of this problem that we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture.

As for the radicalization of some people in the Muslim faith.....that's a job for world govts. and their armies.  There can be no doubt that war has been declared on the world by groups such as ISIS.....fight them as the enemy of those govts.  Domestic gun violence is a different animal.

lol, Murder has never been a part of the Christianity.  Just because somebody says they kill for christianity doesn't make it "part of the church".
I think you need to go back and read what the Crusades really were.  It wasn't until recently that liberals started using it as a hypocrisy flag, and it makes you look silly.  The first "crusade" was a war to defend western countries against Islamic aggression.
http://www.strangenotions.com/the-crusdades-urban-legends-and-truth/

Sure, there were atrocities, but we're talking about a war that was conducted hundreds of years ago.  Find me any war that atrocities weren't committed. 

Christianity in no way shape or form condones violence of any kind, it is truly a religion of peace and there are zero Chrsitian leaders that I'm aware of who are teaching their congregations to go out and kill non believers.  Even the Westboro Baptists who are by far the most vile delusional form of "Christianity" I'm aware of do it through demonstrations.  So, if some whack job goes out and shoots up an abortion clinic because "God told him to" it is him being a whack job and has nothing to do with Christianity.

With Islam there are thousands of mosks all over the world that DO teach their followers to kill infidels at every moment they get.  They encourage them from a young age to become martyrs with promises of 72 virgins and all that nonsense.  This IS part of their religion and the people who are following through with it are different than somebody who says "god told me to kill".  I just saw an article last night where they had a group of 8-10 year old boys who they were teaching military tactics to and had them each execute an infidel (for real) at the end of the training.

There is a lot of effort by Liberals to defend islam as a religion of peace and harmony, but that's not what the Quran says.  Most of today's Muslims do exercise a personal choice to interpret the quran's call to arms according to their own moral compass about justifiable violence, but that doesn't mean it's not in there.  In other words, they choose to not partake in the killing as prescribed in the quran.  That's drastically different than somebody who chooses to partake in killing that's not prescribed in the Bible.

I saw that.  I think there was a similar story out in California recently too.

Seems to be more of a hoarder issue than anything, but I agree...  yowzer.