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2013-05-12 6:01 AM in reply to: #4738068 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN CyborgQueen - 2013-05-11 7:27 PM Please be safe out there. Today two of my friends crashed. One crashed when she was riding over a groove and overcorrected. She may have a torn shoulder ligament, other than that, just a battered body. She'll be fine. Her bike is fine. The other was hit by a car in the parking lot. Her bike is "not good" according to my first friend. I'm not sure if that means her bike is destroyed, or what. She just got a brand new carbon Jamis bike (she's the infamous GatorDeb in the threads...trust me, she NEVER listens to my advice, but I just cheer her on. LOL). She has her first Ironman in 6 weeks. I was told by the first woman that Deb is off running for a few weeks. Can still swim. I'm not too sure how bad the injuries are, but apparently it's nothing too severe (nothing broken, or gashes as far as I know) as she can drive home, so I don't know. BOTH of these women do not know each other, until they met in the same ER today. Somehow they brought up my name, and boom, a common thread. Kind of ironic. So - be safe and be careful out there. Best wishes to your friends DJ. The GatorDeb threads here can be interesting at times. I hope they both heal quickly! |
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2013-05-12 6:03 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Another thought for improving the bike is the strength training. If you are time challenged, riding is always a better option, especially some hill climbing. But if you have a couple of days where you can spare 30 minutes, get some function strength training in. |
2013-05-12 6:04 AM in reply to: #4738296 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Leegoocrap - 2013-05-11 11:35 PM Meulen - 2013-05-11 2:22 PM Nice swimming Chris! How did you break that up?
700 warmup 10x200 w/ 30" rest descending pace 1-5 and 6-10 2x50 easy 2x500 (1x pull, 1x swim) 200 cooldown
I might steal some of this for my swim this morning! Thanks for sharing Chris! |
2013-05-12 6:59 AM in reply to: #4738413 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN kenj - 2013-05-12 7:04 AM I might steal some of this for my swim this morning! Thanks for sharing Chris! np Try to negative the second sets from the first (and don't sandbag the first ones haha ) Those are great to get your suffer on! :D |
2013-05-12 9:04 AM in reply to: #4738443 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Leegoocrap - 2013-05-12 7:59 AM kenj - 2013-05-12 7:04 AM I might steal some of this for my swim this morning! Thanks for sharing Chris! np Try to negative the second sets from the first (and don't sandbag the first ones haha ) Those are great to get your suffer on! :D I bet that would be a tough set. I will try that after the race. |
2013-05-12 9:05 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Happy Mother's day to all the Mom's in the group!! |
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2013-05-12 10:37 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Member 258 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Uuuuugggghhhh...sick. So frustrating. I'm finishing a rest week, and it's certainly not the end of the world, but supposed to hit it hard (starting Build 2) tomorrow. With 2 toddlers and working in the ER I get exposed to a lot, but don't usually get sick for more than a day or so. On day 3 today, still feel lousy, and working all weekend, boooo! Now that my whining is out of the way, as a beginning biker I've been following this discussion with interest. Rita, the only other thing I have to throw out there is I love, love, love the sufferfest videos for biking on the trainer. Honestly, I didn't know what biking hard was until I got one of those. Still working on translating that level of effort to the road though. I find it hard to figure out if I'm really improving or not on the bike because of all the variables with hills, wind, etc. I'm not really THAT into data but I'm starting to think a power meter might be next year's triathlon purchase. Any thoughts? Jaime |
2013-05-12 10:40 AM in reply to: #4737928 |
Member 213 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN bdenehy - 2013-05-11 3:54 PM trei - 2013-05-10 10:54 AM I i get foot cramps swimming sometimes, more often when swimming too hard. For me its fitness related, not nutrition. I can stretch against a wall or throw in some breast stroke and frog-kick it out. But sometimes, once they start they keep coming back for the rest of the swim, then I just pull, or pack up and leave in a huff... always swim hydrated, also I've heard eating eating bananas helps (can't hurt)no race for me this weekend.� was hoping to get outside for a long ride for the first time this year, but the darn Wisconsin weather doesn't seem to want to cooperate (low 50s windy and rainy), so I've got yet another date with the trainer.� Does anyone else have problems with getting foot cramps?� I sometimes get them swimming (both feet) and biking (right foot only after a couple hours).� If so, any remedies? Todd For biking, I would fiddle with small adjustments in the cleat position on your right shoe. If you do this, mark the sole of the shoe with a sharpie first so you know where you started. I was getting hot spots in my left foot only till I realized the cleat was significantly more forward than the right. Thanks Bill (and the others that posted previously on this topic). I will try the suggestions and see what happens. Overall its a minor irritation compared to what Brian is going through, so can't complain much. Another cold morning run this morning with frosty eyelashes. Its May 13th for gosh sake! |
