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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I say....25,000 yards of swimming for May for a swim challenge Anyone want to see my 25,000 and raise it? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dharris13 - 2010-04-27 11:08 PM and josh...u might need to work on your hydration... It looks worse than it is - I adjusted the white balance on the photo to make it stand out more, which darkened the ink as well ![]() Notice the snow is not really truly white. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm also fine with multiple challenges, but I'd like to propose one -- How many 140.6 triathlons do you complete in May. No subbing extra bike miles for missing run miles or anything. It works like this: - swim mileage divided by 2.4 miles - bike mileage divided by 112 - run mileage divided by 26.2 Whatever number is the smallest, that is your score for the challenge. My goal is to break 6. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-28 10:39 AM I say....25,000 yards of swimming for May for a swim challenge Anyone want to see my 25,000 and raise it? Well, currently Masters has me doing about 4,000 meters 3x a week...so... I've got just over 40,000 yards this month. And I'm a rock! Just now getting into the long bikes, so the bike mileage will start to increase in the coming weeks. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2010-04-28 12:34 PM WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-28 10:39 AM I say....25,000 yards of swimming for May for a swim challenge Anyone want to see my 25,000 and raise it? Well, currently Masters has me doing about 4,000 meters 3x a week...so... I've got just over 40,000 yards this month. And I'm a rock! Just now getting into the long bikes, so the bike mileage will start to increase in the coming weeks. Ah, see...here I was trying to be fair, but it's a challenge and therefore doesn't have to be fair!! IHmm... one 4.000yd swim x 1 and 2 x 2,000 ydswim x 4 weeks = 32,000... If we say 40,000 yards it's not much of a challenge for the Pool Boy (Fred). What to do! What to do?! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2010-04-28 10:49 AM I'm also fine with multiple challenges, but I'd like to propose one -- How many 140.6 triathlons do you complete in May. No subbing extra bike miles for missing run miles or anything. It works like this: - swim mileage divided by 2.4 miles - bike mileage divided by 112 - run mileage divided by 26.2 Whatever number is the smallest, that is your score for the challenge. My goal is to break 6. The swim and bike portions of your challenge are definately in my wheelhouse. The run is too significant a step up for me and would risk injury. Maybe June would match the run better for me. I am only running about 23 mile weeks right now. Will step that to about 30 in May and then see from there. |
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![]() PennState - 2010-04-27 2:47 PM All right, what's the consensus on the May challenges? Hours, miles, yards? As said, we can have multiple challenges in the same months. Just curious to see what people want? Btw, and just for the Record |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So I have a question regarding race morning nutrition. I recently received the EN Four Keys to Long Course Tri's dvd at a tri expo. In the video they talk about waking up at 2am to consume around 400 liquid calories. They suggested using Naked Juice to take in the calories. I am curious to know how many of you out there actually wake up in the middle of the night to take in calories before an IM? If so, what is your drink of choice? Is there a particular amount of calories, carbs and protein you are trying to get in before going back to bed? Also, when waking up how many calories do you try to take in with breakfast? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() i wake up and take in my race nutrition before every long ride. for rides that start at 7:00 AM, I wake up at 4:00 and eat around 700 calories, back to bed, than go ride this saturday I need to leave really early, like 4 or 5, so I will wake up at 1-2, eat, than go back to bed. i eat around 750 calories, and I have tried two things: 1) 2 bottles of ensure, 500 cals, power bar, 250 cals, banana, 80 cals, coffee) 2) bagel, 250 cals, protein drink, 120 cals, banana, 80, power bar, 250, apple sauce, 50cals, coffee) #2 works best....ensure gives me too much "morning movement" if you know what I mean. so yeah, I would take in your race nutrition before every long ride, and yes, I would eat it 3 hours before. in terms of what to take, try lots of things, and use what works for you......than use it before every long ride, which for me is 4+ hours |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I also do my pre-race nutrition before long rides but only to a point. I'll have a Cliff Bar and coffee about an hour before I leave. On an IM race morning, I have that early when I wake up and then another about an hour before the race and a gel right before the swim. I do not get up and eat in the middle of the night and to be honest, never thought that was a good idea. Sleep if you can. That's a lot of chow, Mike! Especially before a 4 hour ride. If it works great, but I don't know if that kind of calories cramming is for everyone. Edited by bryancd 2010-04-28 7:04 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() one cliff bar for a long ride? I can see how 750 sounds high, but 200-250 in a cliff bar sounds really low. though, your results speak for themselve, so clearly it works! my stomach would be grumbling an hour in for something solid......which I really dont like to eat during long rides. i bring 1 power bar with me and maybe a banana...otherwise its gels and gatorade only..... 750 is not a high amount based on what ive read.....gordo suggests 1000-1500 3 hours prior. