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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gopennstate - 2010-05-05 9:38 AM ![]() i cannot believe you posted that top pic, josh!! I figured if it was on a fishing website for public consumption, then I wasn't invading anyone's privacy if I just slid it on over here. PS - who's that hottie on the far left? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm assuming ALL of those big fish were either a) caught in Mirror Lake so that won't swim up and bite my toes during the swim or b) caught somewhere else merely to show us an example of what's NOT in Mirror Lake! I'm having enough trouble getting over the fact that they have alligators up there! ![]() Edited by WittyCityGirl 2010-05-05 9:00 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I desperately need new wheels (training, not racing.. all set with those) for my P2. As DC can attest, the wheels Cervelo puts stock on this bike are a disgrace and after riding on the Zipps and even my marginally better training wheels on my road bike I can't take another mile on that garbage. Any recommendations for a good wheelset in the $400-$500 range? That's about all I'm willing to spend at this point. Thanks for your help! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LM: Look at Mavic wheels..they have lots of wheelsets for $250-550 that are nice training wheels. I have same training wheels on all three of my bikes. You may want to change your brakes on your Cervelo as well. I've heard they put wholesale $4 a pair brakes on their P2 and P3s. T-shirts: The BTer that had the IMFL shirts made up last two years is doing IMFL. You may want to search the IMFL thread and contact him. The shirts are multiple colors and wicking Zorel shirts that are nice and reasonable cost. They offered both kids and adult shirts and cotton or wicking. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There had to be a setback, right? Things were going to smoothly....I was covering 20 miles on my long runs and on Sunday went to 21 in newer shoes I thought were sufficiently broken in. They weren't. I got horrible pain at mile 20 and had to walk the last mile home. Pried off the shoes and the little toes on both feet were swollen like sausages. On Monday I almost called in sick to work because I was having trouble walking. Drained blisters on both and now my nail on the left foot is cracked down the middle and killing me. Missed last night's run workout (obviously) and cannot envision speed work this week much less another 20+ long run in five days. Any remedies for dealing with problematic nails? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy - 2010-05-05 1:17 PM There had to be a setback, right? Things were going to smoothly....I was covering 20 miles on my long runs and on Sunday went to 21 in newer shoes I thought were sufficiently broken in. They weren't. I got horrible pain at mile 20 and had to walk the last mile home. Pried off the shoes and the little toes on both feet were swollen like sausages. On Monday I almost called in sick to work because I was having trouble walking. Drained blisters on both and now my nail on the left foot is cracked down the middle and killing me. Missed last night's run workout (obviously) and cannot envision speed work this week much less another 20+ long run in five days. Any remedies for dealing with problematic nails? dont do 20+ mile training runs for an IM. this is just *my suggestion* *IMO* the pain in your foot has less to do with broken in shoes and more to do with a long run that most likely took you more than 2.5 hours to complete. IM marathon is more about durablility and a properly paced bike, which is built up thorugh consistent training. When you beat yourself up like this, you cannot do any more long runs for a while. IMO, your better off hitting 2-2.5 hours of long runs regardless of distance week in and week out combined with a ton of bike milage, than doing 20 mile runs that take you close to and beyond 3 hours for IM training. Save the 20 mile long runs for marathon training.... just my 2 cents |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm not your coach and haven't seen your plan so can't say with certainty, but my "gut" is similar to the above - your weekly 20 mile runs are ill advised for IM training. That said, I've been criticized (and defended by some respected coaches) in this thread for running quite a bit during my IM prep (150-175 miles a month). However, I have not run once over 15 miles this year... which means my runs are frequent/repeatable, don't take too much to recover from, and allow sufficient time and freshness to still get my bike/swim training in. Can you tell us more about your plan, your rationale for having those long runs, how much you are running/biking/swimming in total, etc? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bummer, greyguy. I have heard of people taking old shoes and cutting out the area over the sore nail. No pressure on the nail= pain free running. I woke up with fever, headache, body aches, so today is a day off training for me too. DRAG. I would much rather be swimming, biking, or running, than lying around feeling like cr*p! |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2010-05-05 12:47 PM I'm not your coach and haven't seen your plan so can't say with certainty, but my "gut" is similar to the above - your weekly 20 mile runs are ill advised for IM training. That said, I've been criticized (and defended by some respected coaches) in this thread for running quite a bit during my IM prep (150-175 miles a month). However, I have not run once over 15 miles this year... which means my runs are frequent/repeatable, don't take too much to recover from, and allow sufficient time and freshness to still get my bike/swim training in. Can you tell us more about your plan, your rationale for having those long runs, how much you are running/biking/swimming in total, etc? Well I've been worked up to long run of around 20 miles. Long bike is 70 miles this week and long swim is 4,000 yards. I workout 6 days a week and the other days are intervals with two 1/2 hour weight training sessions thrown in. This week I am at 16 hours total. The reason I mentioned the shoes is because I ran 20 miles two weeks ago and 17 the week before that with the usual discomfort but nothing like what happened Sunday. The question then is whether my feet are balking at consistently being pushed this far and/or I screwed up by going long in shoes that were too new. I really understand and appreciate the comments, though, about not running more than 2-2.5 hours. I have read that in several places and will discuss with my coach. On the one hand it is great that I can cover that distance the day after riding 70 miles...but on the other hand I was wrecked by the finish and my training this week is now shot to heck....time to make some adjustments I think. |
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![]() LazyMarathoner - 2010-05-05 10:22 AM I desperately need new wheels (training, not racing.. all set with those) for my P2. As DC can attest, the wheels Cervelo puts stock on this bike are a disgrace and after riding on the Zipps and even my marginally better training wheels on my road bike I can't take another mile on that garbage. Any recommendations for a good wheelset in the $400-$500 range? That's about all I'm willing to spend at this point. Thanks for your help! LM, Easton Aero EA90's are AWESOME!! You can buy them on ebay for 500 bucks or less brand new. Just type into the search "Easton EA90 Aero". They are a ridiculously light 1500 grams, they are bombproof, and the R4 hubs spin like a dream. I've also read lots of other very positive reviews about these rims, and my tri shop Bike Wrench said they are a phenomenal wheel. The ONLY downside that I know of is the spokes are custome, sapim shaped that have to be ordered from Easton direct. So when I broke a spoke after 3,000 miles (which is freak) it took 2 weeks for my bike shop to get the spoke from Eaton. Other than that, they are the fastest, lightest, most bombproof training wheel for the buck. I even use them for short races like Olympics. They will feel like Cadillac Wheels compared to the Shimano wheels Cervelo puts on stock.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm so happy to hear that 20-milers are ill-advised for IM training! That tidbit made my day. 2 1/2 hours of running, cool. What distance are you all doing for your long bike rides right now? I have a 60-miler planned for Saturday, according to my training plan, and want to know if it's on target. When do you all start doing centuries? Since I'm sick today and taking an unplanned day off, I'm freaking out about not being ready/not doing enough. Because you know if you miss ONE day of training, you start worrying that it will wreck your entire fitness for the race... ![]() |