2013-05-12 3:10 PM in reply to: #4737930 |
Expert 1146 Chugiak, Alaska | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN CyborgQueen - 2013-05-11 3:59 PM kenj - 2013-05-10 11:47 AM Here's SOME takeaways, and hope it'll benefit someone in this group. - Mostly reason why I'm not going much faster on the climbing: ALL MENTAL. My strokes is perfect. My gears are perfect. It's really much more of a mental than anything else. I really thought that my strokes are not efficient. She made me push HARD to the point where I normally would have backed off...OHHH! So *that's* what "hard" feels like. I was breathing hard, my lungs were hurting...got it now. Never experienced that before, so it was nice to know that just because I see 170 bpm on my monitor, doesn't mean I need to back off. Once I really work on how hard for how long, THEN my speed will pick up. I HAVE to push myself more. All the other advice that I've been getting was being muddled in my brain. That was the biggest one. - I have very good leg power, I just need to apply it. ;-) - Here's a pro tip - Many Triathletes DO NOT CHANGE GEARS as often as they really should be! Even though I am using my road bike, she noticed that I really need to change my gears more often for the terrain. I told her that well, it'll ruin my chainrings or I was told to not to change it as often...hence why many advice that was given to me doesn't fit for ME. - Funny Tidbit. There was a downhill section (which I proudly got a QOM for...unexpected!), and I pushed hard because I didn't want to "appear" weak. The coach got pretty shocked at the speed, and had to spend some time catching up to me. All in all - I got some very good tips and training schedule to help me improve on my own, and it was totally worth it, eye opener and a peace of mind. CyborgQueen - 2013-05-10 9:31 AM kenj - 2013-05-10 2:17 AM No race/big rides for me this weekend. However, my mom from NJ will be in town for a week. Last I saw her was at my wedding. My stepfather asked her what she wanted for Valentine's Day, and she immediately said VEGAS! The coolest thing is, they're getting free flight (frequent flier miles) and free hotel room (they always get comped...don't ask. :-D), so they're basically here for free, and I get a cleaner house to boot. LOL! I just have a couple rides this weekend, including a coaching session. Since I'm paying for it, I truly hope that I get a LOT out of it. This is the first time that I've been coached for cycling, so I could really use some pointers on how to be a much more efficient rider, faster, and better climber. It's different than being actually coached vs. hearing from your cycling friends because of all the advice they give me.Do we have anyone racing this weekend? For me, last big brick tomorrow (embrace the brick!) before the race. Train well! Let us know how you make out with the coaching. I enjoy hearing how these things work out as I always learn something from everyones experiences. Enjoy your visit with your Mom! This is me! I tend to back off when the going gets hard - I definitely need to work on it. |
2013-05-12 8:49 PM in reply to: #4738613 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN trei - 2013-05-12 8:40 AM bdenehy - 2013-05-11 3:54 PM Another cold morning run this morning with frosty eyelashes. Its May 13th for gosh sake! Come to Vegas. It hit 102 today...My mom and stepdad was in town and I took them out to see the Neon Boneyard (HIGHLY RECOMMEND!!), and sort of forgotten how they're used to NJ colder weather. Last couple weeks, it was getting "warmer", but still very nice at 80s to 90s. It just started to hit pretty high today. :-( Why the sad face? Because that means I have to get up at 4am for a ride... so quit 'plaining. :D |
2013-05-12 9:06 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Jamie - here's MY thoughts on Powermeters. It only works if you *effectively* (that's a keyword!) USE it 100% of the time, and the benefits overrides the cost of them, otherwise it's just a "want" thing. In my case, a power meter is useless because of my rides. I would say about 99% of my rides this year (aside from trainer) was in a group ride or with a riding partner. How can I really effectively train by power if I have a group/another person to contend with? Sometimes my riding partner just want to push it hard or just go moderate. Sometimes I hang with C groups and other times B groups. The only really effective time for me is trainer workouts (which I can "somewhat" get power using Trainerroad). So I cannot really find the justice of making a purchase of a powermeter when I could save that money to buy a nice carbon bike. :D Now, I'm not trying to knock Powermeters, and I know it can be real powerful tool to use for training, but again, it's only effective tool if you truly know how to train with it. PS - You said you're a beginner cyclist. A Powermeter isn't going to make you faster or better cyclist. You gotta get out there and ride, ride, ride. Once you get very comfortable with riding, and hitting the higher numbers in speed, then you can consider getting a Powermeter as it will get you to become more effective at pacing yourself for racing. Edited by CyborgQueen 2013-05-12 9:11 PM |