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cusetri - 2010-04-28 6:33 PM one cliff bar for a long ride? I can see how 750 sounds high, but 200-250 in a cliff bar sounds really low. though, your results speak for themselve, so clearly it works! my stomach would be grumbling an hour in for something solid......which I really dont like to eat during long rides. i bring 1 power bar with me and maybe a banana...otherwise its gels and gatorade only..... 750 is not a high amount based on what ive read.....gordo suggests 1000-1500 3 hours prior. No, I take more for the ride, I am only talking about the pre-ride stuff. 700 calories before a 4 hour ride is a lot. Before an IM, it's ok. Again, I think it's often too MANY calories consumed that screws up peoples races more than too few. In fact I would wager it's like 80% have GI distress from excess calories and fluids they consume out of unfounded paranoia about bonking. I said in Fred's Mentor thread, you can rally and recover from a bonk in an IM, if your GI shuts down because you are jamming too much food and water in you, your day is going to SUCK. Maybe now would be a good time to talk about nutrition again. I am always so alarmed by the articles I read from nutrition companies which scare people into bad nutrition race plans.. Edited by bryancd 2010-04-28 8:08 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree....nutrition is a great topic! here is a good read: http://www.endurancecorner.com/library/nutrition/race_nutrition |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah, I'm out on that. 1000-1500 race morning calories is WAY too many. Do you really believe you can increase the amount of calories in the form of fat and glycogen your body can hold on race morning? Or should you simply top off those stores leaving your GI ready to accept more after the swim? Your choice. ..and Gordo is hardly a nutrition expert. Edited by bryancd 2010-04-28 9:57 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, now I finally feel like a "real" cyclist: I've finally had enough time in the saddle to get a saddle sore. Kind of like a painful little peanut under the skin. I'm thinking those of you who succeeded in last month's 600-mile Bike Challenge might have some advice. What do you do to treat these? Thank you! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bryancd - 2010-04-28 9:48 PM Yeah, I'm out on that. 1000-1500 race morning calories is WAY too many. Do you really believe you can increase the amount of calories in the form of fat and glycogen your body can hold on race morning? Or should you simply top off those stores leaving your GI ready to accept more after the swim? Your choice. ..and Gordo is hardly a nutrition expert. I'm not in that camp either. It's my opinion that many (most?) of the athletes that read advice like that, try to do that all the time, instead of on race day. Thus, they end up decreasing their metabolic efficiency ( ability to utilize fat for higher percentage of energy supply ). Your body has ~80,000 calories stored as fat. Increase your ability to utilize fat for fuel, and you need to consume fewer carbs while racing ( needing fewer calories coming in to sustain race pace has obvious benefits ). How to improve ME is whole longer thread, but it's a concept that I've come agree with, having shut myself down hard more than once trying to chase massive qtys of carbs/calories and loading up with gels / drinks during training. If you want to read more, Bob Seebohar has a book that's a good introduction "Metabolic Efficiency Training".
Oh, and I'm at 635 miles on the bike this month, with one more ride to do this afternoon! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I can't speak about prep for an IM, but for my HIM my quality of sleep was waaaay more important to me. I've definitely heard of people getting up in the middle of the night to take in calories to increase their glycogen stores, but I honestly don't think it's necessary (but, I'd love to hear a veterans side of this). Nutrition, to me anyhow, needs to be an ongoing process like any other training. I don't see how an extra 200 calories in the middle of the night is going to help someone the day of the race... mean, we all probably burn those calories just getting ourselves SET UP for race day between all the walking around before the cannon goes off! Mcluvin22 - 2010-04-28 7:35 PM So I have a question regarding race morning nutrition. I recently received the EN Four Keys to Long Course Tri's dvd at a tri expo. In the video they talk about waking up at 2am to consume around 400 liquid calories. They suggested using Naked Juice to take in the calories. I am curious to know how many of you out there actually wake up in the middle of the night to take in calories before an IM? If so, what is your drink of choice? Is there a particular amount of calories, carbs and protein you are trying to get in before going back to bed? Also, when waking up how many calories do you try to take in with breakfast? