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MDHillSlug - 2009-04-08 7:48 PM I finally got the video from my swimming clinic (had to bug the guy about it). I'm getting it uploaded as my profile video. I'll let you know when it's ready for viewing.  OK, it's up. Notice how you see my upper arm enter the water before any other part of my arm; I'm working on knifing in from the fingertips. I also notice that my pull goes out to the side. He told me that my pull should be deeper but I didn't realize what I was really doing. The last thing we talked about is how I had next to no glide (I see that my left arm stays out a little better than the right); I've been working on more of a catch up stroke with the arm staying out front longer. It appears to be working because I counted strokes today and I'm down by 4-5 strokes per 25m!

Go to my Profile and it's right there for viewing.

It is always so cool to see people's videos as it allows you the opportunity to 'study' stroke and hopefully learn. As evidenced by my swim....I am definitely not the best one to give advice LOL....but DH was looking over my shoulder as I watched your video and made the following comments:
- left arm in particular seemed really wide and thus impedes glide, also the pull seemed to be more of an outward sweep as opposed to the preferred 'S'
- looks like she has a really strong catch but may be torquing her shoulders as she seems to be working really hard
- much more glide needed- think 'stretch and reach'
Hope that makes sense...and might be of some help to you.


I'll add: think 'reach over the barrel' to help keep your elbows up. That's not my visual, it's from another thread, but it works! It's really hard work, though, so take it slowly to protect your shoulders.

Good work!
Trish


2009-04-10 5:51 PM
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Hey all! Going back to the recovery nutrition topic, the following article was in my master's swim club newsletter this month:

Post-Swim Refueling
Proper post-swim nutrition is essential for optimum recovery and muscle building. In her book entitled Eat Smart, Play Hard, UC Davis Director of Sports Nutrition Liz Applegate gives straightforward advice on proper nutrition after exercise. Don’t worry- eating properly will not counteract the calories you just burned; in fact, it will help you burn more calories because you will be maintaining your metabolism. And you’ll maintain ideal energy levels and perform better during your workout the next day. In the first half hour after your workout, Applegate recommends eating 100-400 calories in carbohydrates to restore glycogen levels (glycogen is the form of energy used by your muscles). In addition, carbohydrate- rich foods such as fruits will help reduce muscle soreness. If the idea of eating right after swimming makes you feel nauseous, you can have something easy to digest such as orange juice, milk, or even chocolate milk. Then, make sure you have your regularly scheduled meal (breakfast, lunch, or dinner) after your workout. You should have at least 400 calories. The meal should include a combination of carbohydrates and protein to further replenish glycogen stores. The protein is also essential to repair muscle damage. Meal examples can include:

• tuna sandwich with veggies
• bean burrito with salsa
• lowfat yogurt with blueberries and wheat crackers

Last, but not least, be sure to drink lots of water after your swim to rehydrate and remove waste products.
With proper nutrition, you’ll be able to swim DAM FAST and DAM FAR!

(DAM stands for Davis Aquatic Masters, btw)

Happy fueling!
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2009-04-10 8:10 PM
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NoSit - 2009-04-10 4:51 PM Hey all! Going back to the recovery nutrition topic, the following article was in my master's swim club newsletter this month: Post-Swim Refueling Proper post-swim nutrition is essential for optimum recovery and muscle building. In her book entitled Eat Smart, Play Hard, UC Davis Director of Sports Nutrition Liz Applegate gives straightforward advice on proper nutrition after exercise. Don’t worry- eating properly will not counteract the calories you just burned; in fact, it will help you burn more calories because you will be maintaining your metabolism. And you’ll maintain ideal energy levels and perform better during your workout the next day. In the first half hour after your workout, Applegate recommends eating 100-400 calories in carbohydrates to restore glycogen levels (glycogen is the form of energy used by your muscles). In addition, carbohydrate- rich foods such as fruits will help reduce muscle soreness. If the idea of eating right after swimming makes you feel nauseous, you can have something easy to digest such as orange juice, milk, or even chocolate milk. Then, make sure you have your regularly scheduled meal (breakfast, lunch, or dinner) after your workout. You should have at least 400 calories. The meal should include a combination of carbohydrates and protein to further replenish glycogen stores. The protein is also essential to repair muscle damage. Meal examples can include: • tuna sandwich with veggies • bean burrito with salsa • lowfat yogurt with blueberries and wheat crackers Last, but not least, be sure to drink lots of water after your swim to rehydrate and remove waste products. With proper nutrition, you’ll be able to swim DAM FAST and DAM FAR! (DAM stands for Davis Aquatic Masters, btw) Happy fueling! Trish