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2013-05-12 9:44 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Look at it this way DJ. If you're out with friends and have to put ou bigger numbers to keep up and you succeed...you have a ne max to work off of. If you didn't put out enough power because your friends were slower than you.....you need new friends! Lol J/K! You use that ride as a recovery ride or work something else out around it. When I ride with slower friends I don't drive to the location. I ride my bike and get in the tempo ride I need both there and back and then just relax and have fun on my ride with friends. Either way my powermeter tells me exactly what I need to know to make the rides work in my plan. |
2013-05-12 9:45 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN After a few posts of my cycling advices are "pretty good"...I can have some WTH days, and even now, hours later, I'm still laughing about it. Today was Cake Ride with my cycling group. Told myself to just do a LSD ride, no hammering it. I was riding just fine for a while until we got to the road that takes us out to Red Rock Canyon area. All of sudden I felt like my legs were completely trashed, I'm not pedaling as smoothly, and it was actually pretty difficult to ride. I was mumbling to myself that perhaps my body is finally telling me "ENOUGH!!" after a couple hard rides. I normally go 14-15mph for a good pace, and 12-14 for recovery pace on a steady gradual climb on this part. I was going 10mph...yeah, that slow. I looked at my HR and saw it was hitting the upper Zones. I didn't get it. I tried riding slower, but it only decreased my HR a little bit, and I still felt like my legs weren't turning the cranks as well. Crap! So I told my friend that I'm turning around at the Overlook, as it seems like my body is revolting. He understood (he's a CAT2 racer, and was concerned with my HR and asked if I was feeling sick/dizzy or anything else that's showing signs of overtraining...I wasn't. It just felt like my legs decided to revolt). Got to the Overlook feeling defeated and disappointed because I've put on 100+ miles in a week many times before. As I was holding my bike, I could feel that something wasn't right with how I moved it. Spun the back wheel, no problems. Spun the front...it wouldn't budge. Oops. The brakes was really rubbing against the rims, thus giving me pretty much a hard resistance. The calipers were kind of loosey, and I think when I rode over some jarring areas and it must have moved, so I pretty much was riding with high resistance. Lesson learned! I was able to get the calipers tightened. Good thing I had this done before doing my MS150 ride this weekend! On the plus side, my legs is happy to hear that they're getting a 3 day of full rest, with an C ride on Thursday to help prepare for the long weekend. :D Happy Mother's Day to everyone!! |
2013-05-12 9:50 PM in reply to: #4739117 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Meulen - 2013-05-12 7:44 PM Look at it this way DJ. If you're out with friends and have to put ou bigger numbers to keep up and you succeed...you have a ne max to work off of. If you didn't put out enough power because your friends were slower than you.....you need new friends! Lol J/K! You use that ride as a recovery ride or work something else out around it. When I ride with slower friends I don't drive to the location. I ride my bike and get in the tempo ride I need both there and back and then just relax and have fun on my ride with friends. Either way my powermeter tells me exactly what I need to know to make the rides work in my plan. Ha! Not often, but quite a few friends that I ride with are faster than me, so I chase them when I can. Sometimes they just want to go slower, other times they are fine with hammering it. Same with me, sometimes I just want to go slow and enjoy the social pace, other times I want to push hard. My point is in MY case, a PM is not a effective tool. I've had a couple friends buy a PM, and they don't train by it. They just use it to "see what power I'm putting out. That's all." I wish it was that easy for me to ride to and from...however, the rides I go to is usually on the other side of town, and it would take me 10-15 miles through lots of lights/traffic to get there, not exactly an effective way to train with power. *winks*, THEN I have to do 35-50 miles. I would be doing 70-90 miles every ride, and I don't think that's a smart way to train. :-D Edited by CyborgQueen 2013-05-12 9:56 PM |
2013-05-12 10:27 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Expert 943 Highlands Ranch, CO | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Hello All, I hope everyone had a great weekend. Carla and I along with another friend did a very challenging ride today (especially for early season riding). I tried out my new cassette (11-28). It is great! I really appreciated the 28 on some of the climbs. 73 miles completed today. Elevation gain of 3836 ft. (Elevation.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Elevation.JPG (29KB - 8 downloads) |