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![]() cusetri - 2010-05-05 1:34 PM greyguy - 2010-05-05 1:17 PM There had to be a setback, right? Things were going to smoothly....I was covering 20 miles on my long runs and on Sunday went to 21 in newer shoes I thought were sufficiently broken in. They weren't. I got horrible pain at mile 20 and had to walk the last mile home. Pried off the shoes and the little toes on both feet were swollen like sausages. On Monday I almost called in sick to work because I was having trouble walking. Drained blisters on both and now my nail on the left foot is cracked down the middle and killing me. Missed last night's run workout (obviously) and cannot envision speed work this week much less another 20+ long run in five days. Any remedies for dealing with problematic nails? dont do 20+ mile training runs for an IM. this is just *my suggestion* *IMO* the pain in your foot has less to do with broken in shoes and more to do with a long run that most likely took you more than 2.5 hours to complete. IM marathon is more about durablility and a properly paced bike, which is built up thorugh consistent training. When you beat yourself up like this, you cannot do any more long runs for a while. IMO, your better off hitting 2-2.5 hours of long runs regardless of distance week in and week out combined with a ton of bike milage, than doing 20 mile runs that take you close to and beyond 3 hours for IM training. Save the 20 mile long runs for marathon training.... just my 2 cents X 2. Andy Potts never ran over 13 miles till he did his first Ironman. As is explained in the book "Going Long" the Ironman Marathon is all about Muscular Endurance. The way to attain Muscular Endurance is with lots of Transition Runs off the Bike (Bricks), hill repeats, and focus on Efficiency and Form while running. Personally I run 20-milers because I enjoy them. Running is my first Love. But now that we are two months and a Taper out from LP, I'm capping all my Runs at around 2 - 2.5 hours the very most. Nothing over 15 miles probably for me. The extra time is better spent on the Bike. Ironman training is all about training the Bike so that come Race Day, when you get off the bike, your legs are as fresh as possible. The way I look at it is: What's the difference in an Ironman between a 7:00 pace Marathon and an 8:00 pace Marathon? 26 minutes. Provided I'm not going for a Kona Slot (which I am not) what is 26 minutes in a 140.6 mile race for the average AG'er ... not a lot. For me, I think I'll be better served spending time on the Bike and keeping the running to consistent shorter distances. The good news is: Your injury is superficial. You didn't break anything or tear any soft tissue. I would go to the doctor and get some antibiotic creams, and just keep the area clean, wrap it every day, and spend time on the bike while it heals. I wish you a speeedy recovery. That's my wooden nickel worth of wisdom. |
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![]() KWin - 2010-05-05 2:37 PM I'm so happy to hear that 20-milers are ill-advised for IM training! That tidbit made my day. 2 1/2 hours of running, cool. What distance are you all doing for your long bike rides right now? I have a 60-miler planned for Saturday, according to my training plan, and want to know if it's on target. When do you all start doing centuries? Since I'm sick today and taking an unplanned day off, I'm freaking out about not being ready/not doing enough. Because you know if you miss ONE day of training, you start worrying that it will wreck your entire fitness for the race... ![]() After a few months of 40 & 50-milers, I now feel comfortable at that distance so this month I am bumping it up to 60 & 70 milers. In June I'll do a few Centuries and one 120-miler. I'm going to try and run 5k off the bike to start, and eventually 10k. Nice & EZ. It's training, no need to kill myself. I think, and have been told, with your first longer bike rides, it's not so much about distance but Time in the Saddle. Just getting your butt used to sitting on a bike seat for 3, 4, and 5 hours plus. Are you following a Plan? Just trust it and the Long Rides they have outlined. For the majority of us mortal AG'ers, again, I think we should focus a liitle more on Time in the Saddle, and perhaps during the BUILD Period in June focus a little more on distance and some intensity. |
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![]() Greyguy -- one thought I forgot about the shoes, are the new one's the same models as the old one's?? It sounds like either the width or the TOE BOX is different. Gotta make sure with the TOE BOX you have plenty of room for your piggies. Sometimes the toe box needs a good 20 or 30 miles of short runs to break in. Again, I wish you a speeedy Recovery. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks DC, good advice. My training plan seems on target then, especially if you are not doing centuries til June... thank you. Back to sleep now... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oh boy. Some well intentioned but not solid advice being thrown around here. Let's just keep it simple. Should 20+ mile runds be oart of an IM training program? The answer isn't NO!!! It's maybe. If you can absorb the volume with minimal recovery cost and the run can be completed in a duration of under say 2:30-2:45, they can ceratinly be part of the peak training weeks prior to an IM. You would at the most do this 2-3 times, that's it. If the recovery cost or duration is too long, than more frequency is better. Bricks are NOT the key to good running endurance, run freuency is. Edited by bryancd 2010-05-05 2:17 PM |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dream Chaser - 2010-05-05 1:56 PM Greyguy -- one thought I forgot about the shoes, are the new one's the same models as the old one's?? It sounds like either the width or the TOE BOX is different. Gotta make sure with the TOE BOX you have plenty of room for your piggies. Sometimes the toe box needs a good 20 or 30 miles of short runs to break in. Again, I wish you a speeedy Recovery. Same exact shoes....just new. I probably only had 15 miles or so on them before Sunday. Maybe toe box was still too stiff. Not saying it was a genius move on my part to run 21 but the shoes certainly didn't help. thanks DC |
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![]() greyguy - 2010-05-05 3:17 PM Dream Chaser - 2010-05-05 1:56 PM Same exact shoes....just new. I probably only had 15 miles or so on them before Sunday. Maybe toe box was still too stiff. Not saying it was a genius move on my part to run 21 but the shoes certainly didn't help. thanks DC Greyguy -- one thought I forgot about the shoes, are the new one's the same models as the old one's?? It sounds like either the width or the TOE BOX is different. Gotta make sure with the TOE BOX you have plenty of room for your piggies. Sometimes the toe box needs a good 20 or 30 miles of short runs to break in. Again, I wish you a speeedy Recovery. Do you use body glide or vaseline? I gob it on my toes if I'm doing any run over 10-miles. |
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![]() greyguy - 2010-05-05 3:17 PM Dream Chaser - 2010-05-05 1:56 PM Same exact shoes....just new. I probably only had 15 miles or so on them before Sunday. Maybe toe box was still too stiff. Not saying it was a genius move on my part to run 21 but the shoes certainly didn't help. thanks DC Greyguy -- one thought I forgot about the shoes, are the new one's the same models as the old one's?? It sounds like either the width or the TOE BOX is different. Gotta make sure with the TOE BOX you have plenty of room for your piggies. Sometimes the toe box needs a good 20 or 30 miles of short runs to break in. Again, I wish you a speeedy Recovery. Do you use body glide or vaseline? I gob it on my toes if I'm doing any run over 10-miles. |
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![]() bryancd - 2010-05-05 3:16 PM Oh boy. Some well intentioned but not solid advice being thrown around here. Let's just keep it simple. Should 20+ mile runds be oart of an IM training program? The answer isn't NO!!! It's maybe. If you can absorb the volume with minimal recovery cost and the run can be completed in a duration of under say 2:30-2:45, they can ceratinly be part of the peak training weeks prior to an IM. You would at the most do this 2-3 times, that's it. If the recovery cost or duration is too long, than more frequency is better. Bricks are NOT the key to good running endurance, run freuency is. Duly noted Obi Wan. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LazyMarathoner - 2010-05-05 10:22 AM I desperately need new wheels (training, not racing.. all set with those) for my P2. As DC can attest, the wheels Cervelo puts stock on this bike are a disgrace and after riding on the Zipps and even my marginally better training wheels on my road bike I can't take another mile on that garbage. Any recommendations for a good wheelset in the $400-$500 range? That's about all I'm willing to spend at this point. Thanks for your help! Wait so going back to the training wheel topic, so the wheels on my P2 are that bad? I don't have a set of nicer wheels yet so I don't really know the difference. What benefits are there in buying a better set of training wheels? I guess I always figured the heavier and less aero your training wheels the faster you will fly when you have a set of racing wheels on. |
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![]() Mcluvin22 - 2010-05-05 8:53 PM LazyMarathoner - 2010-05-05 10:22 AM I desperately need new wheels (training, not racing.. all set with those) for my P2. As DC can attest, the wheels Cervelo puts stock on this bike are a disgrace and after riding on the Zipps and even my marginally better training wheels on my road bike I can't take another mile on that garbage. Any recommendations for a good wheelset in the $400-$500 range? That's about all I'm willing to spend at this point. Thanks for your help! Wait so going back to the training wheel topic, so the wheels on my P2 are that bad? I don't have a set of nicer wheels yet so I don't really know the difference. What benefits are there in buying a