Thanks for that, Trish! Though somehow the sandwich and burrito sound a lot more filling as meals than yogurt with crackers. I would be eating A LOT of yogurt to fill myself up!
2009-04-10 8:12 PM
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Just got a quick "Hello!" to pass on from our fearless leader, Julie, and she said that she will be aiming to log on a bit later. She seems to be having some quality family time!

 

2009-04-10 8:18 PM
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After getting off the phone with my sister (in DC) she said that our dear state-side friends don't have Good Friday off as a stat holiday as we do in Canada?! What?!!! I was very sorry to hear that.

We were finally blessed with some great temps to go with our gorgeous sunshine and it seemed like everyone was outside taking advantage. DH and I went for our first longish ride of the season and it felt fantastic! A few windy sections but I felt pretty great all in all and it gives me some good feedback about the training that I have been doing. I was surprised about my caloric burn...over 1800 calories in about 3h! There is no way that I took in enough food or water. I will definitely need to work on that one!

Hope everyone else had a fantastic day!

2009-04-10 9:19 PM
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Sledge - 2009-04-10 8:55 AM
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Woo hoo!  First of all, you were there so obviously the fast runners showed up (4th isn't anything to sneeze at).  And I'm surprised that they grouped 50-59 and not 50-54 and 55-59 -- do you know how you would have done in a smaller age group?

Is a "sanctioned" race and a "certified" course the same thing?  It's my understanding (from Torture Dan) that a certified course must be at least the distance published or longer.  And another thought -- GPS isn't always exact, and if you ran some tangents you can also cut off some distance.  But still, nearly .2 of a mile is a lot!


I guess I used the incorrect terminology - looked at the site and it was a "certified" course.  The race wasn't very big, about 400, so I guess that's why the wider age groupings. There were only 2 that would have been in the 55-59 age group. Everyone in front of me would have been 50-54.  Good luck on your race tomorrow.  Did you decide on the 5K or 10K?


2009-04-10 9:51 PM
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Offthegrid - 2009-04-09 10:05 PM Ho hum day today. I *finally* slept an entire night last night (stayed up until 11:30 to try to beat the insomnia), and then I slept in. So haven't been swimming too much this week, but what can you do? I used to use my cell phone as my alarm, so I'm always afraid I'm not going to wake up now. Hopefully I'll start sleeping better and sounder as time goes on. (My ex-roomie said I was crying in my sleep.) I *hope* to get in at least two bike rides this weekend. But the weather isn't supposed to be too hot.

Alarm clocks don't cost much.


I'm a little psycho about it. I have to TRUST my alarm clock/phone, especially when I have to go in to work early. Every time something important is up at work where I have to go in early, I have nightmares about oversleeping. Yes, psychotic or something. I trusted my old cell phone. Stupid $#$#! for demanding it. I should have kept it. I don't trust my alarm clock, because inexplicably it doesn't go off.

Actually I want to look into getting a vibrating watch alarm, so that when the third person moves in, I won't wake them up at 5 a.m. ...
2009-04-10 9:56 PM
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Went on a bike ride today - the sun even came up for a while. I had forgotten my sunglasses. I'm getting a bit more confident on the bike, but I'm still not the greatest shifter. I lose a lot of power by shifting at the wrong time and/or to the wrong gear.

Then I went to see "Knowing." It was HORRIBLE! Ugh, what a waste of time/money. Oh, well!
2009-04-11 6:53 AM
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Happy Saturday everyone!  I'm heading out for my 5K now, and have my bike on the back of my car for a ride afterwards.  I'll check back in later.  Have a great day!!!
2009-04-11 8:36 AM
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Just a fly by to check on my wonderful mentor group Mom is not feeling so well, having a lot of nasea, but hope today is better.
I'm hoping to do a long walk/jog today since the sun is out..and then go to wally world, and then go and see Mom.
Thanks for all the well wishes and inspires....much appreciated! I'm still feeling well...so no worries there
Have a great day everyone!!!!!!! Have a wonderful Easter Sunday tomorrow.
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2009-04-11 9:38 AM
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run_yc_run - 2009-04-10 9:18 PM

After getting off the phone with my sister (in DC) she said that our dear state-side friends don't have Good Friday off as a stat holiday as we do in Canada?! What?!!! I was very sorry to hear that.