2013-05-12 10:30 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Expert 943 Highlands Ranch, CO | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Hey Ken and Robin, Make sure you two take some pics while in Florida. I know it is a week away but best of luck! We will be cheering your on! |
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2013-05-12 10:43 PM in reply to: #4723784 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN DJ. I'm just saying, but that's exactly how my coach has me train. He has me do at least one 70-90 mile ride every week! I find a route that has the least resistance to lights and traffic to get there and get the interval time my coach wats me to get in. If you're doing long rides and just cycling that's what's going to make you fast. I'm just saying what you think may not be ideal can still be made to work and rather effectively at that. That said PM's are expensive and there are other ways to do it. It's perfectly reasonable to set other priorities. But a PM is just about always one of the most valuable training tools in a cyclists bag! |
2013-05-13 3:58 AM in reply to: #4739119 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN CyborgQueen - 2013-05-12 10:45 PM After a few posts of my cycling advices are "pretty good"...I can have some WTH days, and even now, hours later, I'm still laughing about it. Today was Cake Ride with my cycling group. Told myself to just do a LSD ride, no hammering it. I was riding just fine for a while until we got to the road that takes us out to Red Rock Canyon area. All of sudden I felt like my legs were completely trashed, I'm not pedaling as smoothly, and it was actually pretty difficult to ride. I was mumbling to myself that perhaps my body is finally telling me "ENOUGH!!" after a couple hard rides. I normally go 14-15mph for a good pace, and 12-14 for recovery pace on a steady gradual climb on this part. I was going 10mph...yeah, that slow. I looked at my HR and saw it was hitting the upper Zones. I didn't get it. I tried riding slower, but it only decreased my HR a little bit, and I still felt like my legs weren't turning the cranks as well. Crap! So I told my friend that I'm turning around at the Overlook, as it seems like my body is revolting. He understood (he's a CAT2 racer, and was concerned with my HR and asked if I was feeling sick/dizzy or anything else that's showing signs of overtraining...I wasn't. It just felt like my legs decided to revolt). Got to the Overlook feeling defeated and disappointed because I've put on 100+ miles in a week many times before. As I was holding my bike, I could feel that something wasn't right with how I moved it. Spun the back wheel, no problems. Spun the front...it wouldn't budge. Oops. The brakes was really rubbing against the rims, thus giving me pretty much a hard resistance. The calipers were kind of loosey, and I think when I rode over some jarring areas and it must have moved, so I pretty much was riding with high resistance. Lesson learned! I was able to get the calipers tightened. Good thing I had this done before doing my MS150 ride this weekend! On the plus side, my legs is happy to hear that they're getting a 3 day of full rest, with an C ride on Thursday to help prepare for the long weekend. :D Happy Mother's Day to everyone!! I guess we all have had those moments DJ!! At least I know I have!! At least you know now that your legs are just fine!! Enjoy your rest days! |
2013-05-13 3:59 AM in reply to: #4739151 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Kath2163 - 2013-05-12 11:27 PM Hello All, I hope everyone had a great weekend. Carla and I along with another friend did a very challenging ride today (especially for early season riding). I tried out my new cassette (11-28). It is great! I really appreciated the 28 on some of the climbs. 73 miles completed today. Elevation gain of 3836 ft. Wow!! Nice ride Kathleen and Carla!! |
2013-05-13 4:00 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Happy Monday!! |
2013-05-13 8:05 AM in reply to: #4739151 |
New user 160 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Kath2163 - 2013-05-12 11:27 PM Hello All, I hope everyone had a great weekend. Carla and I along with another friend did a very challenging ride today (especially for early season riding). I tried out my new cassette (11-28). It is great! I really appreciated the 28 on some of the climbs. 73 miles completed today. Elevation gain of 3836 ft. Nice ride, Kathleen! I did 70 on Saturday and though there were some rollers, nothing in Florida can compare to that. Well done! |
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2013-05-13 8:15 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