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hopefully this doesn't come off as an attack because it honestly truly is not, I'm just trying to understand...but how do you go back to sleep after eating all that? I'm a terrible sleeper. If I wake up once in the middle of the night my 8 hours of sleep feels more like 5 or 6. So, I can't imagine trying to go back to sleep (which would take me 30-45 minutes) feeling full. Or, you don't get full? I think there maybe an advantage to getting up and going back to sleep...if someone gets REALLY nervous before races (I used to) and can't physically get down a bagel with pb and a banana and a gatorade (like I try to) maybe they'd be less nervous in the night and would have something to stave off hunger later in the day? But, I think I'd rather eat within 3 hours of the start of the race rather than try to eat in the night and again in the morning. cusetri - 2010-04-28 7:48 PM i wake up and take in my race nutrition before every long ride. for rides that start at 7:00 AM, I wake up at 4:00 and eat around 700 calories, back to bed, than go ride this saturday I need to leave really early, like 4 or 5, so I will wake up at 1-2, eat, than go back to bed. i eat around 750 calories, and I have tried two things: 1) 2 bottles of ensure, 500 cals, power bar, 250 cals, banana, 80 cals, coffee) 2) bagel, 250 cals, protein drink, 120 cals, banana, 80, power bar, 250, apple sauce, 50cals, coffee) #2 works best....ensure gives me too much "morning movement" if you know what I mean. so yeah, I would take in your race nutrition before every long ride, and yes, I would eat it 3 hours before. in terms of what to take, try lots of things, and use what works for you......than use it before every long ride, which for me is 4+ hours |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-29 10:45 AM Hopefully this doesn't come off as an attack because it honestly truly is not, I'm just trying to understand...but how do you go back to sleep after eating all that? I'm a terrible sleeper. If I wake up once in the middle of the night my 8 hours of sleep feels more like 5 or 6. So, I can't imagine trying to go back to sleep (which would take me 30-45 minutes) feeling full. Or, you don't get full? I think there maybe an advantage to getting up and going back to sleep...if someone gets REALLY nervous before races (I used to) and can't physically get down a bagel with pb and a banana and a gatorade (like I try to) maybe they'd be less nervous in the night and would have something to stave off hunger later in the day? But, I think I'd rather eat within 3 hours of the start of the race rather than try to eat in the night and again in the morning. cusetri - 2010-04-28 7:48 PM i wake up and take in my race nutrition before every long ride. for rides that start at 7:00 AM, I wake up at 4:00 and eat around 700 calories, back to bed, than go ride this saturday I need to leave really early, like 4 or 5, so I will wake up at 1-2, eat, than go back to bed. i eat around 750 calories, and I have tried two things: 1) 2 bottles of ensure, 500 cals, power bar, 250 cals, banana, 80 cals, coffee) 2) bagel, 250 cals, protein drink, 120 cals, banana, 80, power bar, 250, apple sauce, 50cals, coffee) #2 works best....ensure gives me too much "morning movement" if you know what I mean. so yeah, I would take in your race nutrition before every long ride, and yes, I would eat it 3 hours before. in terms of what to take, try lots of things, and use what works for you......than use it before every long ride, which for me is 4+ hours please witty! ask away! sorry in advance for this being so long....it's just how I feel! So I just do what she says, ask questions later. Typically, though, the questions are not needed, because the finish line answers them all. Sure, one day the finish line will tell me we should have done something else, it has in the past, in will in the future. I'm not going to stop doing what works, and start doing what works for others, because I fear failing on what we believe in. If my nutrition fails me because I ate too much, NO BIG DEAL!! I learn by failing. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cusetri - 2010-04-29 11:25 AM Sure, its an IM, and I've never done one. But my coach has. KQ'd more than anyone I know. has done more IMs than anyone I know. Done them in heat, done them in cold. Done them on hills, done them on flats. DNF'd. She knows what its like to fail and to succeed. I'd rather go to battle with a general who has had to retreat a few times than one who has only seen victory. Interesting point! Sometimes it IS nice to know what absolutely doesn't work for someone so that others can learn from their mistakes. I've tried to base my nutrition information off of Monique Ryan: http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Nutrition-Endurance-Athletes-Monique/dp/1931382964/ref=dp_ob_title_bk However, when I tried to carb load like she suggested I felt sooo uncomfortable the day before the race. I shaved off some of the carbs since then and I'm doing just fine before/during races. I think I had more tension/anxiety from calculating calories and grams than I had about the race... once again K.I.S.S. wins! It's certainly interesting who hands out nutrition info. =) I have a MS in nutrition and I STILL don't feel I know enough about it to give advice! (But, that doesn't always stop me from doing it!) ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok, I'm just getting back here.. I was curious if anyone is going to head out there in late May to do a ride? I'm going to do the full 2 loops if I can find a weekend, possibly the 21st ish. I'm not great at riding with a group and might just go plug along alone to get the feel of race day, but I'm not sure. I did the ride once last year, but want to know I CAN do the full 2 loops. So, anyone gonna be there? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, last bike ride of the month is done. 620.53 miles for the month of April. |
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