We were finally blessed with some great temps to go with our gorgeous sunshine and it seemed like everyone was outside taking advantage. DH and I went for our first longish ride of the season and it felt fantastic! A few windy sections but I felt pretty great all in all and it gives me some good feedback about the training that I have been doing. I was surprised about my caloric burn...over 1800 calories in about 3h! There is no way that I took in enough food or water. I will definitely need to work on that one!

Hope everyone else had a fantastic day!



I was lucky to have Friday off, but none of my previous jobs gave me Fridays off. Actually, since I used to be in the newspaper biz, I rarely got holidays off (not even when they're on weekends), so this is like a luxury.


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Sledge - 2009-04-11 7:53 AM

Happy Saturday everyone!  I'm heading out for my 5K now, and have my bike on the back of my car for a ride afterwards.  I'll check back in later.  Have a great day!!!


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2009-04-11 9:41 AM
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Went swimming with the master's again this week, but it felt a lot harder than last week. Not sure if that's because I only did one other swim this week, or if I'm a little fatigued from the bike ride yesterday. The other two women in my lane were both wearing fins. *sigh* If they would have swam without fins, I might have been able to keep up better. But maybe they were tired, too.

My fins gave me a blister on my big toe.

I haven't really lost any weight this week, so I'm going to have to be especially careful tomorrow to hopefully see a loss on Wednesday's WW weigh-in.
2009-04-11 9:42 AM
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Nicole, how do you do those open turns so fast?
2009-04-11 10:31 AM
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Offthegrid - 2009-04-11 10:42 AM Nicole, how do you do those open turns so fast?


Check out the videos here on Open Turns. There are 4 videos that teach you in a stepwise way. I don't think I'm doing them completely right and would love to see a video from above water to see what's going on there. But since turns don't have a place in OWS I don't spend much time on it.
2009-04-11 11:26 AM
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OH MY GOD !!! I had no internet yesterday !!!! and when I did it was so sporadic !!
I"m so glad to be back wtih you all !!
I have not caught up yet though, I'm jsut back from a walk for babies (march of dimes), and a bake sale with my sorority...........

I'll check in later my loves !
Amy, I do hope your mom feels good today !!!!!


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Hey sisters(and bros) this little penguin needs your wonderfull imput:

 yesterday's 7 miler run interval training was a deceiving 3 miler insted. I can't stick to the runner's world plan and I am bummed on the verge of panic mode. How can i change the plan so i can manage the distance without injury? Obviously speed or the impact of going too fast is damaging my legs. Can I do biking? and if so,how much? Can I convert the total running time into bike time or do i have to double that if i bike?


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chipit muffin - 2009-04-11 1:25 PM Hey sisters(and bros) this little penguin needs your wonderfull imput:

 yesterday's 7 miler run interval training was a deceiving 3 miler insted. I can't stick to the runner's world plan and I am bummed on the verge of panic mode. How can i change the plan so i can manage the distance without injury? Obviously speed or the impact of going too fast is damaging my legs. Can I do biking? and if so,how much? Can I convert the total running time into bike time or do i have to double that if i bike?


HELP!

OK, take a deep breath and let it out. Ahhh...

What goals are you working towards right now and how long do you have to get there?
2009-04-11 2:26 PM
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Hi everyone!  I'm back from my race and my bike ride.  I'm sure this is going to sound like I'm whining, so please excuse me.  First, I am happy about the race.  I ended up with the Grandmasters trophy!  But it was definitely not my best race (14 seconds slower than last year and 41 seconds slower than the year before).  I think all of this traveling has gotten to me.  I'm not going to beat myself up about it, but I had an expectation that I just wasn't able to meet today.  I've been trying to keep a level of fitness while I'm on the road, but obviously that just didn't happen.  But fortunately, I just have one more week of traveling and then I'm home until after my HIM.

I did got for a bike ride after the race.  It's a beautiful day here, although it's windy.  It's nice to see the sun shining and have the opportunity to get outside instead of plodding away in stuffy gyms or hotel fitness rooms.  Life is good!