New user 160 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Happy Monday, everyone! I had a mixed weekend that started bad and ended well. Saturday morning I had a 4 hour ride scheduled, and my wonderful husband planned out a route that would get us close to 4 hours. Normally I love riding my bike, and the weather was beautiful Saturday morning, but for some reason I hated every second of my ride. I don't know what it was, because I had a really great week of training, I skipped my Friday evening run because we were doing yard work, so my legs felt fine Saturday morning. But for some reason my neck and shoulders hurt the whole time (probably from yard work), I felt depleted of energy, and I just could not force myself to enjoy the ride. Halfway through I had to stop for 5 minutes to mentally compose myself, which I normally don't have to do. But I got it done and followed it with a 30 minute run. The run was okay, I've never run off a 4 hour bike before, and it was HOT, which is good training for Louisville. Also, we made it just over 70 miles and that's the longest I've ever gone on my tri bike. So even though I wasn't feeling right, I was happy to get it done. Then yesterday I had a really great sprint tri. I felt like my swim was slow, but I went all out and knew I did the best I could on the swim (1/4 mile). The bike was 16 miles and I decided the hammer as hard as I could--and though I know I gave it my all, I felt like I should have been able to go faster (I assume the long bike the day before did fatigue my legs a bit). Then I felt pretty good on the run, and again left it all out there, I had nothing left. Big bridge at the very beginning and end of the bike and run, but otherwise flat course. Finished first in my age group! (Passed a woman at the top of the bridge to take 1st, as she was in my age group.) And I was only 58 seconds behind 3rd place overall. My husband jokes (sort of) that I could have found 58 seconds somewhere, but my transitions were excellent and I know I gave it all I had, so I have no regrets. And a lot of people from my triathlon club participated or volunteered, so it was a great festive event. And finally, this morning at masters swim I had a swimming breakthrough! I focused on getting my elbows higher out of the water and was able to really feel the difference in my stroke. I finished the workout with my fastest ever 100 splits--2 of them at 1:33--that's a big deal for me! I was going all-out, but I definitely can feel how the slight change in my recovery stroke angle helped. Hooray! It's going to be a great week... |
2013-05-13 8:42 AM in reply to: #4739151 |
Regular 301 Denver | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Kath2163 - 2013-05-12 10:27 PM Hello All, I hope everyone had a great weekend. Carla and I along with another friend did a very challenging ride today (especially for early season riding). I tried out my new cassette (11-28). It is great! I really appreciated the 28 on some of the climbs. 73 miles completed today. Elevation gain of 3836 ft. Ren' - You KILLED that course!!! That extra tooth worked wonders for you... unfortunately I needed a few more "Teeth"!!!!! Here are my comments on the ride (See Image)
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2013-05-13 8:54 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Member 18 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Well, despite some uncooperative weather out here, I managed to get a decent weekend of training in. Saturday morning I ended up running a 5k with a bunch of people from the office. It was kind of on a whim, and given that i had done an 11 mile run the day before, and then spend the night at a brewfest with friends, it was by no means fast. But it was nice to get out and do some type of a race, especially since there were probably 30 or so people from my company there. That afternoon I put about 2k at the pool, seeing as it was pouring outside. Sunday I did my first 50 miler of the season, or at least my first one outdoors. It felt pretty good, but definitely reminded me that I still have a good bit of work to do. Hills are definitely my weakness, but one that I am definitely working on. This next week is going to be an interesting one. I'm backpacking on the AT this weekend with my scouts, so fitting all my training in is going to be a challenge. |
2013-05-13 9:37 AM in reply to: #4723784 |
Member 258 | Subject: RE: kenj triathletes in training - IM and HIM focused - OPEN Thank you DJ and Meulen for sharing your thoughts on power meters. I train mostly by myself (I work a lot of nights and weekends, so group rides are difficult) and I feel so blind on the bike. On the run, I know my HR and my paces and I'm hitting them or I'm not. I'm quite accurate at guessing my zone/pace even before I glance at the garmin. On the bike, there are so many variables. I am really struggling with pacing in training and in races. For indoor riding I have found Trainer Road and Sufferfest to be super helpful--I had no idea I could work so hard on the bike. Still having trouble translating that level of work to the road, though. Which leads to my follow up question (can you tell I am still sick, and now have time to obsess about training minutiae?) How do you pace your Oly bike leg? Which zone are you trying to stay in? How does that compare to how you pace your HIM bike leg? Finally, DJ I had to laugh at your post. Can't tell you how many times I've pulled over, certain my tire was flat because I was feeling so crappy and suddenly not keeping up, and there was nothing wrong with my bike at all. Working on nutrition has been helping a bit with this issue! CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR HOW EVERYTHING GOES IN FLORIDA!!!! Jaime |
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