better set of training wheels? I guess I always figured the heavier and less aero your training wheels the faster you will fly when you have a set of racing wheels on. It's personal preference. For me, it's about comfort. The stock Shimano WH R-500 wheels are anything but comfortable. They ride very hard, you feel every rough surface, and when I accidentally hit any divots or small pot-holes they did not handle well at all. They retail for about $159.00 bucks, which tells me they are the lowest price point wheel you can buy and you get what you pay for. 20-miles rides on them are fine, but I couldn't imagine using them for 50-milers and up. I switched to Easton EA90's and the difference was night and day. So for me, he had nothing to do with speed; it was all about smoothness and comfort. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mcluvin22 - 2010-05-05 8:53 PM LazyMarathoner - 2010-05-05 10:22 AM I desperately need new wheels (training, not racing.. all set with those) for my P2. As DC can attest, the wheels Cervelo puts stock on this bike are a disgrace and after riding on the Zipps and even my marginally better training wheels on my road bike I can't take another mile on that garbage. Any recommendations for a good wheelset in the $400-$500 range? That's about all I'm willing to spend at this point. Thanks for your help! Wait so going back to the training wheel topic, so the wheels on my P2 are that bad? I don't have a set of nicer wheels yet so I don't really know the difference. What benefits are there in buying a better set of training wheels? I guess I always figured the heavier and less aero your training wheels the faster you will fly when you have a set of racing wheels on. They are atrocious. It's more than not being aero and light, they are just cheaply made. I clearly saw a major difference when I rode on my Zipps, but I'm shocked at the difference with my road bike wheels, which are by no means anything special. I wanted to get rid of these last season and figured the same thing - I'd train heavier and feel better on race day, but they are just misery to me now and my biking is about more than just race day, I do it because I enjoy it and I don't enjoy riding these wheels! |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy - 2010-05-05 2:23 PM JoshKaptur - 2010-05-05 12:47 PM I'm not your coach and haven't seen your plan so can't say with certainty, but my "gut" is similar to the above - your weekly 20 mile runs are ill advised for IM training. Well I've been worked up to long run of around 20 miles. Long bike is 70 miles this week and long swim is 4,000 yards. I workout 6 days a week and the other days are intervals with two 1/2 hour weight training sessions thrown in. This week I am at 16 hours total. The reason I mentioned the shoes is because I ran 20 miles two weeks ago and 17 the week before that with the usual discomfort but nothing like what happened Sunday. The question then is whether my feet are balking at consistently being pushed this far and/or I screwed up by going long in shoes that were too new. I really understand and appreciate the comments, though, about not running more than 2-2.5 hours. I have read that in several places and will discuss with my coach. On the one hand it is great that I can cover that distance the day after riding 70 miles...but on the other hand I was wrecked by the finish and my training this week is now shot to heck....time to make some adjustments I think. That said, I've been criticized (and defended by some respected coaches) in this thread for running quite a bit during my IM prep (150-175 miles a month). However, I have not run once over 15 miles this year... which means my runs are frequent/repeatable, don't take too much to recover from, and allow sufficient time and freshness to still get my bike/swim training in. Can you tell us more about your plan, your rationale for having those long runs, how much you are running/biking/swimming in total, etc? I won't weigh in on whether or not you should be doing 20-mile runs in IM training, but I do want to share a note of caution on your above statement. Just because you have a training day without incident doesn't mean everything is ok. I ran 15 miles about 3 weeks before my IM last year after having some foot pain. The pain was absent on that particular run so I figured I was fine, but as it turned out my plantar fascia was torn so the next time around I wasn't so lucky. That remains the last long run I ever did and it was nearly 9 months ago. It's still early in the training and you have plenty of time to do some 20s if you prefer, but listen to your body and if your feet aren't happy now, they really won't be happy later when your volume is even higher. |
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