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Sledge - 2009-04-11 1:26 PM

Hi everyone!  I'm back from my race and my bike ride.  I'm sure this is going to sound like I'm whining, so please excuse me.  First, I am happy about the race.  I ended up with the Grandmasters trophy!  But it was definitely not my best race (14 seconds slower than last year and 41 seconds slower than the year before).  I think all of this traveling has gotten to me.  I'm not going to beat myself up about it, but I had an expectation that I just wasn't able to meet today.  I've been trying to keep a level of fitness while I'm on the road, but obviously that just didn't happen.  But fortunately, I just have one more week of traveling and then I'm home until after my HIM.

I did got for a bike ride after the race.  It's a beautiful day here, although it's windy.  It's nice to see the sun shining and have the opportunity to get outside instead of plodding away in stuffy gyms or hotel fitness rooms.  Life is good!


YAYYYYY! Congratulations, Cheri! You brought home some hardwear! No doubt the travel did impact your performance but all things considered, you must be thrilled!

Glad that you got out on your bike too! Wind is never fun but certainly builds strength and you never know what race day will throw at you so it's good to know that you are ready for the wind! Enjoy the sunshine, Sunshine!
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chipit muffin - 2009-04-11 1:25 PM Hey sisters(and bros) this little penguin needs your wonderfull imput:

 yesterday's 7 miler run interval training was a deceiving 3 miler insted. I can't stick to the runner's world plan and I am bummed on the verge of panic mode. How can i change the plan so i can manage the distance without injury? Obviously speed or the impact of going too fast is damaging my legs. Can I do biking? and if so,how much? Can I convert the total running time into bike time or do i have to double that if i bike?


HELP!

OK, take a deep breath and let it out. Ahhh...

What goals are you working towards right now and how long do you have to get there?

Do not panic! Follow Nicole's advice and keep breathing.

The race is still 6 weeks away. Due to your injuries, it might be best to reevaluate your goals for the race so that you don't risk more injury and can actually enjoy the day. It is nice to know that there will not be time pressures as the course is walker-friendly and will be open for 7hr to accomodate the marathoners as well.

You can definitely use biking/elliptical trainer/water running as great cross-training as they will all help build endurance. Still try to build slowly on the road though, so that your joints get used to being on the road. My suggestion would be to consider how you might gradually increase the time that you are out- it doesn't all have to be running- in fact I would encourage a strong power walk- and build up to about 2:45 or 18K. If you increase your long walk/run by about 20 minutes each weekend, you should get there. Build for 3 weeks and then drop back. Do also incorporate a 2-3 walk/runs during the week as well.   

Most importantly though, listen to your body. If it is injured, it is best not to push it...there will be another race and you don't want to lose the rest of the season.

Hope that gives you some ideas! Good luck, little penguin!


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Sledge - 2009-04-11 3:26 PM

Hi everyone!  I'm back from my race and my bike ride.  I'm sure this is going to sound like I'm whining, so please excuse me.  First, I am happy about the race.  I ended up with the Grandmasters trophy!  But it was definitely not my best race (14 seconds slower than last year and 41 seconds slower than the year before).  I think all of this traveling has gotten to me.  I'm not going to beat myself up about it, but I had an expectation that I just wasn't able to meet today.  I've been trying to keep a level of fitness while I'm on the road, but obviously that just didn't happen.  But fortunately, I just have one more week of traveling and then I'm home until after my HIM.

I did got for a bike ride after the race.  It's a beautiful day here, although it's windy.  It's nice to see the sun shining and have the opportunity to get outside instead of plodding away in stuffy gyms or hotel fitness rooms.  Life is good!



Wow Cheri, you got bling!!! and doing so while juggling planes...those must be heavy Tongue out
congrats!!!

Nicole and Yvonne:Thanks,I needed the advice wich is all good. I'll keep the planned long run in at a shin-respectfull pace and will bike (wich i love) when the legs tell me pounding them is not a good idea (usually on the tempo and interval trainings). I will respect the time of the run training and intensity i have to do but will do it on the bike. I will also add a swim with the tri gang so i can get motivation and support. That will  make me do about 2 runs  adding 1-2 bikes and a swim. How's that?...calming down now...


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chipit muffin - 2009-04-11 1:25 PM Hey sisters(and bros) this little penguin needs your wonderfull imput:

 yesterday's 7 miler run interval training was a deceiving 3 miler insted. I can't stick to the runner's world plan and I am bummed on the verge of panic mode. How can i change the plan so i can manage the distance without injury? Obviously speed or the impact of going too fast is damaging my legs. Can I do biking? and if so,how much? Can I convert the total running time into bike time or do i have to double that if i bike?


HELP!

OK, take a deep breath and let it out. Ahhh...

What goals are you working towards right now and how long do you have to get there?

Do not panic! Follow Nicole's advice and keep breathing.

The race is still 6 weeks away. Due to your injuries, it might be best to reevaluate your goals for the race so that you don't risk more injury and can actually enjoy the day. It is nice to know that there will not be time pressures as the course is walker-friendly and will be open for 7hr to accomodate the marathoners as well.

You can definitely use biking/elliptical trainer/water running as great cross-training as they will all help build endurance. Still try to build slowly on the road though, so that your joints get used to being on the road. My suggestion would be to consider how you might gradually increase the time that you are out- it doesn't all have to be running- in fact I would encourage a strong power walk- and build up to about 2:45 or 18K. If you increase your long walk/run by about 20 minutes each weekend, you should get there. Build for 3 weeks and then drop back. Do also incorporate a 2-3 walk/runs during the week as well.   

Most importantly though, listen to your body. If it is injured, it is best not to push it...there will be another race and you don't want to lose the rest of the season.

Hope that gives you some ideas! Good luck, little penguin!

Excellent advice. You've got 6 weeks to get ready for a half mary. What are your goals? Are you OK with a run/walk strategy or do you want to be running the whole thing?
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chipit muffin - 2009-04-11 12:25 PM Hey sisters(and bros) this little penguin needs your wonderfull imput:

 yesterday's 7 miler run interval training was a deceiving 3 miler insted. I can't stick to the runner's world plan and I am bummed on the verge of panic mode. How can i change the plan so i can manage the distance without injury? Obviously speed or the impact of going too fast is damaging my legs. Can I do biking? and if so,how much? Can I convert the total running time into bike time or do i have to double that if i bike?


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Isabelle, I think I said before that I used the Runner's World plan to prepare for both my halfs, and it really worked well for me (and I am NOT a runner).  I never really did the speedwork as indicated, but did do the mileage for those days. The thing that I noticed was your pace for yesterday, vs the other days, was about a minute per mile faster (I guess because you were doing the intervals). But on the days I had my longer runs, I always started off at an easier pace. Try walking the first 5 minutes to warm up. Then I would run 3 to 5 minutes, and walk 1/2 to 1 minute, depending how I felt. After about 3 miles, I would finally get into more of a groove, and it was actually easier to keep running than to walk.  Maybe you need to go back into the Runner's Coach and make some adjustments on your pace (ie: what length race you put in and your finishing time to calculate your plan). No need to panic, you still have 6 weeks to go! I'd probably be more inclined to get the mileage in walking/running, even if I had to do more walking, but you have to listen to what your body is telling you.

One more thought. I thought my legs were just supposed to hurt after my longer runs until I got new shoes. I couldn't believe the difference it made. 
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Sledge - 2009-04-11 2:26 PM

Hi everyone!  I'm back from my race and my bike ride.  I'm sure this is going to sound like I'm whining, so please excuse me.  First, I am happy about the race.  I ended up with the Grandmasters trophy!  But it was definitely not my best race (14 seconds slower than last year and 41 seconds slower than the year before).  I think all of this traveling has gotten to me.  I'm not going to beat myself up about it, but I had an expectation that I just wasn't able to meet today.  I've been trying to keep a level of fitness while I'm on the road, but obviously that just didn't happen.  But fortunately, I just have one more week of traveling and then I'm home until after my HIM.

I did got for a bike ride after the race.  It's a beautiful day here, although it's windy.  It's nice to see the sun shining and have the opportunity to get outside instead of plodding away in stuffy gyms or hotel fitness rooms.  Life is good!



WOW, the Grandmasters trophy! That's great!! I'm sure the fact that you've been traveling could affect your time, but be sure to give yourself the credit that is due! (Seems like I remember an inspiration dealing with thisWink)  You are going to be so ready for your HIM!
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